This has been previously summarized as “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”
My heart goes out to his kid.
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I’ve lost a lot of friends to addiction. This guy didn’t die from lifting weights, posing, cutting weight, dieting, bulking, or flexing - he died from his drug addiction. I don’t consider it a moral shortcoming - it’s a tragedy, but can we just stop calling this stuff “bodybuilding”?
And no, drug addiction doesn’t just affect the addict. There’s a reason there are support groups for families of addicts.
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But so are my gains i guess
These are sarms.
The high tech pharm stuff is prohormones (crappy prohormones)
Its not good, but comparing him to Boston Loyd is an inaccurate comparision…
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Yes, and the notion that one can do steroids for bodybuilding while being “healthy” is bunk. Unless someone is close to and the trust of heavy drug-using bodybuilder and other users, he has no clue what is going on with such people! We are not their physicians and nurses! And I believe most fans of these people don’t have a single close friend or family member amongst them to get the inside scoop and who occasionally spill the beans on others worries and health problems or signs they are going to have problems. We also have no idea of the mental disorders they experience from using hormones, such as anxiety, mood disorder, and depression.
Posting on FB or IG, “I saw Dr. Eric Serrano today,” or “my blood work came back,” does not show one is healthy or that he has problems he is going to try to ameliorate them! I could have an MRI show I have a broken bone. Saying “I got an MRI done,” doesn’t mean I’m getting it repaired! It simply means I went to a healthcare facility!
So you went to a doctor. Umm, OK? Why do you keep going to the doctor? Healthy people don’t keep going to a doctor. And people who at least feel healthy don’t do
That either. If there’s no problem and you’re healthy, why do you keep thinking of your health. After all, steroids for bodybuilding can be done healthily.
(Inb4: “Bro, T for TRT is a steroid” because people should know what I’m talking about.)
I actually had an IFBB pro friend tell me yesterday that he wished people were more honest. And while I am over some infantile phase of excessively caring about what other men are doing with their bodies—which actually is the circle jerk of bodybuilding, for lack of a better term—I too would think it’s more decent to just say something publicly like, “Hey guys, welcome to my YT channel for another episode. Look, what I do has risks. I’m not going to BS you and say I am healthy despite using substances my body isn’t designed to deal with, nor am I going to
tell you there’s a healthy way to do it in the same way that a daredevil will not die from from his dangerous feats! I go to my doctor because I have curiosity about my body. However I will not revert signs of impending or current health issues by stopping because I want to keep competing or looking and performing like this.”
I actually think that would be more responsible than the goofy notion of “staying/doing it healthy.”
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Unfortunately as long as steroids are illegal people can’t be honest about it on a large scale.
That’s one of the things that made Boston so intriguing… finally a guy spilling the beans. Perhaps he was taking more than most people, perhaps not. Most people aren’t willing to go to jail or lose out on their source of income to let us know.
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AAS have an association with masculine characteristics and cheating… let alone the health ramifications associated with use.
Both variables here are seen in a negative light, particuarly the former.
Yeah I see very little chance of it ever becoming legal for recreational use for that reason. Who wants to be the legislator that takes up that cause?
Sadly, on the surface, this seems like an extreme example of the Goldman Dilemma being exercised.
My initial thought is that Bostin valued himself primarily through the lens of achieving the best physique he could, regardless of other consequences. He had become his physique. Without his physique he perceived he had little value. Though I didn’t go full on Goldman Dilemma, I did walk in its shadow.
I send my sympathies to those he left behind.
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They’re legal to possess in Canada, UK, Mexico, various regions in South America… Thailand is a grey area. Other “grey areas” include Egypt and Israel, Jordan, Lebannon etc.
By grey area I refer to “laws unenforced” or “sale is unregulated”
If AAS were legal, I doubt we would see mainstream appeal. Just an avenue for users to avoid potential trouble with the law
Too much stigma
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I suppose I should have specified America, but yeah
America might see decriminalisation one day… depending on what state you are in
Not steroid specific decriminalision, but drug decriminalisation. Thus AAS users would no longer be subject to punishment
Imo just revert the laws to pre 1991
rX only, but not sch III. According to the scheduling, steroids have higher abuse potential/more addictive properties relative to codeine, tramadol, xanax (and other benzodiazepines), long acting barbituates, Pentazocine… haaaaaaa
They might be deadlier (yeeeaaa, you can overdose on many of these… particularly pentazocaine and tramadol but not many are going to be dumb enough to take like 700mg of tramadol). But compare steroids to xanax… which is abused very frequently? Which subjects the user to crippling, potentially lethal withdrawl?
What bullshit… similar to how cannabis is schedule 1… lumped in with heroin, crack cocaine… methamphetamine isnt even schedule 1…
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Are you aware of how relatively few people care about this and feel their quality of life is being shortchanged by this?
I can likely ask every one of my friends, co-workers, neighbors, and people I see at religious services and likely 99 percent of them would not think this is important. So generally speaking it is not BS.
It’s not important to many people because prohibition of marijuana has failed miserably and people who want pot can get it no matter how illegal it is in the US. What people don’t realize is that when something is legal and you need an ID to purchase it through a vendor, it’s harder for kids to purchase it directly. I got sold pot at 12 by some scumbag, I still had trouble getting alcohol at times when I was 19-20.
But most of all, people not caring about an issue does not make the issue not BS.
The idea that marijuana is illegal while alcohol and cigarettes are legal is BS, and the idea that marijuana is at all analogous to heroin, crack, and meth, is BS.
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@flappinit I understand. You have a point I wasn’t thinking of.
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Schedule I = cant conduct research without going through a million beaurocratic obstacles.
Should be schedule IV or III… or descheduled entirely.
Doesn’t affect my life in any way, shape or form btw. I don’t even live in the USA.
Actually its worse than meth apparently
Methamphetamine is schedule II
Cocaine is also schedule II
Doing some thinking on the peptide Bostin injected into his lower back fat and how it could have effected his kidneys; Adipotide kills off fat cells, and Each kidney is surrounded by a thick layer of adipose tissue called perirenal fat, which helps to protect it. If this were damaged, the renal fascia which help hold the kidneys in place could be compromised, leading to kidney injury and failure.
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Trying to get rid of lower back fat seems like one of the dumbest ways imaginable to die. A kid doesn’t have a dad… for what?
Hopefully his death can put some things in perspective for someone out there.
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To me this is like drinking a case a beer and a shot of whiskey every night, and blaming the shot of whiskey for liver failure.
Yeah, that experimental drug probably did damage his kidneys, but he was on high doses of several other substances known to damage kidneys.
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