Romney 2012?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]vroom wrote:
Damici wrote:
There’s really no “bitching” that needs to be done regarding Sarah Palin. She is not remotely qualified for the job of President (which is what the VP needs to be ready to do), and she never was. She’s not even close to being qualified.

If you agree with her general political positions on things that’s fine, but agreeing with someone’s political stances and judging their competency and qualifications for the job are two VERY different things.

Did you not SEE her interviews with Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson? Did you not HEAR what she said about what she thought the job description of VP was? Have you not heard what the insiders of the McCain/Palin campaign itself have said about her needing more coaching on every subject than any candidate of any kind they’ve ever dealt with??

This is key.

How in the hell can a party imagine that it can convince a populace of a lie when the plain truth is clearly visible to anyone that isn’t drunk on kool-aid?

Even many members of the republican party have been having difficulty swallowing the amount of spin needed to keep her candidacy afloat.

To rebuild the party it will be necessary for people to see beyond what I’m calling ideology or party lines and be able to see and speak the truth.

Distract, deflect and discredit has been done.[/quote]

You guys have been watching too much MSNBC.

America just elected the least qualified, most left wing president EVER and you bitch about Palin?

Her qualifications for office exceed his, her ideology is more in line with what has made this country great.

I like her, I don’t think she is ideal and I think the media attacks on her have stuck but to pretend she is somehow inferior to the next president is staggering.

We have elected a “community organizer” to be president.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The American people do not understand Obama’s radical ideology or they would not have elected him.[/quote]

Zap, how far up your ass can you stick your head?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The American people do not understand Obama’s radical ideology or they would not have elected him.

Zap, how far up your ass can you stick your head?[/quote]

Evidently not nearly as far as you can stick your head up your vagina.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Evidently not nearly as far as you can stick your head up your vagina. [/quote]

You’re one to talk. You’ve been a whiny bitch over the last few days…

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The American people do not understand Obama’s radical ideology or they would not have elected him.

Zap, how far up your ass can you stick your head?[/quote]

You really are out of it if you do not recognize this simple fact.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

You really are out of it if you do not recognize this simple fact.[/quote]

Hmm.

What’s more likely?

I am out of it and don’t see what’s happening.

You are a member of a fringe which discounts the majority of the US voters and indeed the majority of the free world.

You and your ilk have been whining up a storm, wringing your hands in a panic, and you’ve convinced absolutely nobody to adopt your fringe viewpoint.

Surely, if you are right, you can convince at least somebody to represent those ideas and get at least a respectable number of votes?

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
No I’m not conservative. But I do support fiscal responsibility, curbing wasteful spending, and good governance and management. And that’s what the Republican party needs to redefine itself as.[/quote]

That’s what you hear from both sides every election, except the left enjoys evoking class-envy.

I am not anti-government. I don’t think anyone but Lifty is anti-government. I am pro-small government. I love how you know what “most of us” want. I didn’t know they taught that in law school.

You watch too much MSNBC. Being conservative - unabashedly conservative - has led to the greatest landslides for the republicans in history. It works every time it is tried. Instead of thinking you know everything, look at history. You know - the shit that happened before you were old enough to vote.

I think you are wrong. Palin, should she decide to run in the future, will be president. Your ignorance of the right should be factored in here.

McCain lost because he had no plan. He spent the last 3 months reacting. He is about the most liberal republican in DC, and you think he should have ran more to the middle? For fuck sake - he would have to move to the right to get closer to the middle.

The fact that you don’t see this is laughable.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
rainjack wrote:

Evidently not nearly as far as you can stick your head up your vagina.

You’re one to talk. You’ve been a whiny bitch over the last few days…[/quote]

What does that have to do with your head being shoved up your vagina?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Her qualifications for office exceed his, her ideology is more in line with what has made this country great.[/quote]

“That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, we’re ill about this position that we have been put in. Where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it’s got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and getting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade – we have got to see trade as opportunity, not as, uh, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation.” - Sarah Palin

“If course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first” - Sarah Palin

Yes, an amazing intellect. Her brain is so quick, her mouth has trouble keeping up.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
No I’m not conservative. But I do support fiscal responsibility, curbing wasteful spending, and good governance and management. And that’s what the Republican party needs to redefine itself as.

That’s what you hear from both sides every election, except the left enjoys evoking class-envy.

Sorry, but you anti-government people are a decided minority. Most of us are pro good-governance and competent management. And would like to see a streamlined, effective government.

I am not anti-government. I don’t think anyone but Lifty is anti-government. I am pro-small government. I love how you know what “most of us” want. I didn’t know they taught that in law school.

Republicans will never succeeed just by catering to ‘true conservatives.’ If they have a hope, they need to court moderate voters who are disillusioned by the overall Democrat approach and Democrat willingness to waste money on poorly thought-out programs.

You watch too much MSNBC. Being conservative - unabashedly conservative - has led to the greatest landslides for the republicans in history. It works every time it is tried. Instead of thinking you know everything, look at history. You know - the shit that happened before you were old enough to vote.

Palin will not be president. John McCain might have been if he struck a middle-of-the road approach that still deviated from the clusterfuck of Democrat policy and the even BIGGER cluster-fuck of the last 8 years. Instead he chose Palin to shore up the conservative base, and while he may have done that, he pissed off many thousands.

I think you are wrong. Palin, should she decide to run in the future, will be president. Your ignorance of the right should be factored in here.

McCain lost because he had no plan. He spent the last 3 months reacting. He is about the most liberal republican in DC, and you think he should have ran more to the middle? For fuck sake - he would have to move to the right to get closer to the middle.

The fact that you don’t see this is laughable.

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You’re the one that doesn’t get it. YOUR views are extreme and divorced from most Americans. PALIN’S views are extreme and divorced from most Americans.

Not disagreeing on McCain. John McCain shares many of the fundamental flaws the Democrats have. But instead of distinguishing HIMSELF on the important things, he simply chose an extremist running-mate that most Americans could never support.

You really need to get out and talk to people with different views from yourself IN THE REAL WORLD to understand just how out of line Palin is from most people.

Of course, those are the views she PROFESSES. Liberals might take heart that when the chips are down, she’ll manuver to establish a net tax hike and run up a huge deficit to support crucial things like stadiums (the execution of which she’ll spectacularly botch) at the expense of promises made to improve silly things like infrastructure.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

You really are out of it if you do not recognize this simple fact.

Hmm.

What’s more likely?

I am out of it and don’t see what’s happening.

You are a member of a fringe which discounts the majority of the US voters and indeed the majority of the free world.

You and your ilk have been whining up a storm, wringing your hands in a panic, and you’ve convinced absolutely nobody to adopt your fringe viewpoint.

Surely, if you are right, you can convince at least somebody to represent those ideas and get at least a respectable number of votes?[/quote]

The masses are ignorant and have been swayed by his spending and a slanted media. There is no doubt that this man is the furthest left president elect ever.

When the American people are polled on policy they tend to overwhelmingly support the same things McCain stands for.

This is well understood. I don’t understand how anyone can deny it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The masses are ignorant and have been swayed by his spending and a slanted media.
[/quote]

That, my friend, is the definition of elitism.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The masses are ignorant and have been swayed by his spending and a slanted media.

That, my friend, is the definition of elitism.[/quote]

Perhaps you should recheck whatever dictionary you used. I would also draw your attention to the picture of yourself next to the word.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Damici wrote:
In addition to lower spending, lower taxes and less government, I would add less preachiness, less bible-thumping, less divisiveness and less bigotry. In other words, smaller government in ALL respects. That includes keeping their noses the fuck out of people’s private lives and religions (or lack thereof, as the case may be).

Preachiness? Like what?

Come on now Rainjack the Republicans have been preachy for years. If you can’t see that you are in denial.

Bigotry? Like What?

The longest running thread in the PWI forum has been the gay marriage thread and you have to ask about bigotry?

Bible Thumping? When?

Oh no you didn’t! The Republicans have been fanatically thumping bibles ever since the days of Ronald Reagan and the moral majority. Since the eighties the Republicans have been acting like modern day Pharises and it has alienated a lot of people including church going people.

With the older generations of voters who grew up going to church dying off that whole wearing your religion on your sleeve as a badge of honor to show off to everyone has lost it’s appeal.

Noone likes Pharises except other Pharises. Even Jesus couldn’t stand Pharises. Read Luke sometime.

So you want to legislate how much religion someone should express?

No but when there was a time when going to church was ubiquitous our politics were more civil and not as polarized. Because people did not inject their different religious beliefs into politics.

Fuck the 1st amendment much?

We’ve seen what happens when you elect a know-nothing incompetent simply because he tows the “pro-Jesus” line and he “seems like a guy you’d wanna’ have a beer with,” ignoring all other areas of relevance to the job of being president: Said incompetent goes on to ruin the world.

Never again.

So a Yale grad with a Harvard MBA is now a know nothing?

Being “Pro-Jesus” has dick to do with why the republicans lost. It has everything to do with selling the electorate up the river.

The last thing a conservative movement needs is people with your fear and bigotry trying to unite anyone.

What the fuck?

Obama went to a church regularly for years, but he didn’t constantly put it in everyones face that he believes in Jesus more than anyone else, like George Bush does.

Even Mike Huckaby who is an ordained minister didn’t put his religion up in everyones face and act like a pharise like Bush does. [/quote]

Excellent retort!

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Her qualifications for office exceed his, her ideology is more in line with what has made this country great.

“That’s why I say I, like every American I’m speaking with, we’re ill about this position that we have been put in. Where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh, it’s got to be about job creation, too. Shoring up our economy, and getting it back on the right track. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade – we have got to see trade as opportunity, not as, uh, competitive, um, scary thing, but one in five jobs created in the trade sector today. We’ve got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation.” - Sarah Palin

“If course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans who get stuck holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first” - Sarah Palin

Yes, an amazing intellect. Her brain is so quick, her mouth has trouble keeping up.

[/quote]

I am not really sure what your point is. We just elected a pair of morons to be president and vp. Neither one of those could even keep up with this forum.

Why expect more from the Republicans? Why do people pretend they are not as bright? “Stupid” George Bush did better in school than his opponents and his IQ was the same yet people pretend he was dumber.

This is a phony issue.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The masses are ignorant and have been swayed by his spending and a slanted media.

That, my friend, is the definition of elitism.[/quote]

Yes, I am elite. I am smarter, more well informed and wiser than the overwhelming majority of people. I am also more physically fit and better looking.

So what?

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The media selected this candidate and assured his victory. Even minor ethical standards in the MSM would have defeated Obama.

We are stuck with him for 4 years and maybe 8. I’m not optomistic. Leaders get challenged because they are weak, or are percieved as so. Friend and for alike wanted Obama to win because he is weak, not for his strength. Sadly many view that as a virtue. He has no clue what to do about the economy and his positions are stealthy at best.

Don’t be suprised if you see witchhunt hearings and show hearing to appease the radical base of the party. I wouldn’t be suprised at a lot of social legislation to repay unions, minorities and especially the anti-gunners who agreed to remains silent during the election. They will not remain so any longer.

The Republicans need to talk over the media and appeal to the people directly. The Dems will try and censor this via the fairness doctrine. It will be the next battle. Republicans also need a leader. I don’t see one yet but one will emerge. It will get much worse before it gets better. The only question is the degree.

In the meantime the conservatives need to offer Obama the same support the liberals gave Bush during times of difficulty and crisis.

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[quote]Damici wrote:
Palin WILL try to stay on the national political scene, and I wouldn’t be surprised if she runs for (and becomes) a U.S. senator some day. But she will never, ever, ever, EVER be President. I’m not just saying that because I think she’s an incompetent clown (which I do), I’m saying that because it’s the political reality of her situation.

There’s really no “bitching” that needs to be done regarding Sarah Palin. She is not remotely qualified for the job of President (which is what the VP needs to be ready to do), and she never was. She’s not even close to being qualified.

If you agree with her general political positions on things that’s fine, but agreeing with someone’s political stances and judging their competency and qualifications for the job are two VERY different things.

Did you not SEE her interviews with Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson? Did you not HEAR what she said about what she thought the job description of VP was? Have you not heard what the insiders of the McCain/Palin campaign itself have said about her needing more coaching on every subject than any candidate of any kind they’ve ever dealt with??

Jeezus, this is not about personal vendettas OR political positions. She is not remotely qualified for the job! The President should be the best and brightest we can find. Palin could be out-debated by the better half of most halfway decent high school classes. Vladimir Putin may be evil, but he’s an evil genius. He would run CIRCLES around her. So would the (extremely smart, even if religiously nutty) guys running the show in Iran. (Ahmadinejad is not the guy running the show there). We would continue to be the laughingstock of the world.

Time to raise expectations. For God’s sake, man. It’s time.

[/quote]

You’re wasting your breath. To people who love Sarah Palin and think she’s the female Reagan, policy, or even the minimal appearance of competence, are completely irrelevant. It’s identity politics, as plain as black people voting for Obama. One of the worst features of democracy.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
You’re wasting your breath. To people who love Sarah Palin and think she’s the female Reagan, policy, or even the minimal appearance of competence, are completely irrelevant. It’s identity politics, as plain as black people voting for Obama. One of the worst features of democracy.[/quote]

To people who hate Sarah Palin - it is identity politics, only in reverse.

You and jsbrook are the poster boys for hating Palin because she is Palin. Either that or you were told to by Katy Couric.

But you have been anti-conservative since the war started. Single issue voters are pretty much fucking idiots.

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McCain deserved to lose. His campaign was a mess from the start, he won the primaries partly on lies (re: Romney’s position on Iraq), he took a big gamble and lost with Palin, and the credit crisis exposed him as a guy with minimal knowledge or or interest in domestic policy. The NY Times Sunday Magazine had a cover story on the inside of McCain’s campaign a week or two back, pick it up even if you hate “the MSM”, very interesting on the incoherence and competing messages of the campaign.

As for the GOP…they’re in real trouble. This country is becoming less white and less religious, and Bush’s enormous incompetence has lost a whole generation of voters who will be voting more as they get older. I’m sympathetic to the idea that the Republican Party either needs to become a genuinely multi-racial, working/lower-middle class party, Mike Huckabee’s party if he actually cared about immigration or free trade, or it is headed for the dustbin. How you become that party while also taking back the professional class (who voted for Obama en masse) is the trick.