Sherdog is the fucking short bus of the mma community.
BUT BUT I thought only huge muscular dudes use steriods! not cyclists, pitchers, and Royce Gracie!
[quote]texasguy wrote:
what is up with the tap out reality show on the vs. channel? those reps are the biggest douche bags i’ve ever seen, but they fit WWE interests perfectly.
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That show makes me sad
WTF does dressing up like a clown wearing face pant everywhere have to do with MMA? Someone please explain
[quote]texasguy wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
texasguy wrote:
mma was much cooler before dana white and spike tv got ahold of it.
Agreed. It’s too popular. Now everyone has an opinion on it. Shit, most of the new fans (which includes a majority of fans) were formerly WWE fans. That says about all that needs to be said about the new flock of fans.
the wwe was nothing but show and steroids made the show, not athleticism. just big muscles and fake, choreographed matches. steroids didn’t help athletes, it created fake ones in this case.
a real sport has been compromised in the name of financial success.
what is up with the tap out reality show on the vs. channel? those reps are the biggest douche bags i’ve ever seen, but they fit WWE interests perfectly.
it’s obvious that up and coming mma leagues are counting on cross over fans to make them. face paint, stupid afros and make believe persona’s… good tv, horrible sport.
it’s a shame to see the most pure and arguably oldest sport in the world (ancient roman style wrestling) go the way of promoters and money whores. [/quote]
Damn good post.
Professional show wrestling is all about actors doing stunts and following storylines to entertain people. Hell, the shit started at carnivals, its supposed to be like a sideshow.
MMA is supposed to be real atheletes in real athletic competition.
Drama, face painting, funny costumes, etc, should stay out of MMA the same way actually trying to knock out your opponent should stay out of WWE.
[quote]SWR wrote:
Man O’ War wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Maybe steroids don’t work after all.
Good call. All steroids make you big and bulky don’t they?!?!?
Yea, especially those corticosteroids. Those will make you J A C K E D!!!
I even got some cream for eczema that will really pack on the muscle, and I was able to get it prescribed![/quote]
I need to find a doctor like yours. I want to get huge.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
texasguy wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
texasguy wrote:
mma was much cooler before dana white and spike tv got ahold of it.
Agreed. It’s too popular. Now everyone has an opinion on it. Shit, most of the new fans (which includes a majority of fans) were formerly WWE fans. That says about all that needs to be said about the new flock of fans.
the wwe was nothing but show and steroids made the show, not athleticism. just big muscles and fake, choreographed matches. steroids didn’t help athletes, it created fake ones in this case.
a real sport has been compromised in the name of financial success.
what is up with the tap out reality show on the vs. channel? those reps are the biggest douche bags i’ve ever seen, but they fit WWE interests perfectly.
it’s obvious that up and coming mma leagues are counting on cross over fans to make them. face paint, stupid afros and make believe persona’s… good tv, horrible sport.
it’s a shame to see the most pure and arguably oldest sport in the world (ancient roman style wrestling) go the way of promoters and money whores.
Damn good post.
Professional show wrestling is all about actors doing stunts and following storylines to entertain people. Hell, the shit started at carnivals, its supposed to be like a sideshow.
MMA is supposed to be real atheletes in real athletic competition.
Drama, face painting, funny costumes, etc, should stay out of MMA the same way actually trying to knock out your opponent should stay out of WWE.
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yep. to tell you the truth, i do like how some of the fighters are developed in the reality shows, but i dislike the over the top shenanigans. it makes it almost un-fun to watch and really gives the sport a bad name. it could be boxing when it was at it’s hey day, or it could be for WWE type dumbasses to walk around with huge beer guts, mullets and UFC t-shirts on, making other UFC fans douche bags by association. that would really suck.
i hope dana white fixes his show (though i bet spike has more to do with the drama than white)and that he continues promoting the sport as a sport. though the new fan base does suck, if white continues his style of promotion, at least mma will retain some of it’s original points of interest and new fans will come around to it.
the tap out guys suck ass though, which is unfortunate because a lot of the money is in the sponsorships.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
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Drama, face painting, funny costumes, etc, should stay out of MMA the same way actually trying to knock out your opponent should stay out of WWE.
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Nothing wrong with guys wearing makeup.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Hopefully this will give people a more realistic perspective and people will see truth behind some of Dana Whites hype.
??? The fight had nothing to do with Dana White, it was in K-1 Hero’s. I’m not following.[/quote]
I didn’t think I was going to have to explain this. I live in America and the person we see on tv over here telling everyone that mma is the ultimate in martial arts is Dana.
If you ever watch any pride, k1 or ufc you will see that there is a very narrow range of people who are able to do that. You have to be incredibly fit and strong. You have to be young, willing to ruin your health and not have any concern about your future.
Not everyone is like that. Some people care about their health. Some people have responsibilities like a family to take care of and all they want to do is learn how to defend themslves so they can protect their health and be there for their family.
In street self defense, if you are smart you are not out to prove anything, merely surviving is a success, running away and not getting hurt at all would be a major success.
In k1 ufc pride on the other hand you are out to prove something, and merely making it out of the ring alive is not a success, you must beat that other guy. Anything less is not a success. Running away for three or four rounds and not getting a scratch on you would be a humiliating failure.
The difference is this, in self defense there is no ego, prize fighting is all about ego. The goals are different and measures of success are different so stratagies need to be different as a result.
So it isn’t exactly right to say that prize fighting is the ultimate form of martial arts. When all is said and done prize fighting is merely entertainment, self defense is life or death.
It’s philisophical shit. I’m sorry I said anything I didn’t really want to write this much.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
texasguy wrote:
mma was much cooler before dana white and spike tv got ahold of it.
Agreed. It’s too popular. Now everyone has an opinion on it. Shit, most of the new fans (which includes a majority of fans) were formerly WWE fans. That says about all that needs to be said about the new flock of fans.[/quote]
This is somewhat what I was trying to say. Thanks to Dana and the media exposure he has, there are a lot of people who have a new interest in martial arts. They have a very narrow perspective of what the arts are all about that is based solely on prize fighting competitions.
I don’t see how the marketing of the UFC is hurting MMA at all. What was so great abut it when it was underground? Did you think you were part of some cool fight club like group? It’s a sport and now that it’s more popular more fighters can afford to join.
With the rise in popularity the UFC and other groups are able to pay larger sums of money to the fighters, and to more fighters, which in turn is allowing people support themselves with it. When the fighters can support themselves with the money they win fighting they no longer need second jobs and can train much more thus producing a lot more top notch fighters.
How is this bad? Sure you have to deal with a bunch of idiots voicing their thoughts online but you have enabled more fighters to not only support themselves with the sport they love, but also to improve the talent of the sport as a whole.
I think the only people really bitching are the ones pissed off that there’s so much more talent out there that they are starting to lose their fights.
As for the fights being fixed, I doubt too many people would go out there and take a real beating to the face, not to mention to their pride, for any amount of money. When comparing MMA to the WWF remember, the punched in the UFC are real.
[quote]texasguy wrote:
what is up with the tap out reality show on the vs. channel? those reps are the biggest douche bags i’ve ever seen, but they fit WWE interests perfectly.
[/quote]
I agree that the Tapout show sucks, but let’s not get carried away with linking them to the newbie TUF fans who spilled over from WWE programming.
The Tapout guys were suppporting MMA athletes and hanging out at MMA shows long before MMA became the next big thing. Say what you want about their dorky attire and goofy behavior, but don’t belittle them as ‘johnny come lately’ bandwagon jumpers.
Tapout was one the few companies out there who supported the sport during the dark years, and unlike many MMA ‘fans’ their support was cash-based, not youtube and torrent download based.
The Tapout guys may be total dorks, but they are total dorks who helped keep MMA alive in the pre-TUF era.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
RickyBobby wrote:
Best comment so far…
“he tested positive for a pretty serious steroid, nandrolone. Bodybuilders use that shit.”
That Sherdog thread is some of the dumbest shit I have ever read.
I read some other threads. There was so much stupidity there (and Brock Lesnar nut-hugging) that I was literally angered.
Thank goodness T-Nation has not fully embraced the MMA crowd. I could not imagine how to shit this forum would go if these people came over en masse. [/quote]
Sherdog is awful. mma.tv is bad sometimes but not on the sherdog level.
When roids come up on mma boards many of the guys turn into idiots.
At the same time though a lot of T-Nation turns to idiots when the subject of mma or fighting comes up so it’s all good.
hahaha
MMA may not be the ultimate form of martial arts but it a lot more practical than most martial arts (BJJ excluded)
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
I don’t see how the marketing of the UFC is hurting MMA at all. What was so great abut it when it was underground? Did you think you were part of some cool fight club like group? It’s a sport and now that it’s more popular more fighters can afford to join.
With the rise in popularity the UFC and other groups are able to pay larger sums of money to the fighters, and to more fighters, which in turn is allowing people support themselves with it. When the fighters can support themselves with the money they win fighting they no longer need second jobs and can train much more thus producing a lot more top notch fighters.
How is this bad? Sure you have to deal with a bunch of idiots voicing their thoughts online but you have enabled more fighters to not only support themselves with the sport they love, but also to improve the talent of the sport as a whole.
I think the only people really bitching are the ones pissed off that there’s so much more talent out there that they are starting to lose their fights.
[/quote]
I second this.
[quote]texasguy wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
RickyBobby wrote:
Best comment so far…
“he tested positive for a pretty serious steroid, nandrolone. Bodybuilders use that shit.”
That Sherdog thread is some of the dumbest shit I have ever read.
I read some other threads. There was so much stupidity there (and Brock Lesnar nut-hugging) that I was literally angered.
Thank goodness T-Nation has not fully embraced the MMA crowd. I could not imagine how to shit this forum would go if these people came over en masse.
mma was much cooler before dana white and spike tv got ahold of it. [/quote]
I disagree. IMO, Dana/Fertittas have helped grow the sport and MMA has evolved enormously since the days of Gracie/Severn.
A lot of the UFC’s incredible growth and success is due to a rapidly expanding fan base who become interested in MMA through mediums such as TUF.
Sure, with the growing popularity you have to deal with an increasing amount of noobs who are borderline retarded but I think it is a small price to pay in the overall scheme of things.
Without Dana/Fertittas acquisition of Pride, we would not have near the # of potential superfights we have today (i.e. Wandy/Chuck, Shogun/Chuck, Shogun/Rampage 2, AA/Fedor, Mirko/Fedor 2, Couture/Fedor, Gomi/Penn 2, Vera/Shogun).
On a side note–I do fucking hate that Pride is adopting UFC rules (banning soccer kicks/stomps and allowing elbows).
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Hopefully this will give people a more realistic perspective and people will see truth behind some of Dana Whites hype.
??? The fight had nothing to do with Dana White, it was in K-1 Hero’s. I’m not following.
I didn’t think I was going to have to explain this. I live in America and the person we see on tv over here telling everyone that mma is the ultimate in martial arts is Dana.
If you ever watch any pride, k1 or ufc you will see that there is a very narrow range of people who are able to do that. You have to be incredibly fit and strong. You have to be young, willing to ruin your health and not have any concern about your future.
Not everyone is like that. Some people care about their health. Some people have responsibilities like a family to take care of and all they want to do is learn how to defend themslves so they can protect their health and be there for their family.
In street self defense, if you are smart you are not out to prove anything, merely surviving is a success, running away and not getting hurt at all would be a major success.
In k1 ufc pride on the other hand you are out to prove something, and merely making it out of the ring alive is not a success, you must beat that other guy. Anything less is not a success. Running away for three or four rounds and not getting a scratch on you would be a humiliating failure.
The difference is this, in self defense there is no ego, prize fighting is all about ego. The goals are different and measures of success are different so stratagies need to be different as a result.
So it isn’t exactly right to say that prize fighting is the ultimate form of martial arts. When all is said and done prize fighting is merely entertainment, self defense is life or death.
It’s philisophical shit. I’m sorry I said anything I didn’t really want to write this much.[/quote]
OK, I agree that prize fighting is not the same as fighting on the street. But why would Royce getting caught using deca enlighten people as to this fact? I see no connection. MMA is entertainment. Dana White is an entertainment promoter. People watch MMA to be entertained.
Basically you sound bitter that MMA is popular, and if dragging the face of the sport through the mud makes you feel more secure about your own philosiphies then knock yourself out I guess.
Not to take things totally off topic here, but you do realize that the UFC became profitable only after Dana White got his weekly TV on Spike and basically started promoting using tried and true pro wrestling formulas, only with a real fight as a payoff? Watch any pre-PPV Countdown show: tell me they are not building heels and faces among the competitors.
And TUF does this as well — that show turned Tito into the face for his series of fights against Shamrock, who they turned into a heel. Tito has since turned himself back into a heel, but that’s besides the point.
Hate on the “WWE-ization” of UFC all you want, but with the money they are generating at the moment, it’s not going away.
[quote]RickyBobby wrote:
On a side note–I do fucking hate that Pride is adopting UFC rules (banning soccer kicks/stomps and allowing elbows). [/quote]
I’m pretty sure Pride is no more. With each passing day, it is looking more and more likely that Zuffa is going to scrap the Pride brand the same way they did the WFA brand.
[quote]Steve4192 wrote:
RickyBobby wrote:
On a side note–I do fucking hate that Pride is adopting UFC rules (banning soccer kicks/stomps and allowing elbows).
I’m pretty sure Pride is no more. With each passing day, it is looking more and more likely that Zuffa is going to scrap the Pride brand the same way they did the WFA brand.[/quote]
Pride is dead, and will remain so until Zuffa can get it back on network TV in Japan. Does not appear to be a high priority for them at the moment.
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
I don’t see how the marketing of the UFC is hurting MMA at all. What was so great abut it when it was underground? Did you think you were part of some cool fight club like group? It’s a sport and now that it’s more popular more fighters can afford to join.
With the rise in popularity the UFC and other groups are able to pay larger sums of money to the fighters, and to more fighters, which in turn is allowing people support themselves with it. When the fighters can support themselves with the money they win fighting they no longer need second jobs and can train much more thus producing a lot more top notch fighters.
How is this bad? Sure you have to deal with a bunch of idiots voicing their thoughts online but you have enabled more fighters to not only support themselves with the sport they love, but also to improve the talent of the sport as a whole.
I think the only people really bitching are the ones pissed off that there’s so much more talent out there that they are starting to lose their fights.
As for the fights being fixed, I doubt too many people would go out there and take a real beating to the face, not to mention to their pride, for any amount of money. When comparing MMA to the WWF remember, the punched in the UFC are real.[/quote]
nobody felt like they were part of an underground club. the rules were more lax, you had more contrast between the fighter’s skills and areas of study which made analyzing the fights more fun and the fights were just more exciting in general. you also had fighters fighting multiple times per night so you got more bang for your buck, plus the fighters had to be conditioned enough to last.
many positive aspects have been lost in the name of promotion and mainstreaming for profit, but new fans don’t know that because they tend to think the Spike show started it all. most people at the bars those first few seasons were like “who the hell are the coaches and why do they think they are so special? i’ve never heard of them…”. funny and ridiculous at the same time.
you are creating a new issue out of assumptions. nobody is saying it’s bad for fighters to earn money or improve, people are complaining about the influx of new fans who, for the most part, are douche bags just doing the cool new thing. for many of them, mma is a proxy abercrombie and fitch, hurley or 50 Cent. overly hyped bull shit.
the people bitching are the people who have been mma fans since before it was the trendy sport to talk about, who actually are fans of the competition rather than the hype, who know what holds are being executed and what to expect in return and are the people who actually get it in general.
they are also the people who are tired of schmucks thinking they are bad asses becauses they can list five UFC fighters and picked a few fights in high school, then come in to the gyms and suck ass, which wastes everybody elses training time.