[quote]jaimeo wrote:
He may be huge, but lets be honest…could he run down a purse snatcher?
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No probably not, however your training needs to reflect your goals. Colemans training does this quite well!
If your goal is longevity, strength, speed and good cardio then don’t train, eat or take the drugs that Coleman does!
the highest physique goal is simple immortality.
j
lol
[quote]folly wrote:
Did we have to go there? Does he even carry a purse? And if he did, who would be stupid enough to snatch it? 
-folly
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HAHA! I could just picture him grabbing some guy that just stole a woman’s purse, putting the guy in the “back breaker” position across his traps and doing squats yelling, “YEAH BABY!!! LIGHT WEIGHT!” right there in front of everyone
LOL!
[quote]PtrDR wrote:
I keep having to remind detractors that Ronnie Coleman was a PRO, competing DRUG FREE and placing at the low end of the spectrum. That takes AWESOME genetics AND hard work, lots of power work for Ronnie to be specific. And when he did start using, he just pulled away from the pack.[/quote]
And you know this how? Is that what he told you? He always said he was natural, that does not mean it’s true. Bodybuilding being what it is and him being marketed as a bodybuilding Cop kina left him with no chioce but to state he was naturall even when unasked. I think as his monay increased so did the quality and size of his stack. Not to mention the free time allowed to train even more and rest even more and eat eat and eat, all these things together maximised his genetics. But i’ll never go out on a limb and actually say i believe he was HONESTLY natural.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
jaimeo wrote:
He may be huge, but lets be honest…could he run down a purse snatcher?
No probably not, however your training needs to reflect your goals. Colemans training does this quite well!
If your goal is longevity, strength, speed and good cardio then don’t train, eat or take the drugs that Coleman does!
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ZEB–
If you have the opportunity, read thread titled “When is Bodyweight To Much.”
You kind of got hung out there because you missed a week or two.
You will think it quite humorous, I’m sure, after reading.
[quote]counterfeitsoda wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
I don’t know how much stronger he could get. The guy is easily the strongest bodybuilder going. I’m not certain of his #s, but I believe he squats over 800 deads the same and benches 500 for reps.
To also remain a bb, I don’t see what more he can do. I’m not especially a fan of his for the world of bb, but I respect his amazing strength.
I’d be a little leary of throwing around, what appear to be, condescendinremarks about his strength and how he achieved it. That man has put alot of hard work into his body.
And just how many years of training do you have under your belt where you feel you have the right to qualify, the denegrate his training and results?
I didn’t see anything trying to take anything away from Ronnie Coleman in the post personally, all I seen was someone who asked a question about if it’d be possible for him to be bigger or not. I don’t know what kind of diet Ronnie Coleman has, I’ve never cared enough to try and find out, but I see it as a perfectly legitimate question.
Personally, even though I wasn’t interested before, I am kind of curious now. How great is his diet? Assuming it wasn’t the greatest, would he actually be able to make that much of a difference regardless even if he cleaned it up a ton? He just looks so huge to me, it’s hard to imagine him being able to put on much more mass no matter how much he cleaned it up.[/quote]
Show me how my answer differs much from yours.
Re-read the post and I see ‘purely’-genetics…‘buttload of steroids’.
I read it as somewhat assuming that with this person as coach Ronnie could do better.
I beg to differ.
If it’s my mistake–I’ sorry, but I don’t believe I am
I just found out I get to meet the freak himself at the GNC convention this year. Maybe I’ll challenge him to a posedown. (I’m 6ft 190lbs)
Pay attention to PtrDR’s comments. Dead on!
Actually i think that would be a great picture… i’d love to meet ronnie coleman and get a video of him squatting me that’d be funny ass shit.
LIGHTWEIGHT!!!
BOOOOOOOO!!!
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
poper wrote:
Hey all,
I’ve just watched one of Ronnie
I’d be a little leary of throwing around, what look like, Coleman’s videos and can see that most of his strength is purely from awesome genetics, a love for the sport, and a buttload of steroids.
However, his training parameters almost never change, his training variety is much lower than other bodybuilders,he eats far fewer meals than his competitors, including Jay Cutler, and his idea of a clean eating is 5 pounds of chicken bathed in BBQ sauce with another 5 pounds of french fries.
Hey whatever works, he’s on the top of his game. However, do you think Ronnie would be much bigger and stronger if he would change his exercise variety, and his eating habits?
just a thought
-poper
I don’t know how much stronger he could get. The guy is easily the strongest bodybuilder going. I’m not certain of his #s, but I believe he squats over 800 deads the same and benches 500 for reps.
To also remain a bb, I don’t see what more he can do. I’m not especially a fan of his for the world of bb, but I respect his amazing strength.
I’d be a little leary of throwing around, what appear to be, condescendinremarks about his strength and how he achieved it. That man has put alot of hard work into his body.
And just how many years of training do you have under your belt where you feel you have the right to qualify, the denegrate his training and results?[/quote]
johnnie jackson’s strength can be compared to ronnie coleman’s. i think jackson deadlifted 815 at an exibition once. i also heard that jackson challenged ronnie coleman to a powerlifting contest but i dont think coleman ever replied. did anyone hear about this?
Yeah Johnnie Jackson is the man. He went to the same highschool as I did.
By the way, I didn’t mean to detract any of Ronnie’s accomplishments by critiquing his diet. From reading what is packed into all the experts’ kitchens here at T-Nation and all the science that backs it up, I was simply wondering if there was a possibility to make a “super ronnie.” I’m all for seeing Ronnie Gain 30 more pounds of solid muscle.
You guys try to bite my head off.
-poper
[quote]Gregus wrote:
PtrDR wrote:
I keep having to remind detractors that Ronnie Coleman was a PRO, competing DRUG FREE and placing at the low end of the spectrum. That takes AWESOME genetics AND hard work, lots of power work for Ronnie to be specific. And when he did start using, he just pulled away from the pack.
And you know this how? Is that what he told you? He always said he was natural, that does not mean it’s true. Bodybuilding being what it is and him being marketed as a bodybuilding Cop kina left him with no chioce but to state he was naturall even when unasked. I think as his monay increased so did the quality and size of his stack. Not to mention the free time allowed to train even more and rest even more and eat eat and eat, all these things together maximised his genetics. But i’ll never go out on a limb and actually say i believe he was HONESTLY natural.
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Of course I cannot know “personally” if he was natural, but when he was under contract with “MetRx”…remember that??..he was subject to random steroid testing. And then compare his physique from then to now. He shot up pretty quickly once he was done with “drug free” bodybuilding. He has the same nutrition…rest and steroids at his disposal as the rest of they guys…trust me…I personally advised Troy Alves on the use of insulin back in 96 in Phoenix when I lived there…I know the scene bro…
Ronnie coleman is not a dot your i’s cross your t’s lifter(as you may have seen form his vids). He just works very very hard, and it pays off. Sometimes its not about 100% perfect form and diet but about putting in the time effort and energy to make “it” work.
Well, after all of the posts that I have heard about him. I decided to go pick up a vid of his. “the Unbelievable”. If I am not mistaken it was 2001.
So I am curious. Since I don’t keep up on the BB “scene”. When did he supposedly start using? From what I am getting out of some peoples opinions he was natural then started using? Also is he still with the PD? If I am not mistaken a PD would test him for this. I am not meaning to sound condescending but from what I have gathered in the MANY posts about him here, everyone just seems to blast the guy.
Dr. Banner:
Coleman “retired” from the Arlington PD shortly after The Unbelievable was made.
Remember, to echo what PtrDR said, EVERYONE has access to basically the same stacks. Why aren’t they all as strong as Ronnie? He’s some sort of freak, plain and simple. Though Johnny Jackson vs. Ronnie in a full, 3-lift PL competition would be kind of cool to see… I’ve often wondered how Ronnie would do if he trained for PL
Ronnie used to be a PLer, although I have no idea what his numbers were.
If he quit BBing and concnetrated purely on powerlifting then surely he could compete with the best in the world?