The universe provides.
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Yes. And I would think it just as silly if someone suggested he were a super badass* or regular olā family man.
*I guess he did have more bullets-fired-in-anger launched at him than has Ukraineās Beggar-In-Chief-Formerly-Known-As-An-Actor
Yep. But how many out there are claiming theyāre badasses or just regular family folk?
Yes. See above and above that.
The current Administration, not you.
I would really appreciate if someone explained to me how this āUkraine war is a massive money laundering schemeā works in practice. After all, there are savvy business people on here.
Yeah, youāre wrong on that as well, but at least youāre predictably (and boringly) consistent.
There was this one Beggar-in-chief 83 years ago that spent months pleading the then-US President to send his country 50 old destroyers in a life-or-death struggle, prevailing after months and months of back-and-forth negotiations.
He was opposed by then-formidable āpeace lobbyā in the US which were a motley collection of rabid pro-fascists and dumb left wingers (financed by a super rich auto maker) that believed that arming his country would prolong an European war.
And these āpeaceniksā people wanted to bomb Mexico for āsecurityā reasons even then.
As someoneās whoās tangentially involved in the problem of exporting Ukrainians grain, I can say that this is not true. Weapons shipments from Poland will continue.
The problem stems from the following issues some of which may be vaguely familiar to American readers:
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Elections in Poland are in October
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The most reliable part of the conservative voting base in Poland are farmers
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Despite claiming to be pro small government anti welfare people living off the land, the farmers are taking eye watering amounts of government subsidies
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Grain is cheap and takes a lot of space and is moved primarily on waterways (thereās a reason for all those Mississippi grain barges). Therefore, with the Black Sea export shipping routes (partially) closed rail transport drives up costs, which will continue until river routes from Ukraine to harbors in the Mediterranean are established (this is where yours truly plays a minuscule part)
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Which means that for both Polish buyers and Ukrainians sellers itās easier to buy/sell Ukrainian cheap grain at the shortest possible distance from Ukraine by rail - just over the border in Poland.
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This in turn enrages Polish farmers - the conservative base - who besides aforementioned subsidies enjoy a government mandated minimum selling price (again, socialism for conservative voters, sounds familiar?)
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This means that the ruling party in Poland has to pander to the base and make angry noises about cheap Ukrainian grain
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The issue is low key being resolved
That sounds familiar.
More for me, less for thee! Thats the American Way!
Iāve built a few of these (maybe a hundred or two.) before being transfered to maintenance of a large coal fleet. 
Yeah, my only point in that was that they have actually helped, which is great.
Even if Poland did stop this very minute, at least they did something more than hand wringing and blame shifting to justify why they shouldnāt.
America should follow Poland and refuse monetary and weapons aide to ukraine
monatery aide because its all a money laundering scheme, also take care of America first
weapons aide because they will use ut against one day, just like everyone did in the past
How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts. | Council on Foreign Relations.
So about ā in money/credit.
Money laundering is probably not the right word exactly. I know you get butthurt when anyone talks shit about sending money to the Ukraine.
Money is going unaccounted for and āthey have no idea where it wentā (this isnāt new or exclusive to the Ukraine).
Our DoD failed its 5th audit last year. Over $3 trillion and counting unaccounted for.
Iām sure there is wire fraud, money laundering, and other crimes going on within that $3 trillion that is just āmissingā and they canāt explain to auditors where it went.
But hey thatās cool just tax us more and keep on keeping on. We arenāt in record debt with skyrocketing inflation or anything.
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War is always great for profit for a select few.
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And Iām sure money is coming back to folks in various ways.
These people are smart and have been doing this for decades.
As always the average American will get shit on while we send tax payer money across the globe like itās nothing.
I can only hope the next president fights and puts a stop to this bullshit. I know unlikely, but a kid can dream.
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Lyndon Johnson got us into vietnam to make millions, thatās why he ordered the CIA to assassinate JFK
Bush Sr and Jr got us into the various middle east wars to make millions
Clinton crime family have been money laundering thru their Clinton foundation, especially thru Haiti
Biden and company is doing all the same with ukraine
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Once upon a time, My wife was a transfer agent for BNYM. She said she was always taking calls for this one company that people were VERY happy with. That was around 2009, 2010. This is that company.
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Plenty of people believe, or did believe, that Reagan, Trump and Arnold were those things.
Donāt worry guys Biden is making sure a country halfway around the world has clean water, but not Americans, his own citizens.
This is the kind of shit that makes Americans say fuck the Ukraine and any other country that our government is sending money to while our country rots and citizens suffer as they pile more debt on us.
All while the government is in danger of a shut down, but Biden made sure to let everyone know that payments to the Ukraine wouldnāt stop even in the event of a government shut down.
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Iād be happy to laugh at their beliefs as wellā¦
Iāve never heard anyone make similar claims about Reagan or Trump. I thought people like Reagan for things he did(or said) as a politician, and even Trumpās fans admit that heās just a rich kid(at least, I think they do).
Arnold was a successful bodybuilder-not that it makes him a badass or anything-firstā¦,he didnāt begin as an actorā¦Iāll be happy to retract my statement about Zelenskyyyy if he has a similar background even to Arnold.
Weāre even inviting āimmigrantsā to come here and providing them with housing, medical care and money.
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Today the Clinton Global Initiative announced their very own program to rebuild Ukraine. The US is sending the World Bank $25 Billion. Then, the World Bank is sending the money to the Clintons. Then the Clintons send it to the Ukraineā¦
Now this is 10 days before the government is supposed to shut down from being broke!
Nothing shady to see here - at all.
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I thought something looked strangeā¦then I put on my Ukraine flag COVID mask and reread your post. That fixed it.
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Kick Backs.
I think the type of corruption in this case would be some kind of Kick back scheme.
The (allegedly) corrupt Politicians canāt just give (more of) the tax payers money to themselves. So they use their positions to give tons of money to Ukrainians and Defense Contractors. And then the Ukrainians and Defense Contractors ākick backā some of the money to the Politicians.
Which makes it dirty money that needs to be laundered.
This is where the āmoney launderingā claims originate.
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How do the Ukrainians launder the money?