[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I actually think Hatton would do better than Floyd in that fight.[/quote]
So you just have to point out an Irishman would do better at beating up a woman don’t you?
In Ernest:
I think the real answer/pick is “Who is a decent pro with a wrestling background?” Doesn’t have to be Mayweather or even Hatton level. Just someone who is TV/undercard level and was a good wrestler through high school/junior college or military.
Sento mentioned Liddell as a striker who learned to grapple, but I think he is a better example of someone with a decent wrestling base using it to let him crush guys with striking. Cro Cop would be my pick for accomplished striker turned MMA god with the addition of BJJ and a sprawl.
Seriously, just some wrestling and my answer to the question of “Can a pro boxer beat up a much, much lighter , but skilled, MMA practitioner?” would read different.
I’m not completely sure if Chuck was a striker or wrestler first. If I get a chance to attend, I’ll ask John Hackelman next time he comes to Prof Mondelli’s school.
Either way though, I think him and Cro Cop are good examples of guys who primarily liked to strike and used grappling skills to keep the fight standing. Anderson is actually another good example, but he was more well rounded to begin with I think.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I’m not completely sure if Chuck was a striker or wrestler first. If I get a chance to attend, I’ll ask John Hackelman next time he comes to Prof Mondelli’s school.
Either way though, I think him and Cro Cop are good examples of guys who primarily liked to strike and used grappling skills to keep the fight standing. Anderson is actually another good example, but he was more well rounded to begin with I think. [/quote]
I believe from an old interview that Chuck was a karate guy first. When I really got into MMA, Chuck was one of my favorites because he was a striker that happened to have great take down defense. Perfect combo to me at the time.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I actually think Hatton would do better than Floyd in that fight.[/quote]
So you just have to point out an Irishman would do better at beating up a woman don’t you?
In Ernest:
I think the real answer/pick is “Who is a decent pro with a wrestling background?” Doesn’t have to be Mayweather or even Hatton level. Just someone who is TV/undercard level and was a good wrestler through high school/junior college or military.
Sento mentioned Liddell as a striker who learned to grapple, but I think he is a better example of someone with a decent wrestling base using it to let him crush guys with striking. Cro Cop would be my pick for accomplished striker turned MMA god with the addition of BJJ and a sprawl.
Seriously, just some wrestling and my answer to the question of “Can a pro boxer beat up a much, much lighter , but skilled, MMA practitioner?” would read different.
Regards,
Robert A
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I agree, if Mayweather was idk a state champ in wrestling or something akin to that then, his chances go up infinitely and I’d favor him, but it’s just not the case. The thing about strikers being able to defend the takedown is that it’s really random. I’d add Cung Le to the discussion, he has a solid wrestling base, which allowed him to excel in San Shou.
Definitely, Cung Le is another great example. Also, even though he never really lived up to expectations, Brandon Vera would be another example of a guy who used his wrestling so he could keep it on the feet and strike.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Definitely, Cung Le is another great example. Also, even though he never really lived up to expectations, Brandon Vera would be another example of a guy who used his wrestling so he could keep it on the feet and strike.[/quote]
Damn it, you mentioned Vera.
I still pick him to win every time. I can’t help myself. On paper he looks designed to win MMA belts. I keep thinking he should be a better, more technical Cane. Instead he is a second rate at best Keith Jardine.
I am pretty sure Chuck wrestled in high school, but I don’t know when he started martial arts.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I feel like I am in some kind of alternate reality where zecarlo is posting about how useless BJJ/grappling is against bigger people with no training and you and I are talking against the footwork and timing that is developed in boxing.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
It’s not exactly that but rather I am sticking to the given conditions: mma rules, male boxer (one of the best ever) vs a female bronze medal winning judoka (which does not make her one of the best Judokas ever).
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Definitely, Cung Le is another great example. Also, even though he never really lived up to expectations, Brandon Vera would be another example of a guy who used his wrestling so he could keep it on the feet and strike.[/quote]
Damn it, you mentioned Vera.
I still pick him to win every time. I can’t help myself. On paper he looks designed to win MMA belts. I keep thinking he should be a better, more technical Cane. Instead he is a second rate at best Keith Jardine.
I am pretty sure Chuck wrestled in high school, but I don’t know when he started martial arts.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Chuck was a D1 wrestler in college.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
I feel like I am in some kind of alternate reality where zecarlo is posting about how useless BJJ/grappling is against bigger people with no training and you and I are talking against the footwork and timing that is developed in boxing.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
It’s not exactly that but rather I am sticking to the given conditions: mma rules, male boxer (one of the best ever) vs a female bronze medal winning judoka (which does not make her one of the best Judokas ever).
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But it still makes her a crap load better at the clinch, takedowns, and submissions. Oh yeah, and she’s also the undefeated Women’s MMA champ, and it’s an MMA fight, which gives her the experience advantage.
Also, while Floyd is arguably one of the best boxers ever, his style is poorly suited to MMA. He also has only 3 first round TKO’s and only 1 first round KO, so it’s not like he is Archie Moore or Young Otto and is a KO machine and is likely to KO Ronda with just any punch.
