[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Yea I read it an posted my opinion on page one of this thread.[/quote]
Sorry, missed it.
Pulp your position is that the title of the article should be ignored and the article should be read in the way you think Ripptoe intended. My position is stop making excuses for Ripptoe the man; he either intened to cause controvery by a misleading title or he flat out dosen’t know how to write like a professonal.
just googled ripptoe’s best lifts. guys that have decent 2 of the 3 lifts in powerlifting are a dime a dozen. get all 3 and then you’re somebody…do them drug free and then you’re really impressive. being on drugs with numbers that arnt too impressive isnt very good. JUST MY OPINION… These are his previous PRs at a weight of 220:
Meet squat: 611, (622 got 2 reds, one depth and one politics)
Gym squat: 600 x 3 Both done in a single-ply Frantz suit.
Meet bench: 396 on an easy 3rd attempt after his foot slipped on the 2nd with that weight.
Meet deadlift: 633 on two separate occasions.
PR Total: 1643
Won the Greater Texas Classic at 198 in 1981.
Retired from PL competition in 1988.
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[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Pulp your position is that the title of the article should be ignored and the article should be read in the way you think Ripptoe intended. My position is stop making excuses for Ripptoe the man; he either intened to cause controvery by a misleading title or he flat out dosen’t know how to write like a professonal.[/quote]
If there’s one theme running through this thread it’s that you have a problem with accuracy.
I’m beginning to wonder if this is on purpose because you know you’re arguing from such an absurd position (which is par for the course on the internet) or if you literally can’t grasp what you read on a screen. I really hope it’s the former
I never said ignore the title and that the article should be read as I ‘intended’. Weak. Ripptoe wrote what he wrote. Every one of your posted complaints were already addressed in the article. You don’t need my intentions you just need…to read it.
Also are you suggesting that professionals (someone paid for their craft) don’t attempt to write eye-catching titles? You’re being ridiculous and I think you know it.
Reread the article and don’t write anything until you can show reading comprehension beyond “I read the title.” Don’t do it for me. Do it for yourself.
As a complete aside I don’t understand this obsession with his lifting record. In the article he’s writing as a coach. Not all great athletes are great coaches (Michael Jordan) and not all great coaches achieved legendary status in their sport (Cus D’Amato). This is hardly earth shattering in sports.
You seem to have Rippetoe derangement syndrome where you can only look at anything written with a slightly histrionic eye. Just reread the article keeping your complaints in mind. When you do you’ll realize you can’t dismiss anything as “nuthugging”–you’ll just have to admit you didn’t do a good job on the first pass.
I don’t expect you to own up to it, but at least you won’t be lying to yourself anymore.
[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Pulp your position is that the title of the article should be ignored and the article should be read in the way you think Ripptoe intended. My position is stop making excuses for Ripptoe the man; he either intened to cause controvery by a misleading title or he flat out dosen’t know how to write like a professonal.[/quote]
Doesn’t TNation title all the articles and add all the pictures?
That’s a rhetorical question, because they do.
TNation editors create the titles and pick all the photos that will be in the article. The author has nothing to do with it. All he does is create the text in the body.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Pulp your position is that the title of the article should be ignored and the article should be read in the way you think Ripptoe intended. My position is stop making excuses for Ripptoe the man; he either intened to cause controvery by a misleading title or he flat out dosen’t know how to write like a professonal.[/quote]
Doesn’t TNation title all the articles and add all the pictures?
That’s a rhetorical question, because they do.
TNation editors create the titles and pick all the photos that will be in the article. The author has nothing to do with it. All he does is create the text in the body.[/quote]
Hmm. Without the title the complaints really, really fall apart.
However…Spk, I posted in a pretty assertive manner. I don’t know you and this is hardly an issue in the big picture. Let me dial it back just a bit.
I admit to experiencing intense frustration over certain things (and in order to dial it back I won’t detail what they are) and the way people post. Because of that I kind of zeroed in on you. I stand by the facts of what I said–but I could have said it less aggressively.
As an aside that doesn’t have anything to do with Spk, per se, I typed that “Ripptoe derangement syndrome” tongue in cheek and on the fly. After sitting on it for awhile I actually am starting think it maybe a “thing.”
Anytime someone comes along with a spin and focus on fundamentals (Starting Strength, 5/3/1, 20 rep breathing squats, etc, etc) that becomes popular, a whole bunch of people who previously were getting their programs from Muscle Media 2000 or Flex (and aren’t supplemented to the gills) there’s going to be a ‘eureka’ moment (you mean 5x5 squats really do work but Jay Cutler doesn’t use that! And how DARE you suggest the common guy lifter can’t get huge & strong AND ripped at the same time!) when they finally start making transformation.
Those people are going to be pro the sort of workout schematics Ripptoe discusses. I’m not sure why this makes them sycophants as he isn’t pushing a cult aberration of exercise, just a return to moderation and fundamentals. But the people who get angry when he points very obvious things bewilder me–I can’t see the motivation for all the hate and anger. Yes, he’s blunt but he isn’t lying.
[quote]Adversary wrote:
Hey, long-time lurker, just registered so can’t comment on articles yet.
I like the focus on getting stronger over traditional steady-state conditioning, e.g. jogging. But I haven’t found it to work out quite like Rippetoe seems to promise. Like, after a period of heavy lifting with little conditioning, if I go out and do a sport like skiing, basketball, martial arts, I find that I am sucking wind pretty hard.
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I am a very good skier. I compete in several big mountain comps throughout the year and train hard in the preseason to get in good enough shape to charge a 2000ft line with multiple 20+ foot airs in it.
In the past i have tried high rep high volume stuff, focusing on cardio, and purely building strength. This past year i focused on purely building max strength and it has paid huge dividends. I focused on heavy, 4-6 rep range Bulgarian Split squats and Heavy 2-4 rep deadlifts. Building pure strength has delayed onset of fatigue and i am better able to power out of backseat landings.
I MTB in the offseason, but focus on downhill because of its carryover to skiing eg. line choice, balance, body control, crashing etc. the cardio aspect has had carryover for sure, but my cardio capacity is nothing to brag about haha.
Overall, building my strength has had much more carryover to my sport than anything else.
Conditioning is not a sham. It isn`t for the expierenced athlete or for the HS freshman doing spring lifting and conditioning for football. I’m out.
[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Conditioning is not a sham. It isn`t for the expierenced athlete or for the HS freshman doing spring lifting and conditioning for football. I’m out.[/quote]
AKA “Somebody came in here and explained that Rip had nothing to do with the title, and that in fact TNation editors created a purposely edgy title to attract attention, and now I look like an idiot so I’m leaving”
[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Pulp your position is that the title of the article should be ignored and the article should be read in the way you think Ripptoe intended. My position is stop making excuses for Ripptoe the man; he either intened to cause controvery by a misleading title or he flat out dosen’t know how to write like a professonal.[/quote]
JRT6 You need to understand that most, if not all, of the articles written for T-Nation are not titled by the authors themselves. They are written by the T-Nation editorial staff for effect. It is not fair to blame Rippetoe for the sensationalized title.
[quote]JRT6 wrote:
Conditioning is not a sham. It isn`t for the expierenced athlete or for the HS freshman doing spring lifting and conditioning for football. I’m out.[/quote]
I take everything back.
Jesus Christ you’re an ass hat*. Instead of nutting up, which would have given me respect for you, cause getting something wrong happens to anybody but only people with character seem to be able to admit it, let alone apologize.
Rippetoe never said conditioning is a sham. He also said the article had a focus on beginners and that, in fact, experienced atheletes should do conditioning.
God. Stop strawing manning the article and don’t post like a douche’.
*this astreik for ass hat is a caveat. I think it’s possible from the way you’re posting that you might actually still be in high school in which case being a pureposeful knucklehead isn’t a surprise and I shouldn’t insult you like a grown man. (if you are over 25 though; sit in front of a mirror repeating “I am an ass clown. But I can choose to change” until it clicks in your head)