You know that the disenchanted scion of a wealthy family with a construction business cleared some prime Manhattan real estate purely because America existed, and not because it did something? As is, that was the theological explanation, the house of war, dar-al-harb.
What you’re saying is charmingly dumb. Sure, it made sense when wooden ships of the line of His Majesty needed a month to cross the Atlantic, but it doesn’t make sense now in the age of hypersonic missiles. The big bad evil world will not give US a safe space.
So…start a fight with Russia over Ukraine to prevent Russia from using hypersonic missiles against the U.S.? Gee whiz, that’s so sensible. I don’t know how I didn’t see it to begin.
Correction: Hypersonic, nuclear capable, missiles - which are far superior to our own firepower.
@BrickHead
China and Russia are in process of assembling all the dragonballs and they, together, are a serious concern for us. Ostensibly, they want to quash freedom - which is what the US empirically stands for. We have a mess on our hands with this situation.
It would be nice if we were the worlds largest producer of oil like a few years ago. But EPA, Burisma, keystone, nord stream, bla blah blah we can all go fuck ourselves.
While I appreciate the fake “so you’re saying” strawman, I didn’t write that above.
I merely pointed out the fact that in the modern interconnected world a country cannot be expected to “be left alone” as was the case with a newly independent republic in the age of sail, insulated by an ocean.
The correct side. We were like, “Why are all these people running into us?” lol. We thought they were the problem, until we made the connection to driving.
We don’t want this war. It’s very difficult to cut through the noise because I don’t know who to believe. Quite frankly I don’t believe either side. It’s hard to imagine Putin would move with the eye’s on the world on him. It’s just not his style. But he appears to be slow rolling this as for now. “We recognize Russian back résistance” in those eastern provinces. However, it also could be perfect for Russia and China. Russia moves on Ukraine, as the US gets tied up in war there, China moves on Taiwan. The perfect storm. We will lose. I don’t envision a scenario where we win. We couldn’t even beat the taliban.
Meanwhile biden begs OPEC for more oil. Yet, we were energy independent just a year and a half ago. Make that make sense?
If we go to war against Russia directly, it’s going to be no joke. If China jumps in, holy shit. The low casualty engagements of Iraq and Afghanistan will not be the case here.
I’d hate to lose the 51st and 52nd States to Russia and China…
How could we possibly win a fight that doesn’t involve us? What would a “win” look like? How would we know it happened?
I have answers. China is a way bigger threat. But China doesn’t want to take the US on one on one. If Russia and china are both involved, China is free to move. Taiwan, like it or not, has a way bigger impact to our interests directly. They make our tech.
Ukraine is important to biden and no one else. Ukraine made biden rich and has all his dirty laundry. The information they hold could have him and his whole corrupt ass family put in prison.
Yes, eventually. Neither Russia nor the US are able to be defeated from the outside currently. Given a lack of allies, the US will be in a literal world of trouble should Russian expansion continue unchecked.
This is all my personal belief, but i do not believe im alone in feeling this way
In addition, it’s worth noting that this hasn’t got anything to do with NATO. Poland and Ukraine were at the same level in 1990. Poland went to the “West” while Ukraine stayed in the grip of pro-Russian oligarchs.
Ukrainians aren’t dumb. In 2014 when Russian puppet Yanukovich closed their last chance to move towards Europe (not NATO, Ukraine was officially neutral when Putin annexed Crimea) they were pissed off and revolted.
Putin is also acutely aware of this graph and he understands that he cannot offer Ukrainians anything enticing, only continued poverty. The only way to keep his “lost brothers” is by brute force. In other words, his girlfriend decided to leave him for a wealthier, richer suitor and now she’s going to pay for it with her life.
That’s because for every 1 we bombed, 2 more popped up because we killed their father/uncle/brother. It was a war on ideology with too much PR mixed into it to do anything effective. If we really wanted to win, we could have turned the whole country into a sheet of glass - but that’s bad PR.
I don’t want this war either, but I do feel it is inevitable. Maybe not now, maybe not in our lifetimes, but I don’t see either regime falling and I don’t see us coming to a peaceful resolution. It’s not built into any of our countries’ rhetoric
Ukraine gives Russia a roughly 1,000 mile deeper foothold up against the entire EU. I don’t like most of what the EU has done lately, and I feel they are becoming far less of a superpower, but they are the only allies we have that would come to help us. Letting russia take ukraine puts the EU at a huge disadvantage.
I seriously don’t mean to be a nag with constant questions but I truly want to know what freedoms I will lose as an American citizen from this debacle.
Will I and other Americans be prevented from anything I do now, such as attend work and earn a living, start a business, practice religion, purchase what we want to, or even engage in vices that many Americans put much importance on, and so on and so on?
I’m not Ukrainian or Russian. Putin wants two territories in Ukraine, if I have it correct. He also said he wants to keep peace.
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