[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This Voodoo feller is turning out to be quite the preacher.[/quote]
Have I offended you?
I’m sorry for any negative impact I may have had on your day.
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Yeah, I’m crushed. Simply crushed.
Cannot for the life of me believe someone (actually just another atheist college student yayhoo) would preach the gospel of atheism here on PWI. It’s the first time this has ever happened. Thanks for the mea culpa, sport.[/quote]
Mea maxima culpa, deus tibi benedicas.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
…Lets focus on the wonderful potential that Atheism has for human compassion and advancement, religions such as Buddhism and Humanism are amazing institutions that breed wonderful human beings for the most part…
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Gonna pull a Makavali and LOL.[/quote]
Atheism in and of itself has no potential for human compassion and advancement. Being an atheist is no guarantee of compassion or intelligence. And Buddhism is not a form of atheism. If you think that, you know nothing of actual Buddhism.
So to reiterate what Push just said - LOL.[/quote]
Just as theism in and of itself has no potential for human compassion and advancement. I don’t see your point?
As for your other point. it’s practically semantics.
Would you prefer I said non-theistic instead of atheistic?
Do I really need to mention Pantheism as well?
As for you’re point about Buddhism in theory and Buddhism in practice, just, LOL.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Makavali, I’m not well versed on Buddhism, so if you want to further explain your position about Buddhism not being a form of atheism go ahead.
But from the definition I’ve seen, I think some of them fall into the atheist category since they do not think the Buddha is a deity.[/quote]
Buddha a really smart dude who discovered these spiritual connections. They are technically agnostic, they simply do not ask the question. They aren’t interested in the answer. Being satisfied with what they do know is good enough. That in itself takes patience and exercise. Westerners are far less patient, and are never satisfied…BUT our philosophical explorations go further than theirs. Yeah, we know it’s all connected to, we know that metaphysics is a separate entity and is the realm of reality, yes we know the answers are beyond our senses, we want to know, what it is, where it comes from, how it came to be, etc. ‘Just is’ doesn’t work and will never work.[/quote]
You realize that the only logical end is “it just is?”
For instance, let me pose you a question, why is your god, god?
He just is.
If you were able to answer that question, I could just ask why again.
Eventually, somewhere down the line, it just comes down to this is all here, because it can’t not be.
It just is.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
How about knocking off the ridiculous hypotheticals? [/quote]
How about you stop being a coward. These aren’t hard questions. I haven’t even touched the hard questions and I think that’s what scares you. You don’t know where I’m going with this (you can claim you do if that makes you feel better) so act like you’re above discussing the fringe points of your morality to avoid the problem.
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No, they are not hard questions, they are stupid questions. I won’t indulge your little fantasy or fall into the trap you think you can set for me. I know what comes next. You’re not breaking any new ground.
What do you know about the Amalekites? What do you know about Saul? Have you ever read the bible? I am betting not. I really can’t be bothered to discuss the bible with someone whose never read it. And you think I am retarded? I ain’t trying to make a point about a book I never read, you are. Call me all the names you like, but that ain’t gonna change the fact that you don’t know what the hell your talking about. I typically don’t discuss scripture with Atheists/ Agnostics, but I will make an exception if you’ve read it. If you haven’t read the bible, don’t waste my time discussing it. You have to have an understanding about the bible to understand the make up of it, what it says and why. Somebody who hasn’t read it, cannot do that.
Oh deary me, that’s not a strawman, it’s an ad hominem. Don’t toss out logical fallacies if you don’t know what they mean.
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God is your supreme ruler, is he not? It’s absolutely reasonable for someone like me to want to gauge the level of homicide people like you are willing to stoop to in order to get into heaven. Would you stop at Hitler? I suppose if God himself commanded it, you would kill an entire people, men, women, children, nobles and livestock. That must be why you’re so opposed to answering. You try so hard to make your ideology not look insane, there’s just no way you can throw that all away now; Not for something as fleeting as honesty.
And if you can’t even answer such a simple question, don’t be surprised when you fail to convince anyone to join your team. I know I surely wouldn’t join a religion with such ambiguous stances on murder and genocide. Your religion is dying, Pat. Sooner or later, you’re going to have to lay your cards on the table.
I see you’ve decided to adhere to part 4 of the “Pushharder” method of debate. [/quote]
Whatever, you want to try and make something out of nothing, which is a typical atheistic tenet. You’re just trying to entrap me, that’s all. I ain’t falling for it. “Hey what if God asked you to do the opposite of what he is asking you to do?”
What if is started raining pianos? It’s a simple question. Dumb as shit, but simple.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Quit leading, what is it you really want to know? I think we have been more than accommodating with our answers so long as the questions are easy and don’t pose the risk of revealing any contradictions in my philosophy.[/quote]
Fixed.[/quote]
You can’t poke holes in my shit… You don’t know what I believe or know and you never will because I’m too much of a chicken-shit to even face the possibility that I’m wrong. You will lose because I will rage quite and that means I win.[/quote]
Fixed.
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Oh maybe if I change his words and introduce ad hominems, he’ll play my retarded game!!
Do you have anything other to discuss than “What if dog really meant cat?”
What if, like, my parents were all, like, mean and they raised me to be, like, mean. Then I’d be mean.
What if I was raised to inherent my pappa’s slave trading ships and company. I’d be like a slave trader.
Like, what if stuff was happening, instead of the stuff that is, or we believed other stuff besides the stuff we believe now, and like stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
[quote]pat wrote:
No, they are not hard questions, they are stupid questions. I won’t indulge your little fantasy or fall into the trap you think you can set for me. I know what comes next. You’re not breaking any new ground.
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Well I can’t exactly take your word for it, now can I?
LOL! I absolutely LOVE how you completely shut down and completely avoided my argument so you could, instead, assert/imply that I haven’t read the bible EIGHT TIMES. You are a true weasel.
This paragraph here reeks of desperation. You are grasping at any reason you can find to simply write me off. Guess what? I read the bible. You know what I found? A book about a very egotistical kid sitting over top an ant hill while holding a magnifying glass. If you choose to follow this kid’s edicts, fine, but to what extent? He is your all powerful ruler, so to what extent will you obey him? If YOU were Saul, would you kill all the Amalekites? Do you approve of God’s order to kill them all, even the children and livestock? (<< if you respond to nothing else in this post, respond to this. This is really all I care about here)
No, it’s a straw-man in that my positions don’t come from some atheist site. It’s also an ad-hominem in that you’re actively writing off my arguments based on this, but the fact that it also isn’t true makes it a straw-man.
Interesting that you’d so casually call yourself out on the ad-hominem though, as it implies you intentionally used a logical fallacy. You’re a dishonest person, Pat. In the eyes of God, that’s a paddlin’
Better get praying.
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Whatever, you want to try and make something out of nothing, which is a typical atheistic tenet. You’re just trying to entrap me, that’s all. I ain’t falling for it. “Hey what if God asked you to do the opposite of what he is asking you to do?”
What if is started raining pianos? It’s a simple question. Dumb as shit, but simple.[/quote]
Another beautiful example of your adept weaselling. I almost fell for your attempt to obfuscate the issue by bringing it back to “tenants”.
I’m not asking “what If God asked you to do the opposite of what he is asking you to do?”, I’m asking to what extent you would obey him. God has commanded killing before. If you really don’t think he would do that now, then put yourself in Saul’s position. What do you do?
[quote]pat wrote:
Oh maybe if I hurrrrr durrrrrr dur-de-durrrrrrr hurrr.
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This isn’t a “fixed*”, this is just how this post read to me.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What if, like, my parents were all, like, mean and they raised me to be, like, mean. Then I’d be mean.
What if I was raised to inherent my pappa’s slave trading ships and company. I’d be like a slave trader.
Like, what if stuff was happening, instead of the stuff that is, or we believed other stuff besides the stuff we believe now, and like stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy[/quote]
I’m getting the impression that you WOULD commit genocide at God’s will.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
No, they are not hard questions, they are stupid questions. I won’t indulge your little fantasy or fall into the trap you think you can set for me. I know what comes next. You’re not breaking any new ground.
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Well I can’t exactly take your word for it, now can I?
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Don’t care.
You think that asshat question was an argument? An argument requires at least one premise and a conclusion. You asked a question, that’s not an argument.
Second, not having read the bible is a huge problem when discussing the bible. Do you frequently ask people questions about subject matter you don’t know? I will keep drilling the fact that if you want to know the bible you have to read the bible. You little atheists got this ridiculous idea that you can discuss, malign, inquire, and conclude shit about a book you never read. Under any other circumstance with any other book you’d be laughed out of the building. For some reason you lot think that they bible is exempt, that you don’t have to read it to know what it says or some kind of bullshit like that. I am and will keep hammering the point home, you got no business discussing a book, or subject matter for that matter, that you don’t know shit about.
You want people to take you seriously but you approach a subject you don’t understand about a book you never read and act like you are some kind of expert?
You want to know what it says, read it. It ain’t my job to give you a summary.
A person who has actually read the bible, would display some sort of knowledge of it, which you lack. So you are lying. You’re simply trying to set up a scenario where I would say ‘yes’ so then you can pass some sort of ad hoc judgement on me, or Christians in general. The problem is, is that you don’t really know what the fuck your talking about. I have seen this set up before.
No matter how bad you want it to be a strawman, it’s not a strawman. Second, you actually haven’t made an argument. You’re trying to get me to say something you want me to say and maybe then you will present one, but as of now you haven’t made an argument. You asked a question, which is not an argument. You’re dropping ad hominems like their hot, so what? You haven’t made an argument though, so it would be impossible for me to have countered with a fallacious logical error.
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Whatever, you want to try and make something out of nothing, which is a typical atheistic tenet. You’re just trying to entrap me, that’s all. I ain’t falling for it. “Hey what if God asked you to do the opposite of what he is asking you to do?”
What if is started raining pianos? It’s a simple question. Dumb as shit, but simple.[/quote]
Another beautiful example of your adept weaselling. I almost fell for your attempt to obfuscate the issue by bringing it back to “tenants”.
I’m not asking “what If God asked you to do the opposite of what he is asking you to do?”, I’m asking to what extent you would obey him. God has commanded killing before. If you really don’t think he would do that now, then put yourself in Saul’s position. What do you do?[/quote]
When you understand the whole story, let me know. Then we can discuss Saul. Like I said, I don’t discuss scripture with atheists because you don’t know it. You can mine it for scraps that are out of context, but you don’t know the subject matter. Since you don’t know the subject matter, you have no way of having a rational discussion on the matter.
I know a set up when I see one, I am not falling for it.
You can keep trying, but I am not playing your game.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What if, like, my parents were all, like, mean and they raised me to be, like, mean. Then I’d be mean.
What if I was raised to inherent my pappa’s slave trading ships and company. I’d be like a slave trader.
Like, what if stuff was happening, instead of the stuff that is, or we believed other stuff besides the stuff we believe now, and like stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy[/quote]
I’m getting the impression that you WOULD commit genocide at God’s will. [/quote]
I love the fake outrage.
5.4 million people killed in the second congolese war, where is your care?
800,000 people killed in Rwanda genocide, do you give a shit? Where’s your out rage?
1 million thought to have been killed by Saddam, do you care?
I could go on and on…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What if, like, my parents were all, like, mean and they raised me to be, like, mean. Then I’d be mean.
What if I was raised to inherent my pappa’s slave trading ships and company. I’d be like a slave trader.
Like, what if stuff was happening, instead of the stuff that is, or we believed other stuff besides the stuff we believe now, and like stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy[/quote]
I’m getting the impression that you WOULD commit genocide at God’s will. [/quote]
I love the fake outrage.
5.4 million people killed in the second congolese war, where is your care?
800,000 people killed in Rwanda genocide, do you give a shit? Where’s your out rage?
1 million thought to have been killed by Saddam, do you care?
I could go on and on…[/quote]
I ignored in him an earlier thread. You don’t claim to have the read the bible extensively, yet insist we’re supposed to follow Mosaic law on diet, attire, etc. It’s an often repeated attack by atheist bible/christianity experts which only demonstrates that they’re anything but.
[quote]pat wrote:
See, no you didn’t and you don’t know shit about Saul… So you want me to discuss with you something you do not know and understand?[/quote]
Saul was ordered by God to commit genocide against the Amalekites. When he refused to kill the livestock and king Agag, God punished him by taking away his kingdom. True or false, Pat? This isn’t a hard question.
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You think that asshat question was an argument? An argument requires at least one premise and a conclusion. You asked a question, that’s not an argument. [/quote]
You said God doesn’t command killing. I’m giving you an example of God commanding GENOCIDE, then taking away a man’s kingdom for not doing a good enough job. << Is this NOT an argument to you?
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Second, not having read the bible is a huge problem when discussing the bible. [/quote]
I agree. Good thing I’ve read the bible. Next issue.
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A person who has actually read the bible, would display some sort of knowledge of it, which you lack. So you are lying. You’re simply trying to set up a scenario where I would say ‘yes’ so then you can pass some sort of ad hoc judgement on me, or Christians in general. The problem is, is that you don’t really know what the fuck your talking about. I have seen this set up before. [/quote]
What exactly are you basing this assertion that I haven’t read the bible on? You say I don’t seem to have any understanding of it, but you give absolutely no justification for this statement. the only thing you have to go on is that I don’t agree with you, which means you seem to think that I couldn’t have read the bible, otherwise we would agree with each other… which is circular logic.
Also, you’re a little off on what you think I’m trying to do here.
I’m convinced that every time you post, a real philosopher dies.
There’s so much wrong here, it’s not worth getting into. Moving on.
LOL @ “out of context”. In what context is this story NOT an example of God asking a man to commit genocide? Stop pretending to be sitting on some great insight that turns this story into the opposite of what it reads as. I’m calling your bluff. There’s no trap to fall for. Your refusal to comment tells me everything I need to know.
Just in case you were curious, this is the situation as I see it;
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God has commanded killing before. There’s no “if and or buts” about it. You just don’t want to admit this because that would be the same as 1. admitting you were wrong and 2. admitting you worship a cruel, immoral figure.
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You WOULDN’T kill, even at God’s orders. Now, you can’t say this because that would mean you aren’t much of a Christian. It also implies that you don’t really believe in your God. But, you also can’t deny this, because that means you’re insane and should be locked up with every other homicidal lunatic.
Just a side note: no, this isn’t the “end game” point I was trying to make here. I do, in fact, have follow up questions depending on how your answer. Believe it or not, I don’t care about making you look wrong or crazy. I just don’t care about you that much, but you are a catholic and you have put a lot of thought into your Catholicism (I would say a matter of quantity over quality, but w/e). I am legitimately curious as to whether modern day Christians would kill at the will of God and if they would follow out God’s edicts if put in the position of, say, Saul.
I’m going to ask this question again. If you were in Saul’s shoes, would you obey God’s command? Would you do as Saul did and spare the King and livestock? Would you simply refuse?
[quote]pat wrote:
I love the fake outrage.
5.4 million people killed in the second congolese war, where is your care?
800,000 people killed in Rwanda genocide, do you give a shit? Where’s your out rage?
1 million thought to have been killed by Saddam, do you care?
I could go on and on…[/quote]
Outrage? I wasn’t aware that’s what I was trying to convey.
You’re just obfuscating the issue. I can’t possibly “care” about every mass killing done ever simultaneously. That doesn’t mean I’m okay with those cases. The positions of the people involved in the examples you’ve given are clear. I have no question in my mind that Saddam would kill for his God, for example. However, I want to know how a modern Catholic such as yourself deals with the issue. So far, ducking your head and covering your ears seems to be the go-to method.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
See, no you didn’t and you don’t know shit about Saul… So you want me to discuss with you something you do not know and understand?[/quote]
Saul was ordered by God to commit genocide against the Amalekites. When he refused to kill the livestock and king Agag, God punished him by taking away his kingdom. True or false, Pat? This isn’t a hard question.
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False. Saul did not kill an entire race or genus of people, nor did God tell him to.
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You didn’t first, second you never made an argument resembling that. Third, I never said God didn’t command killing, so you couldn’t have made the ‘argument’ your saying you did. Making shit up out of thin air doesn’t count as making an argument.
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Bullshit. If you did, you would know the bible and it’s very clear you don’t. If your going to lie then there’s no point in discussing anything with you. I have seen this type of attempt before, you are not making this up on your own. You got a cute little list of atheist talking points. Most likely call “Atrocities in the Bible” or some such crap.
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My ass. If I were to answer your idiotic question in either way, you’d jump on it and take shit out of context. If you cannot even be honest about reading the Bible, then you sure as shit ain’t going to discuss anything in an honest fashion.
You didn’t make an argument, period. And what I posted isn’t a strawman, you need to look up the definition and know how to use when you drop it. Chances are I am right anyway, you read a couple of pages on some silly atheist propaganda website and think you can now show up us silly Christians.
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LOL @ “out of context”. In what context is this story NOT an example of God asking a man to commit genocide? Stop pretending to be sitting on some great insight that turns this story into the opposite of what it reads as. I’m calling your bluff. There’s no trap to fall for. Your refusal to comment tells me everything I need to know.
Just in case you were curious, this is the situation as I see it;
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God has commanded killing before. There’s no “if and or buts” about it. You just don’t want to admit this because that would be the same as 1. admitting you were wrong and 2. admitting you worship a cruel, immoral figure.
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You WOULDN’T kill, even at God’s orders. Now, you can’t say this because that would mean you aren’t much of a Christian. It also implies that you don’t really believe in your God. But, you also can’t deny this, because that means you’re insane and should be locked up with every other homicidal lunatic.
Just a side note: no, this isn’t the “end game” point I was trying to make here. I do, in fact, have follow up questions depending on how your answer. Believe it or not, I don’t care about making you look wrong or crazy. I just don’t care about you that much, but you are a catholic and you have put a lot of thought into your Catholicism (I would say a matter of quantity over quality, but w/e). I am legitimately curious as to whether modern day Christians would kill at the will of God and if they would follow out God’s edicts if put in the position of, say, Saul.
I’m going to ask this question again. If you were in Saul’s shoes, would you obey God’s command? Would you do as Saul did and spare the King and livestock? Would you simply refuse? [/quote]
It’s a stupid question. I am not some trained monkey that will succumb to your whim. I read the bible and I know what it says and who did what. Discussing the bible with an atheist is pointless because if you don’t believe in God, the bible doesn’t make any sense. Second, you’ve been dropping ad hominem attacks simply because I am not playing your game and that’s all it is. You want me to take a position so you can point out how hypocritical, or inconsistent, or some other thing, that the bible is. If you read it, then all the stories would make sense. That’s how I know you haven’t read it. If you did, you wouldn’t be asking that question. It’s the same question that every other atheist on this board has attempted at some time. You think you can drop a few versus of scripture, send us in to a tizzy and go do a bunch of research that would take hours, to paste wall of words for you to mine and pick apart.
You want to discuss God’s existence, fine. You want to try and lay an argument out that he does not exist, fine. If you want to discuss general properties of God, fine. If you have questions about Catholicism, fine. But I won’t discuss the finer points of faith for somebody who doesn’t believe in God and just seeks to mock those who do. I am not feeding the troll.
Now, I consider this conversation over. So unless you have another question, or you actually are going to make an argument, go nuts.
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
I love the fake outrage.
5.4 million people killed in the second congolese war, where is your care?
800,000 people killed in Rwanda genocide, do you give a shit? Where’s your out rage?
1 million thought to have been killed by Saddam, do you care?
I could go on and on…[/quote]
Outrage? I wasn’t aware that’s what I was trying to convey.
You’re just obfuscating the issue. I can’t possibly “care” about every mass killing done ever simultaneously. That doesn’t mean I’m okay with those cases. The positions of the people involved in the examples you’ve given are clear. I have no question in my mind that Saddam would kill for his God, for example. However, I want to know how a modern Catholic such as yourself deals with the issue. So far, ducking your head and covering your ears seems to be the go-to method.[/quote]
Saddam was a secularist he killed people because they were in his way or just annoying him.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
What if, like, my parents were all, like, mean and they raised me to be, like, mean. Then I’d be mean.
What if I was raised to inherent my pappa’s slave trading ships and company. I’d be like a slave trader.
Like, what if stuff was happening, instead of the stuff that is, or we believed other stuff besides the stuff we believe now, and like stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, and stuff, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy[/quote]
I’m getting the impression that you WOULD commit genocide at God’s will. [/quote]
I love the fake outrage.
5.4 million people killed in the second congolese war, where is your care?
800,000 people killed in Rwanda genocide, do you give a shit? Where’s your out rage?
1 million thought to have been killed by Saddam, do you care?
I could go on and on…[/quote]
I ignored in him an earlier thread. You don’t claim to have the read the bible extensively, yet insist we’re supposed to follow Mosaic law on diet, attire, etc. It’s an often repeated attack by atheist bible/christianity experts which only demonstrates that they’re anything but.
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Well, I won’t put him on ignore, but I will further ignore this line of questioning. Now lets go beat some women like good little Christians, 'cause once in the bible somebody did that!
[quote]pat wrote:
False. Saul did not kill an entire race or genus of people, nor did God tell him to.
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First off, I’m cutting all your obfuscation bullshit out. I don’t have the time to join in on the semantics circle-jerk you’re trying to start.
Second, WTF? Okay, what exactly DID God tell Saul to do? Tickle them? I suppose they all just fell on Saul’s sword then…
EDIT* Oh, I see what game you’re playing. God only says to kill all the Amalekites in the Mitzvah, he didn’t say it to Saul personally. Also, Saul DIDN’T kill an entire genus of people, but only because, as I stated, he left the king alive, or maybe you’re referring to the few Amalekites who escaped? << These are the sort of loopholes only a true weasel could think of. Congratulations. It changes nothing, but congratulations nonetheless.
I doubt it. Since post #1 you haven’t stfu about how “pointless” you think this conversation is, yet you haven’t left.
You’re going to respond to this. You know it. I know it. Don’t bullshit me.
[quote]pat wrote:
Saddam was a secularist he killed people because they were in his way or just annoying him.[/quote]
Yeah, I guess all that “Sunni” stuff was just B.S.
You’ve discredited yourself here. As weak as it is, there are some signs that Hitler drifted from Christianity near the end of his life, but this is clearly just a case of you passing the hot potato and it leads me to believe you were simply doing the same with Hitler.