Royce Gracie Fails Drug Test

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[quote]RickyBobby wrote:
texasguy wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
RickyBobby wrote:
Best comment so far…

“he tested positive for a pretty serious steroid, nandrolone. Bodybuilders use that shit.”

That Sherdog thread is some of the dumbest shit I have ever read.

I read some other threads. There was so much stupidity there (and Brock Lesnar nut-hugging) that I was literally angered.

Thank goodness T-Nation has not fully embraced the MMA crowd. I could not imagine how to shit this forum would go if these people came over en masse.

mma was much cooler before dana white and spike tv got ahold of it.

I disagree. IMO, Dana/Fertittas have helped grow the sport and MMA has evolved enormously since the days of Gracie/Severn.

A lot of the UFC’s incredible growth and success is due to a rapidly expanding fan base who become interested in MMA through mediums such as TUF.

Sure, with the growing popularity you have to deal with an increasing amount of noobs who are borderline retarded but I think it is a small price to pay in the overall scheme of things.

Without Dana/Fertittas acquisition of Pride, we would not have near the # of potential superfights we have today (i.e. Wandy/Chuck, Shogun/Chuck, Shogun/Rampage 2, AA/Fedor, Mirko/Fedor 2, Couture/Fedor, Gomi/Penn 2, Vera/Shogun).

On a side note–I do fucking hate that Pride is adopting UFC rules (banning soccer kicks/stomps and allowing elbows). [/quote]

i disagree. i liked it better with the more lax rules, the multiple fights, the larger contrasts in fighting styles and the greater amount of raw violence that cage fighting should be. there was more left to chance, more lucky punches, more uncertainty which made the fights and consequent betting with your buddies more fun.

i would also much prefer to see the tank abbots, mark colemans, vitor belforts, bas ruttens, frank shamrocks and gracies to todays stars though that isn’t to say that i don’t enjoy watching the fights now, just not as much.

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Was anyone else bothered by the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 hypocrisy of White giving Thomas and Sims the boot for their fight on the patio and throwing a stink about the bad name they gave MMA – yet he broadcasted the damn fight for our amusement?

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[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Was anyone else bothered by the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 hypocrisy of White giving Thomas and Sims the boot for their fight on the patio and throwing a stink about the bad name they gave MMA – yet he broadcasted the damn fight for our amusement?[/quote]

i think Spike had more to do with the broadcast than Dana. I would imagine the contract gives the TV channel more executive power to decide what makes it to the TV.

Both Spike and Zuffa are riding each others coat tails to success, but spike undoubtedly had other options when the UFC was a floundering sport labeled illegal in 48 states. I would assume White took any oppurtunity he could get and at the time the TUF shows were schemed, any shitty contract hand out would have sufficed.

hopefully he’ll have more executive power in what ever his next contract decision is now that he has made a name.

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For me it is more an issue of I see that MMA, UFC Pride etc… is becoming the predominant image that people have when people think of the martial arts.

For the longest time people did the same thing with Bruce Lee. I’m a huge fan but even I reached a point where I can’t stand to see any more pictures of Lee with his shirt off and a nunchuk under his arm.

There is so much more to the martial arts than just pinning a guy on the ground and smashing his face in or choking him till he’s almost dead. Many of the old masters were also doctors because they felt that if you had the ability to take someone apart you should also be able to put them back together again.

There are deeper esoteric aspects of the martial arts that you will never find going around hurting people. Just look at people like Hughes, Koschek or Sanchez they aren’t known for having the most warm and freindly of personalities. Constantly thinking about and practicing smashing people will mold your personality and not in a good way.

There is so much more that martial arts can do for people. I’ll give you an example. When I used to teach a kids class, we used to have kids come in all the time, who had no self confidence, low self esteem and got poor grades at school. Six months later after we instilled a sense of discipline in them and taught them how to take care of themselves, a lot of these kids are on the honor roll at school.

I am way more proud of my students who made the honor roll than any of the times I hurt someone. When I think back on some of the beatings I have put on people I feel ashamed.

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I will always see Hughes and Koscheck as wrestlers, not martial artists.

Hughes and Koscheck grew up wrestling, not “smashing peoples faces”. Koscheck is one of the best college wrestlers of the last decade. Matt Hughes, although he may be cocky, grew up on a farm (and still works on his family’s farm) and probably works harder than 95% of the population. With mixed martial arts, now there is an opportunity for wrestler’s lifelong hard work to pay off.

If you ever were a wrestler, you’d understand all of the discipline, hard work and sacrifice it takes and the gains you get in self confidence by making those sacrifices are probably similar to your traditional martial arts examples.

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[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Was anyone else bothered by the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 hypocrisy of White giving Thomas and Sims the boot for their fight on the patio and throwing a stink about the bad name they gave MMA – yet he broadcasted the damn fight for our amusement?[/quote]

Dana White is getting out of hand. Spike wanted Thomas and Sims to fight in the finals, but Dana rejected it.

Hell, that would have been one prelim fight I wouldn’t have gone to the refrigerator during.

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[quote]Jack_Dempsey wrote:
Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Was anyone else bothered by the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 hypocrisy of White giving Thomas and Sims the boot for their fight on the patio and throwing a stink about the bad name they gave MMA – yet he broadcasted the damn fight for our amusement?

Dana White is getting out of hand. Spike wanted Thomas and Sims to fight in the finals, but Dana rejected it.

Hell, that would have been one prelim fight I wouldn’t have gone to the refrigerator during.[/quote]

I’m not sure about the logic there. If they had put the fight as a prelim, it would have been the ultimate hypocrisy.

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[quote]AdamC wrote:
Jack_Dempsey wrote:
Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Was anyone else bothered by the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 hypocrisy of White giving Thomas and Sims the boot for their fight on the patio and throwing a stink about the bad name they gave MMA – yet he broadcasted the damn fight for our amusement?

Dana White is getting out of hand. Spike wanted Thomas and Sims to fight in the finals, but Dana rejected it.

Hell, that would have been one prelim fight I wouldn’t have gone to the refrigerator during.

I’m not sure about the logic there. If they had put the fight as a prelim, it would have been the ultimate hypocrisy. [/quote]

They promo’d the street fight endlessly and showed it in its entirety. The street fight happened months before its air date. Plenty of time to get offended and not air it. I think it’s a little too late for them to worry about being hypocrites.

I see the “instigator” Monstah Lobsta is still on the card.

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[quote]Jack_Dempsey wrote:
AdamC wrote:
Jack_Dempsey wrote:
Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
Was anyone else bothered by the Ultimate Fighter Season 5 hypocrisy of White giving Thomas and Sims the boot for their fight on the patio and throwing a stink about the bad name they gave MMA – yet he broadcasted the damn fight for our amusement?

Dana White is getting out of hand. Spike wanted Thomas and Sims to fight in the finals, but Dana rejected it.

Hell, that would have been one prelim fight I wouldn’t have gone to the refrigerator during.

I’m not sure about the logic there. If they had put the fight as a prelim, it would have been the ultimate hypocrisy.

They promo’d the street fight endlessly and showed it in its entirety. The street fight happened months before its air date. Plenty of time to get offended and not air it. I think it’s a little too late for them to worry about being hypocrites.

I see the “instigator” Monstah Lobsta is still on the card.

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If the focus of this thread hadn’t already crashed and burned, I just might feel guilty about this little hijack.

Oh yeah, how does everyone feel about the Spike Shooter? I love that it energizes me so much more than the pill, but I’ll be gosh-darned if the pill isn’t 10 times easier to carry around!