[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Ok hold on. Relax. It may not have been a suicide.
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Are you suggesting he was murdered? The article doesn’t.[/quote]
No, there is a possibility of death by accidental auto-erotic asphyxiation. I entertain this poesibility because, to me at least, a death by misadventure, although certainly tragic, would be preferable to a death by suicide.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Ok hold on. Relax. It may not have been a suicide.
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Are you suggesting he was murdered? The article doesn’t.[/quote]
No, there is a possibility of death by accidental auto-erotic asphyxiation. I entertain this poesibility because, to me at least, a death by misadventure, although certainly tragic, would be preferable to a death by suicide.[/quote]
Last I heard, he was clothed and had cut his wrist. Is this all in doubt now?
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Ok hold on. Relax. It may not have been a suicide.
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Are you suggesting he was murdered? The article doesn’t.[/quote]
No, there is a possibility of death by accidental auto-erotic asphyxiation. I entertain this poesibility because, to me at least, a death by misadventure, although certainly tragic, would be preferable to a death by suicide.[/quote]
Last I heard, he was clothed and had cut his wrist. Is this all in doubt now?[/quote]
Again, no. I said i choose to entertain this possibility because of personal reasons.
Look at that, white men are more likely to be selfish and cowardly than women, blacks, and Asians combined.
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent. [/quote]
Indeed. And i choose to entertain the possibility because for those of us that grew up with his movies through the decades of his career and adored the many iconic roles he played in the movie world, it is immensely depressing to be slapped back into a reality where this man would finally die by his own hand, alone, in the twilight of his years, hanging by a belt on a closet door.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent. [/quote]
Indeed. And i choose to entertain the possibility because for those of us that grew up with his movies through the decades of his career and adored the many iconic roles he played in the movie world, it is immensely depressing to be slapped back into a reality where this man would finally die by his own hand, alone, in the twilight of his years, hanging by a belt on a closet door.
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Here’s my advice: get “immensely depressed” when someone like a Pat Tillman dies not when Robin Williams or Philip Seymour Hoffman heads over the sunset by their own hand.[/quote]
Yes you are right. Didn’t have much sleep when i posted. I guess it was an act of denial on my part.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent. [/quote]
Indeed. And i choose to entertain the possibility because for those of us that grew up with his movies through the decades of his career and adored the many iconic roles he played in the movie world, it is immensely depressing to be slapped back into a reality where this man would finally die by his own hand, alone, in the twilight of his years, hanging by a belt on a closet door.
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Here’s my advice: get “immensely depressed” when someone like a Pat Tillman dies not when Robin Williams or Philip Seymour Hoffman heads over the sunset by their own hand.[/quote]
I think this is a generation thing Push that some of us will not understand.
Your generation and about half of mine are from the DO SOMETHING generation. We did not spend all our time inside watching TV, we were out doing stuff to entertain.
The younger generation are the WATCH SOMETHING (not placing blame or judging just the facts) so much of that generations inspiration and emotional ties are with actors/actresses/movies etc.
[quote]CLINK wrote:
To equate work with a depression-free life is childish and insensitive. Using words like “selfish”, and “coward” (as they’ve used on Fox News) is way off the mark.
Those of you who’ve never dealt with your own, or a loved one’s depression, have no idea what you’re talking about with your tough guy, “shake it off” stance. You have zero idea what another individual has experienced; no idea the emotional damage that may have occurred in their formative years, and cannot possibly know the deepest depths of darkness those with severe depression face each day standing at the abyss.
The suicide rate for veterans these last few years has been at an all-time high. Would you use “selfish” and “coward” to describe them?
Walk a mile in someone’s shoes before you judge.
But mostly, grow the fuck up. [/quote]
This
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent. [/quote]
Indeed. And i choose to entertain the possibility because for those of us that grew up with his movies through the decades of his career and adored the many iconic roles he played in the movie world, it is immensely depressing to be slapped back into a reality where this man would finally die by his own hand, alone, in the twilight of his years, hanging by a belt on a closet door.
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Here’s my advice: get “immensely depressed” when someone like a Pat Tillman dies not when Robin Williams or Philip Seymour Hoffman heads over the sunset by their own hand.[/quote]
You can’t choose when you feel “immensely depressed”
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent. [/quote]
Indeed. And i choose to entertain the possibility because for those of us that grew up with his movies through the decades of his career and adored the many iconic roles he played in the movie world, it is immensely depressing to be slapped back into a reality where this man would finally die by his own hand, alone, in the twilight of his years, hanging by a belt on a closet door.
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Here’s my advice: get “immensely depressed” when someone like a Pat Tillman dies not when Robin Williams or Philip Seymour Hoffman heads over the sunset by their own hand.[/quote]
I think this is a generation thing Push that some of us will not understand.
Your generation and about half of mine are from the DO SOMETHING generation. We did not spend all our time inside watching TV, we were out doing stuff to entertain.
The younger generation are the WATCH SOMETHING (not placing blame or judging just the facts) so much of that generations inspiration and emotional ties are with actors/actresses/movies etc. [/quote]
This is true. Mostly because you guys didn’t hardly have shit to watch compared to now lol.
Also Push, Pat Tillman is fuckin famous too! It’s no different; it’s just a different person. There are plenty of regular Joe servicemen who won’t get the Pat Tillman treatment. Same exact principle.
Apparently he was in financial ruin as a result of two divorce settlements to the point where he was doing movies for the money.
Crushing alimony payments, the possible failure of a 3rd marriage (just a guess) + failing in his 60’s = too much to bear.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You may have a point here but mine is that I get tired of the fawning over celebrities that continues even after their deaths and especially if they die by their own hands.
You show me if you and others have as much empathy for Ordinary Joe as you do for Famous Robin and maybe I’ll consider your sincerity.
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I don’t see a reason anyone else would “deserve” similar treatment unless they’ve done something to earn it. Like it or not certain celebrities have profound impacts on people, particularly in their childhood, and those people carry the experience with them throughout their lives. Some rando off the street likely doesn’t do that for anyone outside of his immediate circle. It’s never struck me as unusual or unwarranted. No one spent their formative years watching “Ordinary Joe” do jack shit. But they may have been influenced heavily by Robin Williams or Steve Irwin or so on.[/quote]
Robin Williams was good in a couple movies. But you didn’t see people raving about him and started threads about him until he offed himself. It certainly gives the wrong impression.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
And you’re dead wrong about someone in their formative years not watching Ordinary Joe do things of value. Most folks in and out of their formative years watch more Ordinary Joe’s do valuable life altering things than some typically vain, shallow Hollywood type.[/quote]
Do you have any examples? I mean it’s not the same thing at all. You’re not gonna see the same random guy doing something every day like a kid might wake up and watch someone he idolizes on TV every day or week or whatever for years. If you do that you either know the person, at which point they are no longer a random stranger, or you’re stalking them or something.
It doesn’t matter how the Hollywood type typically is, all that matters is how it affected a person at a certain time in their life. If a shallow, vain asshole helped some kid deal with his parents’ divorce, he’s still gonna have positive feelings toward that person.
You know all this man; you know it better than me! I shouldn’t need to tell you how the world works.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Any theories suggesting William’s death was the result of auto erotic asphyxiation drips with sickening irony to those who saw The World’s Greatest Dad.
And for that theory to have any plausibility, one or more of his former lovers will have to state he had a penchant for such behavior. Even then, it’s just their word unless they have solid evidence.
I can’t predict the future but I’m skeptical, to say the least.
Whatever the cause of his death, he was one of the greats who acted in drama and comedy with immense talent. [/quote]
Indeed. And i choose to entertain the possibility because for those of us that grew up with his movies through the decades of his career and adored the many iconic roles he played in the movie world, it is immensely depressing to be slapped back into a reality where this man would finally die by his own hand, alone, in the twilight of his years, hanging by a belt on a closet door.
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Here’s my advice: get “immensely depressed” when someone like a Pat Tillman dies not when Robin Williams or Philip Seymour Hoffman heads over the sunset by their own hand.[/quote]
I think this is a generation thing Push that some of us will not understand.
Your generation and about half of mine are from the DO SOMETHING generation. We did not spend all our time inside watching TV, we were out doing stuff to entertain.
The younger generation are the WATCH SOMETHING (not placing blame or judging just the facts) so much of that generations inspiration and emotional ties are with actors/actresses/movies etc. [/quote]
While i understand your point, i am not from the generation you are describing. Different country, different states of developement where i spent my youth.
I did, however, enjoy movies more than the average person when i was a kid, so naturally there is an emotional attachment. I say all this only to further illustrate the point i was making in the previous post.
Here we have a man with decades of an illustrious career capturing the imaginations of millions around the world. Someone who had also acquired a significant amount of wealth and assets. Yet he was able to become unhappy enough to end his life.
Where i grew up, i lived near to prostitutes, drug addicts, smalltime gangsters, basically people with no hope nor future in life. There was a beggar without eyes with most of his face burnt off, another without legs pushing himself around on a homemade wooden trolley. Many families survived on less than minimum wage, which meant a lot of children had to work.
Yet these people would do all it takes to survive. Even the damn drug addicts.
So it’s rather hard to accept that Robin Williams, someone who worked hard all his life and reached a level of success none of these people would even dare dream of, could finally get depressed enough to decide that non-existence beats existing, not when i still dream of the faceless beggar so many years after leaving that shit hole.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Apparently he was in financial ruin as a result of two divorce settlements to the point where he was doing movies for the money.
Crushing alimony payments, the possible failure of a 3rd marriage (just a guess) + failing in his 60’s = too much to bear.
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Didn’t know about this. Oh well…
[quote]CLINK wrote:
(as they’ve used on Fox News)
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Fox news is on the “he was a Saint” bandwagon, so I am not sure what you mean here.
Nope, right on the mark.
Anyone “sucidee” who does not realize what he is doing to his children (or whomever) is either so selfish he doesn’t care about his kids or lashing out at loved ones in the ultimate passive-agressive bullshit manner that he can be called a coward.
Yeah, I don’t know shit about depression, PTSD or what injured vets go through. Not a clue what its like sitting in Walter Reed 1/2 covered with 2nd and 3rd degree burns, getting my raw skin scraped off with silver oxide debridement, and wondering if my dick will work. No idea, at all.
Idiot.
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But mostly, grow the fuck up. [/quote]
Growing up is about taking responsibility for yourself. Loving others more than yourself. Duty and responsibility.
Suicide is cruel, callous, and evil.
There should be no “understanding” of it. Losers who commit suicide are past “understanding.” Fuck them and worry about the living.
My empathy is reserved for my niece and nephew who — almost 2 years later – still break down and cry periodically because their father (my brother) was selfish piece of shit who couldn’t face 1-3 year in a cushy federal prison (yes, he was an idiot on many levels) for other stupid shit he did.
I don’t know, before reading this thread i had a similar view. After reading some posters description of actual clinical depression i’m interested in knowing more about this topic, especially since it can compel one to do things some of us simply can’t comphrehend.