Sarah Palin's Daughter Pregnant

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Sloth wrote:
I addressed the “irony” of it in the first paragraph. It’s like saying, “how ironic that a chronic liar would come from a family that teaches honesty.” It happens, and noone stands around thinking “how ironic.”

Noone? A lot of people are standing around thinking just that about this case.

Because of political motivations in THIS case. Noone sits around going “huh, isn’t it ironic that Mrs. X has taught herchildren not to lie, though her daughter told a lie to a teacher the other day.” Do you really rub your hands together and go “ooooh, how ironic. Stuck up bitch, teaching honesty!”

A better example though would be that a politician pushing the death penalty for lies ends up with a chronic liar for a kid.

If people actually supported this, you’d be suprised if some of the proponents’ kids were liars? I wouldn’t, and wouldn’t find it ironic. Nor, would I find it ironic that a person who supports imprisoning theives, might end up with a thief for a son. Given enough people, and it’s bound to happen.

Sloth:
You mean, a daughter of a conservative can get pregnant, contrary to their upbringing?! Stop the presses, the leftists have just discovered something we already knew!

Lixy:
You really don’t get it, do you? The scoop here isn’t that the chick got knocked up. It’s 1) that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views 2) that her mother campaigns actively against teaching kids about contraceptions or the birds and bees.

  1. Omg, she’s stuck with a developing human in her womb, as the result of choosing to procreate! What, a ghoulish mindset you pro-choicers have.
    2)Um, I don’t want someone teaching my kids about contraception either. Who the hell do you people think you are? Our damn overlords? They’ll learn about contraception and my stance on it, from me.

The birds and the bees? Give it up. That’s basic high school A&P, not Sex Ed. Do you really think she got pregnant by saying, “Hey, what’s this orifice with hair around it, sweetheart? And, what’s that rigid limb protruding from between your legs? Shall we try to merge them together and see if we become Voltron? Ugh, what’s that fluid you left in me?!”

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This post is genius.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
They have the fiancee there just like I’d hoped. Dressed in a nice suit looking all dapper sitting next to the daughter. Sharp move.

Edit: At least I think that was him.[/quote]

I mentioned this on another thread:

(About the Daughter’s boyfriend being present)…

He looked like ‘WTF???’…and that Palin had that M-16 with the M203 Grenade Launcher pointed at his head.

I think Palin dealt with this issue by saying that she deals with the same problems as any other family.

And she moved on.

Mufasa

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[quote]doogie wrote:

lixy wrote:

  1. that she’s stuck with the pregnancy because of her family’s backwards views

doogie wrote:
Not wanting to kill her own kid is “backwards”?

makkun wrote:
Before this gets jumped on: I think lixy is not referring to abortion but her being knocked up. Hence the use of apostrophe and “s”: “she’s stuck with” rather than “she stuck with”. It also makes sense in the context of the paragraph.

Makkun

I think the apostrophe and “s” are for “she has” stuck with it, not “she is” stuck with it. She isn’t stuck with the kid because of her family’s views.[/quote]

I see - maybe. I still think you misunderstood lixy in the context of the paragraph he wrote. Maybe he can clarify. Anyway - the damage is done, as this imo misunderstood point has of course been jumped upon.

Makkun

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
They,re bringing the daughter’s fiancee to the convention tonight. A very good move in my opinion.

I have my doubts…the kid makes Kevin Federline and the dude who knocked up Jamie Lynn Spears look like rocket scientists. He had some ridiculous things up on a myspace page before they made him take it down. He also stated he did not want kids. He better be well-coached. Even if actually politically expedient, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do either. Sarah should shield Bristol and kid from publicity to the greatest extent possible. If their private lives are supposed to be out of bounds, why the hell is she bringing him to the convention and putting him on display?

I disagree. All they need is for the 2 of them to LOOK like a family in the making. Unless they keep the daughter from public appearance as well. I say the fiancee in a suit appearing mature standing next to her looks better than her standing there alone or not at all. This is big league hardball. Palin IS the pick. If they are not going to do what they have to within anything like sane limits to win then the campaign is over. Them simply being there isn’t hurting anybody.

Also, if this family is as strong as we’re led to believe this girl is not going to go to pieces over this. People have gotten pregnant and married in that order forever in this country. Stats from the 50’s show that unmarried pregnancy was pretty common except the people got married, just like these people are. It’s only an issue because of Palin’s traditional views which will be better represented by the happy couple and parents to be just being there looking that way.[/quote]

Good points.

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Does anyone even know if Alaska is practicing abstinence-only sex education? If not, Bristol’s pregnancy has even less relevance to Sarah’s policies.

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We live in a tabloid society in which every detail of the lives of any figure in the public view is dissected to death. When the sister of Brittany Spears got knocked up it was all over the tabloids and even news-talk programing despite her only real claim to fame being, as far as I know, being related to Brittany. It may not be right that things are this way, I strongly believe it isn’t, but thems the rules and they’ve been the rules for quite some time.

She knew the rules of the game before she stepped out onto the national stage, that her family would be on the block as well, and she did it anyway. This is all theater though.

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[quote]etaco wrote:
We live in a tabloid society in which every detail of the lives of any figure in the public view is dissected to death. When the sister of Brittany Spears got knocked up it was all over the tabloids and even news-talk programing despite her only real claim to fame being, as far as I know, being related to Brittany. It may not be right that things are this way, I strongly believe it isn’t, but thems the rules and they’ve been the rules for quite some time.

She knew the rules of the game before she stepped out onto the national stage, that her family would be on the block as well, and she did it anyway. This is all theater though.[/quote]

Of course.

I’m guaranteeing you during the vetting process they sat her down and told her that if she ever tripped and swore at 10,000 feet on the south face of Mt. St. Elias on a dall sheep hunt it would wind up on somebody’s smear sheet. So far it doesn’t seem to be phasing her. If I were advising her I’d tell her to just smile and keep up the general [quote]“I’m not going to Washington to seek your good opinion”[/quote] tactic.

It’s driving them absolutely out of their minds and the public is eating it up.

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The problem for Palin’s critics is two-fold:

  1. The “smoking guns” they keep coming up with are VERY weak.

  2. She didn’t try to “hide” her daughter or to cover it up.

I think Palin was smart enough to know that attempting to hide it would have been INFINITELY worse on her daughter and her BF as every hack publication would have been hounding the two of them, without mercy, for the “scoop”.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
The problem for Palin’s critics is two-fold:

  1. The “smoking guns” they keep coming up with are VERY weak.

  2. She didn’t try to “hide” her daughter or to cover it up.

I think Palin was smart enough to know that attempting to hide it would have been INFINITELY worse on her daughter and her BF as every hack publication would have been hounding the two of them, without mercy, for the “scoop”.

Mufasa[/quote]

Of course nobody is asking me, but I would have handled if a bit differently. I would have announced it as a simple matter of fact in the general introduction to her family in the intitial press releases. For example, [quote] And this is my/her daughter Bristol and her fiancee Levi who are expecting their first child in January[/quote] Right outta the gate. Of course this wouldn’t have stopped the attacks, but it would have muted whatever effectiveness they may have had even further.

Having it become public in rapid fire fashion after the fact was a bit clumsy in my opinion. If it weren’t for the fact that they were being so secretive, which I think was more important overall, I would’ve made it public weeks before the announcement of the pick. That would’ve been a tip off that she was under serious consideration though, a thing they very wisely went to great lengths to hide.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
The problem for Palin’s critics is two-fold:

  1. The “smoking guns” they keep coming up with are VERY weak.

  2. She didn’t try to “hide” her daughter or to cover it up.

I think Palin was smart enough to know that attempting to hide it would have been INFINITELY worse on her daughter and her BF as every hack publication would have been hounding the two of them, without mercy, for the “scoop”.

Mufasa[/quote]

Regarding your 2nd point: people were cringing when it was announced that she would have her pregnant daughter, and the father at the convention the night of her speech.

I said then, that pushing the issue was the smartest thing she could do. I was right. It cracks me up how one woman from BFE can frustrate the press to the extent that they have no where to go.

Being from a town of less than 800 people, I have to throw the proverbial finger at anyone who thinks that small town USA is the home of trailer trash. we have kicked the shit out of the MSM, and if you think Palin is an exception to the rule, you should seriously consider thinking again.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
The problem for Palin’s critics is two-fold:

  1. The “smoking guns” they keep coming up with are VERY weak.

  2. She didn’t try to “hide” her daughter or to cover it up.

I think Palin was smart enough to know that attempting to hide it would have been INFINITELY worse on her daughter and her BF as every hack publication would have been hounding the two of them, without mercy, for the “scoop”.

Mufasa

Regarding your 2nd point: people were cringing when it was announced that she would have her pregnant daughter, and the father at the convention the night of her speech.

I said then, that pushing the issue was the smartest thing she could do. I was right. It cracks me up how one woman from BFE can frustrate the press to the extent that they have no where to go.

Being from a town of less than 800 people, I have to throw the proverbial finger at anyone who thinks that small town USA is the home of trailer trash. we have kicked the shit out of the MSM, and if you think Palin is an exception to the rule, you should seriously consider thinking again.
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I agree and said the same thing. Have em right in their face looking the happy couple about to embark on their life together.

The most exquisite part of this is watching her behave in a genuinely unimpressed manner toward the MSM and the DC insider elite LOL! IT IS PRECIOUS LOL! Her [quote]who the hell are you?[/quote] attitude has those exalted snobs thoroughly snarling and red faced. The entertainment value is priceless.

However she isn’t going to be able to avoid some face time with those vipers and they are going to throttle her on foreign policy like there is no tomorrow. Mark my words. They’ll do things like dig up every little microscopic speck on the globe we have any interest in at all and ask her questions about it with the clear design of exposing her lack of knowledge of the world.

If that happens during the debate it will make Biden look very good by comparison, at least on that front. Unless she’s a lot more talented than we’ve even seen.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

I agree and said the same thing. Have em right in their face looking the happy couple about to embark on their life together.

Although I don’t really care one way or another, I think it’s funny that she’s doing this. Smart, I agree, but funny.

They’re the only 17 year olds ready and thrilled to have a kid I guess.

The most exquisite part of this is watching her behave in a genuinely unimpressed manner toward the MSM and the DC insider elite LOL! IT IS PRECIOUS LOL! Her who the hell are you? attitude has those exalted snobs thoroughly snarling and red faced. The entertainment value is priceless.

However she isn’t going to be able to avoid some face time with those vipers and they are going to throttle her on foreign policy like there is no tomorrow. Mark my words. They’ll do things like dig up every little microscopic speck on the globe we have any interest in at all and ask her questions about it with the clear design of exposing her lack of knowledge of the world.

If that happens during the debate it will make Biden look very good by comparison, at least on that front. Unless she’s a lot more talented than we’ve even seen.

Well, you know, it’s not like you have dig that far.

She supported that “Bridge to Nowhere” before she opposed it, so that one will probably hurt.

All her bullshit about trying to ban books when she was Mayor of the eskimo village is enough to kill her too. Nothing like another whackjob Christian conservative who hates freedom of ideals. Yup, sure want that as my VP.

There’a big article in TIME about her indiscretions. Suggest you fellas actually read it instead of fawning over her dumbass daughter and the pictures of her with a dead moose. [/quote]

The book burning thing is a joke. Never happened. Every book that was in the library when she was elected was still in the library when she left office.

I wonder if time is going to offer equal time about Biden’s indiscretions, like say his plagerism fetish?

It’s going to take more than left-wing slants, and lies to derail Palin. But it’s fun watching you guys get so angry over someone who really doesn’t give a fuck about your lies.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:

The book burning thing is a joke. Never happened. Every book that was in the library when she was elected was still in the library when she left office.

Wrong. Direct quote from the article that I had to type for you fucker.

“As mayor, she asked the library how she could go about banning books. The librarian was aghast.”

Why? Because some voters thought they had “inappropriate language” in them.

Maybe we could call her Herr Palin. It’s got a nice ring to it. [/quote]

You didn’t have to type anything.

She asked a question that voters wanted asked. And so far, the only side of the story we have is from the librarian who quit her job back in 1999.

I really don’t care what cute little left-wing epithet you give to Palin. The fact of the matter is that you will be calling her Vice President in January.

[quote]Ahh that’s right. The massive media conspiracy, I forgot.

And who’s making straw men now? Biden’s record is there. Your “news” station has covered it thoroughly, I’m sure. Every gaff he has had has been on msn.com, I remember reading them.

Face it- she’s just another political whore who will do whatever she has to do to get elected where she wants. She was not on the straight and narrow when she was mayor, and she wouldn’t be now.

hahaha. You guys love this “pittbull in a skirt” thing huh? Maybe that shit flies in West Texas where there’s not many women, but up here we see right through it.[/quote]

Yes, I like the fact that she has more balls than both of your guys put together. But, no - that shit flies all over the US. I could give a shit what a bunch of stupid fucking Oprah-watching guido whores think. It’s not like they are going to vote anyhow.

Maybe that’s your problem with Palin. She appeals to those you think are beneath you, and doesn’t really care what you say about her.

The fact is, she is a rock star and has sucked the wind out of Opie’s sails.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Honestly, you’re going to get more at the polls this year than ever. Obama has a major movement amongst the young, and we will be voting in large numbers this year. You should be worried.
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Well, we can finally almost agree on something. This election should have a huge turnout. Is it going to benefit the reds or the blues?

I think you underestimate just how many conservatives there are in this country, and if they all show up to vote - the youth movement will not be much of an issue.

Blacks and kids always seem to talk a good talk, but fail miserably when it comes time to walk the walk. If Opie is looking to get those voters to show up, he should stop campaigning now, and spend every last dime of his war chest on them.

The assholes on the coasts should be the ones worrying, not me.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Also, I think that the black vote will be greatly increased this year. I think many blacks will see his nomination as validation that they have a chance to really do something with their own lives, and that maybe America is not as racist as they thought. Regardless if he wins or not, it is groundbreaking territory for that reason alone.[/quote]

IIRC obama was getting 90%+ of the black vote. America isn’t getting any less racist just because white on colored racism is dying out.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
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However she isn’t going to be able to avoid some face time with those vipers and they are going to throttle her on foreign policy like there is no tomorrow.

Mark my words. They’ll do things like dig up every little microscopic speck on the globe we have any interest in at all and ask her questions about it with the clear design of exposing her lack of knowledge of the world.

[…]
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They should too. She has no voting record on foreign policy, no record of speeches, and I haven;t even seen any indication she has stepped foot any further abroad than Canada.

She could be a brilliant foreign policy mind or she could be the biggest dud of all time; the problem is that we just don’t know. It’s not enough to just parrot McCain’s line for two months until election.

There’s a very real chance that she could end up president if McCain were elected and we really don’t have much to go on about what she would do without the foreign policy tutelage of McCain.

If she had been introduced to the national stage a year or two ago, this process might proceed more gently, but with two months to go that isn’t really an option. Worst of all on this front she is apparently going to retreat into seclusion for most of the next month and not give interviews.

The media will hound her for this- as they should- and the democrats would be smart to exploit this angle while avoiding the tabloidier stuff.

On this note I really don’t think the media has been that unfair or at least that irregular towards her. Every other candidate has had their dirty laundry aired over the course of years but since she is brand new to the national scene, she is getting hers all at once.

There’s less of her’s out their now even after this supposed media hatcheting than there is about the other three candidates.

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I would agree with you 100% if it actually were across the board and I pretty much do agree with anyway. Everybody should be asked about everything. The trouble is the major media outlets are campaigning for the democrats and have been for a few decades.

They are and will continue to treat Obama and Biden much gentler than Palin or any other republican.

I just hope there isn’t a Palin meltdown in the future. Not saying there is, but we are still way way out from the election.