Yup, free speech. So say what you want, calingulus…
[quote]Dustin wrote:
No offense to the OP, but I really loathe these types of emails (I’m in the military).
Don’t respect servicemen and women unless you know them personally. A uniform doesn’t equate to one being honorable and noble.
And to the email itself, free speech applies to opinions we don’t like just as much as it does those we do.[/quote]
i kind of agree with you on this. not to respect them unless you know them. i’ve been harassed by a fair amount of military gentlemen since i was about 13. i dont respect that. the part i respect, is the fact that, generally, they have to sacrifice so much.
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
No offense to the OP, but I really loathe these types of emails (I’m in the military).
Don’t respect servicemen and women unless you know them personally. A uniform doesn’t equate to one being honorable and noble.
And to the email itself, free speech applies to opinions we don’t like just as much as it does those we do.[/quote]
i kind of agree with you on this. not to respect them unless you know them. i’ve been harassed by a fair amount of military gentlemen since i was about 13. i dont respect that. the part i respect, is the fact that, generally, they have to sacrifice so much.[/quote]
i kind of agree too. I’ve met some really ungenuine, mentally messed up, disturbed, vindictive personnel in uniform. I always try to give and show my respect. Then I see the kind of human being they are and some disgust me. There’s always going to be bad apple’s in the bunch, sad to say. I still make an effort to show respect though as much as I’d like to plant my fist in their face, I don’t. There are many wonderful people in the service, a few bad one’s mess it up for them all.
[quote]LeanCarlosBrown wrote:
Yup, free speech. So say what you want, calingulus…[/quote]
Well, pardon me if I came off a bit harsh. There have been a handful of similar thread topics in the Off Topic and PWI forums in recent years. They are all the same and nothing but blind nationalism.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
[quote]Nancy Boy wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
If the violence is consensual, then getting punched in the face isn’t quite so bad (and can actually be pretty fun depending upon your mindset and philosophy.) [/quote]
I’m pretty sure you’re quoting me here so I’m going to jump in. If everybody agrees to this (completely retarded) hypothetical situation, a lot of folks are going to find that they’re getting punched in the face for things they don’t necessarily think they deserve.
You punch your neighbor in the face because he lets his grass grow too high between cuttings, and then later you get punched in the face because you let your dog off the leash when you take him to the park.
What I’m trying to get at here is that arbitrary vigilantism isn’t the answer, and while a lot of this “kick your ass” bravado makes us feel better about things we can’t control, it’s just not the answer.
So support our troops, just don’t go picking fights with people who don’t. [/quote]
Picking fights isn’t consensual.
[quote]SergeantQ wrote:
Fighting fires, excellent avatar I am die hard Bears Fan. Da Bears!
LCB I enjoyed the email. Can’t tell you how many times I have seen the colors pass and a few azz clowns had to be corrected on the spot by myself to standup. I have been to the sandbox and was a eye opening experience.
Nancy boy, I did get tired of random joe blow coming up to me while in uniform saying thanks. However, I have learned to accept it, smile and reply with the same courtesy and respect.
SergeantQ, TSgt, USAF active-duty[/quote]
Sorry, if I came across overly harsh on this point. I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, CA. Prior to 9/11, we were considered the scum of the Earth. We were the first unit deployed (from the States,) and when we came back everyone suddenly loved us. The hypocrisy soured me on the whole graditude thing for a while.
And for Orion…the sexual violence problem really isn’t so bad in the military. I was only gangraped once, and I’m pretty damn irresistible. Seriously, what profession doesn’t have members that are rapists or thieves or philanthropists or polka fans?
[quote]Bungalow wrote:
It is ironic that this email is implying that pride in the American armed forces should be imposed through fear and violence.[/quote]
That’s not ironic. If someone implied that pride in the armed forces should be imposed through The Annual Marine Corps Fudge and Brownie Sale, then that would be ironic.
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
No offense to the OP, but I really loathe these types of emails (I’m in the military).
Don’t respect servicemen and women unless you know them personally. A uniform doesn’t equate to one being honorable and noble.
And to the email itself, free speech applies to opinions we don’t like just as much as it does those we do.[/quote]
i kind of agree with you on this. not to respect them unless you know them. i’ve been harassed by a fair amount of military gentlemen since i was about 13. i dont respect that. the part i respect, is the fact that, generally, they have to sacrifice so much.[/quote]
This.
I’d be lying if I said I don’t know plenty of fellow Marines who are complete shitbags…thankfully, a good portion of them are in the process of getting kicked out. We are still humans…
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
No offense to the OP, but I really loathe these types of emails (I’m in the military).
Don’t respect servicemen and women unless you know them personally. A uniform doesn’t equate to one being honorable and noble.
And to the email itself, free speech applies to opinions we don’t like just as much as it does those we do.[/quote]
i kind of agree with you on this. not to respect them unless you know them. i’ve been harassed by a fair amount of military gentlemen since i was about 13. i dont respect that. the part i respect, is the fact that, generally, they have to sacrifice so much.[/quote]
This.
I’d be lying if I said I don’t know plenty of fellow Marines who are complete shitbags…thankfully, a good portion of them are in the process of getting kicked out. We are still humans…[/quote]
every job has its share of assholes
I know a few people who serve in the marines that are pieces of shit, I don’t respect them. I know a few that are good people, and those are the ones I respect. I don’t blindly respect someone just because they belong in a certain category. It’s cool that the armed forces do what they do, and a lot of people in the military do deserve respect, but so do a lot of non-military people. I understand this email should be taken light hearted, but I don’t see anything free about someone worrying about getting their ass kicked if they aren’t always showing the kind of respect that the military believes it deserves.
Coincidentally (or not), every job employs people. Lol.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Coincidentally (or not), every job employs people. Lol. [/quote]
lol oh look at you being all clever
[quote]ladieslove wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Coincidentally (or not), every job employs people. Lol. [/quote]
lol oh look at you being all clever [/quote]
I do my best.
My opinion is that this is patriotic bullshit.Patriotism is a bad thing. It’s an artificial division between humans. DO YOU FEEL LIKE PUNCHING ME IN THE FACE LCB? The worst dumbasses are the one that cant control themselves. ‘‘He insulted me, he is not like me a patriot I am very angry I wanna punch him in the face!’’
I love my country, but what gets me is the “God Bless America” bullshit. A real Christian should be petitioning God to bless the world. Perhaps then we wouldn’t be in so many conflicts if the world were blessed.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
My opinion is that this is patriotic bullshit.Patriotism is a bad thing. It’s an artificial division between humans. DO YOU FEEL LIKE PUNCHING ME IN THE FACE LCB? The worst dumbasses are the one that cant control themselves. ‘‘He insulted me, he is not like me a patriot I am very angry I wanna punch him in the face!’’
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yeah, I’d like to punch you right in your left butt cheek, but then again, that’s just an urge.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
I love my country, but what gets me is the “God Bless America” bullshit. A real Christian should be petitioning God to bless the world. Perhaps then we wouldn’t be in so many conflicts if the world were blessed. [/quote]
I get what you’re gettin’ at…but to be fair, whenever a religious family prayed over a meal they would have to ask God to bless the whole world’s food, yknow? Nothing wrong with people asking God for something in particular to be blessed.
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[quote]Razor29 wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Nearly all of those statements reek of fascism; which works great in a military institution, but thats not what our society is completely based on (at the time). If there ever is a large war which requires our full military, political, economical support, then the American society will lean (as it has before) toward a fascist form of a state, not unlike what happened to Germany in WWII.
The problem is all of these statements are made by an individual already indoctrinated into a fascist form of control, and they are not what America is supposed to represent, no matter how many times you’ve been to Iraq or Afghanistan.[/quote]
What statements are fascist? Having pride, and giving support? [/quote]
No, and I spoke too fast, alot of these are doing what you say. By fascist I mean that all aspects of life is defined by united institutions that are tied to the government.
Now this isn’t necessarily bad in some cases and its always present in one form or another, but one statement that was made was “If they don’t stand up for the American flag, kick their ass”; so if they don’t outwardly show support for the government - force them to.
This is great for military indoctrination but just think if things like that were laws (which if you are in the military - they are) , then that is to say that the government would define who you are even more.
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I agree, and I am well aware of fascism. And I am no fan of anyone forcing someone to believe something is right when it is not. Infact persons in the private section see this everyday in corperate society. I am thankful that I have the right to speak freely, say what I think, disagree with who and what I feel I should.
For all Americans the military holds those rights secure. Others can think and do as they will as well. Wether or not they will admit it, the military protects that right for them. That includes the ones that don’t stand up for the stars and stripes, for that is their right.
I say if they are not happy with all of the freedoms they have, then there are plenty of Cubas and North Koreas in the world that offer so much more. No I don’t follow everything the military does blindly, but I will always support the men and women that offer to give all they have.
Oh, and yes may God Bless America!!
I think regardless of how you feel about the war against terrorism or whatever… the truth is the majority of military personnel have the best intentions for our country and collective freedoms and risk their lives to ensure we maintain all of our freedoms.
If you dont respect them then you should try spending months or years at a time away from family and friends, walking down a street with the possibility of someone ducking in the next ally way ready to shoot you every day and regularly seeing friends and familiar faces layin dead on the ground…you can say you have the balls to do it but i know you’d puss the fuck out.
I don’t know how to quote a post, but in response to Pimpbot5000, my grandfather served with the RAF in WWII. He has since passed on, but before he did he wrote a book on his service in the military in WWII. My grandmother (his wife) met during the war in Clinton, my grandmother was in the womens RAF.
I have alwasys been proud, and always will be proud, of my grandparents for choosing to go fight for something they believed in when they were so young, for something that helped shape todays world. In Canada we do not cover the heart with a hand when a flag goes by or the national anthem is played, but I think its just plain rude and certainly disdainful to not take your hat off or to not sing.
I understand that we are grantd certain freedoms and choices as a free country, but since when did being disrespectful to your home country become “cool”? This post will not even go towards the visible minoritys who have no place in my country, much less want to change my countrys views or policies due to religion or country of origin.
I certainly am pissed off at the number of people who forget how our country got to be free, stays free, and will be free for a long time…but these people thumb their noses at whatever it took to make/keep Canada free.
I myself am not in the military, but I would think it would be a sad day if another World War broke out, and there was conscription to fill the ranks, I wonder how many 17 and 18 year olds would muster up like past generations. I mean, they might have to leave their cell-phone and Ipod at home, while they go for Basic Training.
My grandparents helped to fight to keep our homes free, and I will never forget that.