
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
Slytherin:
Traditionalism
Resourcefulness
Cunning
Ambition
Leadership qualities
Self-Preservation
Shrewdness
Determination
Certain Disregard to rules
Intelligence
Seeds of Greatness
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Bah, the best Slytherin ever was a fat, cowardly social climber who never really achieved anything except to bask in the glory of others. It’s down hill from there for the rest of them. [/quote]
Its all your point of view.
Thought I will add Merlin is a Slytherin.
Yup, Slughorn was so cowardly that he went toe to toe with Voldemort in the final battle, what a coward.
And Snape, such a coward that he played double agent to the point that literally everyone wanted him dead, yet he continued to play the role required of him.
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Dude Snape was insane, he was so fixated on Lily that he tried to “buy” her for the price of her dead husband and son, after his willing participation with a genocidal hate group ended up threatening her life. When that failed he ran to Dumbledore who told him he “disgusted him”, thats the same Dumbledore who forgave everybody for everything. Then Snape remained so fixated on a dead man’s wife that he tore apart a picture of their family so he wouldn’t have to see her husband and child when he looked at the picture. To top it off he was needlessly cruel to children who had no connection to him in any way. Thats one effed up guy.
As for Slughorn, he fought Voldemort with Kingsley and McGonnogall with makes him just as brave as any number of 14-17 year old kids and like I said, he was he best Slytherin that we see in the novels.[/quote]
Ill just point out the best named Slytherin. Only a few are named.
You are correct in saying that Snape was not perfect, did I say he was? Harry Potter consistently broke rules that would have had a lesser student thrown out, yet he was rarely punished. Same for all the main griff characters. No one person was perfect. Dumbledore advocated wholesale slavery of muggles at one point. He changed his ways and we love him. Can you not give the same treatment to Snape, who joined a powerful group as a way to share in that power and then when the woman he loved from afar was threatened, he bailed? His love for Lily overcame his hatred of the race that his abusive as shit father came from.
Yeah, he tore the picture up, what of it? He tore out of the picture the man who tormented him from the very moment they met. Even Black, Lupin, and Harry were all forced to admit that James Potter was an absolute dick to Snape, and many others, while Lily was kind. Why on earth would he leave James in the picture?
As for buying her, I assume you are referring to his pleading with Voldemort. Yeah, in a moment of weakness he did something despicable. I again refer you to Dumbledore abandoning his family, advocating wholesale slavery, and cowardly allowing Grindlewald (sp?) to wreak havoc on mainland Europe for a long time because he was scared of what he may say.
Harry forgave Snape, calling him a “Slytherin, and the bravest man he ever knew.”
Look at the traits valued in Slytherin. They are the traits of game changers. There is not much of a middle ground, either you do great things, or you fall to evil. High Ambition is more easily perverted to evil than humility is, but even humility fed incorrectly leads to evil.
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See I didn’t love Dumbledore either. I thought he was far more manipulative than he had to be.
Actually in the books everyone says James and Snape hated each other and did stuff to each other. They also says James was great, in fact we only find one person who says James was actually bad and that’s Snape. James and Snape treated each other the exact same way that boys of that age all treat each other. In fact they note that in the books when Harry sees James and Sirius’s detentions they are among boxes of detentions from that year and Lupin notes that they all went around hexing each other with the popular hexes of the time.
But let’s say that when they were little James picked on Snape because Snape was into the Dark Arts(which is mentioned in the books). Let’s also ignore that this happened with lots of them and was pretty much common among the boys of their year.
But here’s the thing, Snape joined the Nazi’s and NEVER once admitted that it was wrong, or that he had been mistaken like Dumbledore did. He never repudiated the Death Eater cause, Snape only switched because he was a lunatic for Lily, period. He was remorseful because Lily was harmed, not because of all the other evil that the Death Eaters had done or the fact that he had assisted in. Of course he felt bad that Lily got hurt, thats normal. It’s the fact that it’s the ONLY reason he stopped that gets him no cookie.
If you really love someone you don’t join groups dedicated to the genocidal removal of those like them. He no more loved Lily than he did anyone else, but yes he was fixated on her.
Even J.K. Rowling specifically said Snape was a horrible person. “Snape is fun to write, because he is a deeply horrible person,”
Lots of Slytherins are of no note whatsover. Ambition doesn’t absolutely carry with it the talents needed to make that ambition possible.
When Ambition and Self-Preservation are your most important characteristics it doesn’t mean you are absolutely evil but it does mean when it’s crunch time you are theype of person to leave people behind and that you will sell out others to get what you want.
By the way, thanks for making this day go by faster.[/quote]
Damn work, want more time for this discussion instead of research.