[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
WHEN our government collapses paper money will be worthless. gold never loses its value. I wonder if they found a stock pile of ammunition and guns as well?? sounds like my type of guy. [/quote]
I hope to God that Kenelly doesn’t try to raid my house for supplies if there’s a gigantic chaotic collapse in the government haha. He would probably just kick peoples walls down.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
WHEN our government collapses paper money will be worthless. gold never loses its value. I wonder if they found a stock pile of ammunition and guns as well?? sounds like my type of guy. [/quote]
Gold prices haven’t lost value, only when you don’t index for inflation. With indexing for inflation, gold has had the same rise and fall in value as any other investment. Gold is on the upswing now, that is true. Just like housing prices were a few years back, and we all know that bubble never burst…
Anyone who actually thinks that gold will continue to increase ad infinium would be wise to read a little on the 1600’s Tulipmania in the Netherlands. It, like every other bubble before it, will burst.
Besides which… if paper money will lose all value after the government collapses… why would gold companies be willing to sell it in exchange for paper money?
[quote]chrisarmes wrote:
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
WHEN our government collapses paper money will be worthless. gold never loses its value. I wonder if they found a stock pile of ammunition and guns as well?? sounds like my type of guy. [/quote]
Gold prices haven’t lost value, only when you don’t index for inflation. With indexing for inflation, gold has had the same rise and fall in value as any other investment. Gold is on the upswing now, that is true. Just like housing prices were a few years back, and we all know that bubble never burst…
Anyone who actually thinks that gold will continue to increase ad infinium would be wise to read a little on the 1600’s Tulipmania in the Netherlands. It, like every other bubble before it, will burst.[/quote]
my comment was sort of tongue in cheek. if the government collapses, housing prices and inflation won’t matter.
Didn’t catch the sarcasm in the post, my bad. I’m usually over on Outlaws where comments like that aren’t so much tongue in cheek.
When I read your comment, there was an ad for Goldline on the tv at the time, and one on a pop-up on politicsdaily.com in my other browser window. It’s almost an automatic reaction when you’re an econ/poli-sci dork like me 
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
[quote]D Public wrote:
“Officers found the vials and packets of chemicals, along with a safe. Kennelly had the key to the safe, court documents said. Inside, detectives found more suspected drugs, $20,000 in cash and another $80,000 in gold coins, documents said.”
gold coins? [/quote]
powerlifting pirate[/quote]
Hahaha, I keep thinking of the dodgeball movie right now…
Sucks for Kennelly. Cops stole his treasure…
Aren’t all you ‘big government’ sycophants proud of yourself?
You can blame both sides of the aisle and the mainstream network news (ESPECIALLY ESPN) equally for the steroid witch hunt.
Let me ask – Who’s the victim of this ‘crime’?
fair enough.
Man made his bed, if he cant sleep in it to bad. I have always failed to see the point of using any kind of pref. enc. unless tempted by money, for example minor league baseball players. I think the reason they are illegal is because of how we handle/market drugs, the same way we market cigarettes, to kids. If an ample supply of AAS was available to our teen population without supervision or regulation, we would be seeing some serious health problems arise.
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
You’re goverment is a fucking joke,.
They will happilly sponser olympic athletes to cheat using PED’s for years, and allow docters to murder unborn children with whatever drugs they want. But it comes to a powerlifter doing well for himself and not harming a single other human being in the process, it’s a whole different ball game.
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I’m sorry which of our countries citizens have spent the lasy 40 years blowing each other to pieces over some fucking religion. I’m not even sure what you meant to say, I think it was an abortion crack but not only can you not spell, your english is pathetic. I took it as an insult though so, go fuck yourself you drunk irish bastard and go blow up some protestant children.[/quote]
Why can’t you stay on topic?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Aren’t all you ‘big government’ sycophants proud of yourself?
You can blame both sides of the aisle and the mainstream network news (ESPECIALLY ESPN) equally for the steroid witch hunt.
Let me ask – Who’s the victim of this ‘crime’?[/quote]
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. If he was only selling to exp. adult users with proper instruction, then organized sports in general, not just PL’ing are the users.
I am 5’7 and have gone from about 145 to 170 mostly muscle in the last year. My dad remarked how much size I had put on and you know what someone at his office asked? So for all of those who think this wont add to the fire, when the house is already smoking you dont need a can of gas just some more kindling. We have blown this up so far that much of our gen. population has come to assume that anyone with an impressive physique or decent athletic accomplishments is using.
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Aren’t all you ‘big government’ sycophants proud of yourself?
You can blame both sides of the aisle and the mainstream network news (ESPECIALLY ESPN) equally for the steroid witch hunt.
Let me ask – Who’s the victim of this ‘crime’?[/quote]
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. If he was only selling to exp. adult users with proper instruction, then organized sports in general, not just PL’ing are the users.
I am 5’7 and have gone from about 145 to 170 mostly muscle in the last year. My dad remarked how much size I had put on and you know what someone at his office asked? So for all of those who think this wont add to the fire, when the house is already smoking you dont need a can of gas just some more kindling. We have blown this up so far that much of our gen. population has come to assume that anyone with an impressive physique or decent athletic accomplishments is using.[/quote]
So, the fuck, what? You honestly believe that this news story has that much of an impact on the sport of powerlifting? If people are going to be so short-sighted and narrow-minded that they can read one story and make up their mind about an entire sport then fuck them and good riddance. I don’t do this sport so I can show other people how awesome it would be for them to do it as well. This isn’t a mainstream sport for everyone and their dog to do it together.
Seriously people, think for one minute before you spew illogical and stupid shit.
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. [/quote]
No, it doesn’t “depend”. It’s rather straight-forward.
Did they arrest him for selling to “17 year olds … and an entire HS football team” or not?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. [/quote]
No, it doesn’t “depend”. It’s rather straight-forward.
Did they arrest him for selling to “17 year olds … and an entire HS football team” or not?[/quote]
So you are saying that in a perfect world both grown ass men and little kids would be able to walk into the store and buy AAS or any other drug and use it without supervision. I fail to see how the specifics of the sotries dont matter, I wasnt accusing him of anything in particular, simply stating my opinion on why there is legitamacy to an illegeal ban on something like steroids.
Now true, while you can have some sort of age limit on legal AAS theoretically, our age limitations on tobacco and alcohol fail miserably, what is the logic in legalizing more things that we will not properly regulate.
No wonder people think powerlifting is a bullshit sport. Just read the replies from everyone in this thread, and you will understand. If everyone trained natural, we would have a better reputation. The said thing is that this is the truth, yet you’re all so upset about it when anyone speaks the truth.
– Stallion
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. [/quote]
No, it doesn’t “depend”. It’s rather straight-forward.
Did they arrest him for selling to “17 year olds … and an entire HS football team” or not?[/quote]
So you are saying that in a perfect world both grown ass men and little kids would be able to walk into the store and buy AAS or any other drug and use it without supervision. I fail to see how the specifics of the sotries dont matter, I wasnt accusing him of anything in particular, simply stating my opinion on why there is legitamacy to an illegeal ban on something like steroids.
Now true, while you can have some sort of age limit on legal AAS theoretically, our age limitations on tobacco and alcohol fail miserably, what is the logic in legalizing more things that we will not properly regulate.
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Alcohol, cigarettes, and OTC medicines killed more people last month than steroids ever have.
Ryan broke the law because the law (ie. the ban) exists. The fact that the complete ban and criminalization of AAS exists at all (as opposed to perhaps an age limit like alcohol) is ridiculous.
Again, did they bust him for distributing to 17 year olds or are you just being absurd? If he did, then he’s not too bright, but as far as anyone knows he didn’t, so why make the claim?
The question is in this particular case of a man being arrested for possession of AAS, WHO WAS THE VICTIM? Who was harmed?
[quote]dumbbellhead wrote:
I don’t do this sport so I can show other people how awesome it would be for them to do it as well. This isn’t a mainstream sport for everyone and their dog to do it together. [/quote]
Truth.
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. [/quote]
No, it doesn’t “depend”. It’s rather straight-forward.
Did they arrest him for selling to “17 year olds … and an entire HS football team” or not?[/quote]
So you are saying that in a perfect world both grown ass men and little kids would be able to walk into the store and buy AAS or any other drug and use it without supervision. I fail to see how the specifics of the sotries dont matter, I wasnt accusing him of anything in particular, simply stating my opinion on why there is legitamacy to an illegeal ban on something like steroids.
Now true, while you can have some sort of age limit on legal AAS theoretically, our age limitations on tobacco and alcohol fail miserably, what is the logic in legalizing more things that we will not properly regulate.
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Prohibition failed miserably. Prohibiting the legal use of marijuana is failing miserably. Prohibiting kids younger than 18 to obtain cigarettes is failing miserably. Same can be said about kids under 21 who drink alcohol. Prohibiting the legal use of AAS is failing miserably.
Do you really think a written law is going to stop people from getting their hands on stuff they’re not allowed to have?
There’s only so much you can do to properly regulate stuff. There are kids, RIGHT NOW, using steroids when they shouldn’t be. The only difference between them obtaining it, with regards to the legal issue is:
If it’s legal, the government can regulate it (in the exact same way they do pharmacy grade AAS today), and the user can be guaranteed a correctly dosed, sterile product. Products can be given serial numbers, distributed by pharmacists, and taxed.
If it’s illegal, the user can get a vial filled with some oil and whatever else manages to find its way in there, and hope it’s dosed correctly, hope it’s even the hormone that they asked for, and hope it’s sterile that was made in an underground lab. (which are hardly ever “labs” and almost never a sterile environment.) It can be given a drug dealers word that it’s good, and will be sold to make an easy buck.
EDIT: Since the mods removed the link, google “The anabolic steroid control act: the wrong prescription” by Rick Collins, read it, and stop spewing off ignorant bullshit.
[quote]flashgordon wrote:
You’re goverment is a fucking joke,.
They will happilly sponser olympic athletes to cheat using PED’s for years, and allow docters to murder unborn children with whatever drugs they want. But it comes to a powerlifter doing well for himself and not harming a single other human being in the process, it’s a whole different ball game.
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yup
I think everybody just needs to relax and stop bitching about whether AAS or other drugs should be legal or not. Whether something is illegal or not doesn’t stop anybody from using it, i.e. Kennelly. Steroids are always going to be in professional and amateur sports. Get over it. All of these “anti-steroid” extremists need to shut the fuck up and accept that fact that people are going to use them and people are going to break and set world records with them, as Kennelly has done with the bench press.
I’m not trying to come off pro or anti AAS, although I used to be extremely against steroids, until I saw what they can do first hand with my cousin, who is a pro bodybuilder. I’m 16 and I’ve come to realize that I don’t give two shits whether people take them or not. Matt Kroc does, Kennelly does, Louie Simmons has been on AAS for more than 30 years straight.
Kroc and Louie are some of the lifters that I look up to and I don’t care whether they or anybody else takes them. They’ve trained their asses of just to get to where they are and have disregarded everybody and everything in their way. That’s the reason why I look up to them. That’s just my two cents.
Luke
EDIT: Actually, sometimes I do care whether people take them or not. If it’s just your average gym rat or somebody who happens to be my age, then fuck them. They don’t need it. When it comes to professional athletes who’s income and livelyhood depends on it, then more power to 'em. Dave Tate explains it the best in this video.
[quote]SILVERDAN7 wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Aren’t all you ‘big government’ sycophants proud of yourself?
You can blame both sides of the aisle and the mainstream network news (ESPECIALLY ESPN) equally for the steroid witch hunt.
Let me ask – Who’s the victim of this ‘crime’?[/quote]
That depends on how and to whom he was distributing. I would say that if he was selling to three 17 year olds to then be distributed to their entire HS football program unsupervised then these children would be the victims. If he was only selling to exp. adult users with proper instruction, then organized sports in general, not just PL’ing are the users.
I am 5’7 and have gone from about 145 to 170 mostly muscle in the last year. My dad remarked how much size I had put on and you know what someone at his office asked? So for all of those who think this wont add to the fire, when the house is already smoking you dont need a can of gas just some more kindling. We have blown this up so far that much of our gen. population has come to assume that anyone with an impressive physique or decent athletic accomplishments is using.[/quote]
Mr 170 lbs you do not know what you are talking about. Stop speculating what he was doing and with whom.