The only thing i don’t like about this stuff, is i think the veterans actually get a HUGE amount of thanks and respect, lots more than fire fighters, teachers, social workers and a whole host of other people that contribute to society.
But, i take the point of the message
[quote]Aegis67 wrote:
It’s funny how you guys mostly insult me by using ‘dutch bastard’ ‘holland’ etc., exactly shows the basic american bullshit I despise - “I get angry when someone insults my country, so they must too!” - no, I don’t give a fuck about holland. In fact, I like to believe it’s a shithole and I’m not too positive about your random dutchie either. Americans are far worse though, with your bullshit excessive christianity, bullshit patriotism, bullshit ideologies and the bullshit you get your ‘american pride’ from.
Of course, this is all my opinion.[/quote]
Funny, I wasn’t even born in this country, but I still feel pride in it and respect all the military members? Does that make it typical “American pride”?
“America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
itâ??s the dream that we all share; itâ??s the hope for tomorrow”
It is ironic that this email is implying that pride in the American armed forces should be imposed through fear and violence.
God bless America!! Freedom is not free. That is the bottom line no matter where you are from, or what faith.
If you don’t want me to take what you have, then stop me. America has been stopping that since a bunch of civilians shoved the English back across the pond. (No offense to our now English friends.)
Some one thanking a soilder for what they are giving to keep the smallest of freedoms alive is a great thing. A great thing that anyone who is not in the service can even begin to understand what troops go through. Most take it foregranted that it is their right to be protected rather than a honor, and a privilage. Never down play that help them to understand… Be proud that your community supports you, don’t shun them because of ignorance. Their’s, or your’s…
Nearly all of those statements reek of fascism; which works great in a military institution, but thats not what our society is completely based on (at the time). If there ever is a large war which requires our full military, political, economical support, then the American society will lean (as it has before) toward a fascist form of a state, not unlike what happened to Germany in WWII.
The problem is all of these statements are made by an individual already indoctrinated into a fascist form of control, and they are not what America is supposed to represent, no matter how many times you’ve been to Iraq or Afghanistan.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Nearly all of those statements reek of fascism; which works great in a military institution, but thats not what our society is completely based on (at the time). If there ever is a large war which requires our full military, political, economical support, then the American society will lean (as it has before) toward a fascist form of a state, not unlike what happened to Germany in WWII.
The problem is all of these statements are made by an individual already indoctrinated into a fascist form of control, and they are not what America is supposed to represent, no matter how many times you’ve been to Iraq or Afghanistan.[/quote]
What statements are fascist? Having pride, and giving support?
[quote]Razor29 wrote:
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Nearly all of those statements reek of fascism; which works great in a military institution, but thats not what our society is completely based on (at the time). If there ever is a large war which requires our full military, political, economical support, then the American society will lean (as it has before) toward a fascist form of a state, not unlike what happened to Germany in WWII.
The problem is all of these statements are made by an individual already indoctrinated into a fascist form of control, and they are not what America is supposed to represent, no matter how many times you’ve been to Iraq or Afghanistan.[/quote]
What statements are fascist? Having pride, and giving support? [/quote]
No, and I spoke too fast, alot of these are doing what you say. By fascist I mean that all aspects of life is defined by united institutions that are tied to the government. Now this isn’t necessarily bad in some cases and its always present in one form or another, but one statement that was made was “If they don’t stand up for the American flag, kick their ass”; so if they don’t outwardly show support for the government - force them to.
This is great for military indoctrination but just think if things like that were laws (which if you are in the military - they are) , then that is to say that the government would define who you are even more.
Hats of to all military personel. It’s just too bad that the US is no longer the land of the free. It’s the land of big brother. But it’s not the military’s fault, rather the politicians and the people voting for them.
[quote]Razor29 wrote:
Freedom is not free. [/quote]
Buck oh-five.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
I remember reading somewhere that a soldier and his buddys were sick of random folks coming up to them and saying thank-you, we stand by you etc. They hated it. Curious to know if the OP has friends in the military who feel this way. [/quote]
Like Leeancarlos brown, I too am a contractor, but here in Afghanistan.
I was talking about this the other day with a couple of my troops. How about this:
Not that the soldiers do not appreciate people saying thank you to them, but if say at the airport for example, they just come from a war zone, are tired and just want to get home to their familes.
When some people find out I’m over here, I get ‘thank you’s.’. I tell them I’m no longer in the military, just helping them keep their networks running. I get “You’re still doing your part, so thank you”
You might have read on line, but yesterday was our 1st car bombing outside base. I’m at Phoenix. Only minor injuries for the troops.
This thread belongs in PWI.
OP this thread is full of awesomness and I have forwarded to everyone i know!
Great thread. I’ll second the sentiment of feeling somewhat guilty for never having served. Until about a year ago, I was really sloppy out of shape and never would have thought I could have ever gotten in the type of shape to serve. Now, I’m in medical school and getting much healthier, sometimes toss around the idea of serving as a medical officer. I’ve got nothing but respect for the men and women who put their life on the line for the ideals of freedom and justice.
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
I usually don’t like getting involved in threads like this, but usually what happens is some Canadian posts a message insulting the US army, and the kneejerk response is typically “you Canadians have the USA to thank for the freedom you enjoy” or “enjoy eating your hockey pucks and being smug”.
Just wanted to point out, pre-emptively, the following statistics, in the unfortunate but likely event that any Canada-bashing should take place:
World War I:
World War II:
Korea:
The Gulf War:
Afghanistan:
1.) 309 Combat-related deaths[/quote]
Thanks for taking the time to dig up that info.
Also isn’t the ratio of Canadians serving and being killed(309) in Afghanistan higher than any other country…by alot.
[quote]SergeantQ wrote:
Fighting fires, excellent avatar I am die hard Bears Fan. Da Bears!
LCB I enjoyed the email. Can’t tell you how many times I have seen the colors pass and a few azz clowns had to be corrected on the spot by myself to standup. I have been to the sandbox and was a eye opening experience.
Nancy boy, I did get tired of random joe blow coming up to me while in uniform saying thanks. However, I have learned to accept it, smile and reply with the same courtesy and respect.
SergeantQ, TSgt, USAF active-duty[/quote]
Thanks SGT Q. You’re Air Force, but In 6 months I am going to join the Navy, and that’s AFTER I’ve been in Iraq as a contractor for 4 years.
[quote]mike_70 wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
I remember reading somewhere that a soldier and his buddys were sick of random folks coming up to them and saying thank-you, we stand by you etc. They hated it. Curious to know if the OP has friends in the military who feel this way. [/quote]
Like Leeancarlos brown, I too am a contractor, but here in Afghanistan.
I was talking about this the other day with a couple of my troops. How about this:
Not that the soldiers do not appreciate people saying thank you to them, but if say at the airport for example, they just come from a war zone, are tired and just want to get home to their familes.
When some people find out I’m over here, I get ‘thank you’s.’. I tell them I’m no longer in the military, just helping them keep their networks running. I get “You’re still doing your part, so thank you”
You might have read on line, but yesterday was our 1st car bombing outside base. I’m at Phoenix. Only minor injuries for the troops.[/quote]
You know we get hit here in Balad too almost every day. Luckily, the idiot insurgents don’t knwo how to arm mortar rounds so most of them don’t expplode. But we do get control det’s a few times a week from all of the collected unexploded ordinance.
I’ve been told that in Afghan, it’s a bitch. It’s how Iraq used to be in the beginning. Stay safe out there.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
This thread belongs in PWI.[/quote]
What’s PWI?
PWI = Politics and World Issues
No offense to the OP, but I really loathe these types of emails (I’m in the military).
Don’t respect servicemen and women unless you know them personally. A uniform doesn’t equate to one being honorable and noble.
And to the email itself, free speech applies to opinions we don’t like just as much as it does those we do.
