RIP Amanda Todd

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?

Sucks she took the route she did but damn…

Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.

Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…

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I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]

And the bully wins. The bully’s actions are justified because society expects the victim to change, not the bully.

If a convenience store gets robbed, do you tell the owner “that’s what you get for having a convenience store here!” Of course not.

When you say “so delete your facebook account,” you’re asking a person to isolate themselves to a degree that others don’t have to. Since when is this good? Suppose the “teams and clubs” have the same bullies as members? This was the case when I was bullied at a young age. A lot of the bullies were the ‘cool kids’ who were involved in every fucking thing. The only clubs I could join got me more ridiculed. Once you’re at the bottom of the food chain, it’s damn difficult to move up. Changing schools helps some people, but sometimes only temporarily. And that option is not available to everyone.

The solution just isn’t that simple.[/quote]

The bully doesn’t win. They bully’s primary objective wasn’t to drive her off of Facebook, it was to harass her. If she doesn’t have the Facebook account, he doesn’t get the satisfaction of knowing she is reading all of the nasty things he has to say.

Not having a Facebook page is much better than subjecting yourself to the harassment that is driving you to suicide.[/quote]

You are beginning with the assumption that this girl, and teenage girls in general are rational, emotionally stable human beings who are capable of that type of reasoning. That is simply not the case.

I mean ms. Todd was cutting herself for some time before she actually took her life. Willful self-harm is alarmingly common among girls that age. Rational people do not behave like that.

Social media is also a powerful addiction for teens, again especially girls. Addicts do what they do even if it hurts them. Why don’t they just not get high and play sports instead? Problem solved. Of course that would work, but it’s not really a practical answer.

It’s unfathomable to me, but apparently it’s not an uncommon thought process. This is just an extreme example, obviously.

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[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?

Sucks she took the route she did but damn…

Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.

Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…

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I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]

And the bully wins. The bully’s actions are justified because society expects the victim to change, not the bully.

If a convenience store gets robbed, do you tell the owner “that’s what you get for having a convenience store here!” Of course not.

When you say “so delete your facebook account,” you’re asking a person to isolate themselves to a degree that others don’t have to. Since when is this good? Suppose the “teams and clubs” have the same bullies as members? This was the case when I was bullied at a young age. A lot of the bullies were the ‘cool kids’ who were involved in every fucking thing. The only clubs I could join got me more ridiculed. Once you’re at the bottom of the food chain, it’s damn difficult to move up. Changing schools helps some people, but sometimes only temporarily. And that option is not available to everyone.

The solution just isn’t that simple.[/quote]

The bully doesn’t win. They bully’s primary objective wasn’t to drive her off of Facebook, it was to harass her. If she doesn’t have the Facebook account, he doesn’t get the satisfaction of knowing she is reading all of the nasty things he has to say.

Not having a Facebook page is much better than subjecting yourself to the harassment that is driving you to suicide.[/quote]

You are beginning with the assumption that this girl, and teenage girls in general are rational, emotionally stable human beings who are capable of that type of reasoning. That is simply not the case.

I mean ms. Todd was cutting herself for some time before she actually took her life. Willful self-harm is alarmingly common among girls that age. Rational people do not behave like that.

Social media is also a powerful addiction for teens, again especially girls. Addicts do what they do even if it hurts them. Why don’t they just not get high and play sports instead? Problem solved. Of course that would work, but it’s not really a practical answer.

It’s unfathomable to me, but apparently it’s not an uncommon thought process. This is just an extreme example, obviously. [/quote]

Holy shit common sense! Thank you lol. She was 15 ffs… Although on a side note, having addicts “just not get high” would not work at all

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When you hear stuff like this we all think back to when we where that age and the crap we took. I took plenty of it like alot of kids but the worst stuff is when it comes from the teachers.

What stood out alot to me is in one of the articles someone from the school said they where aware of it going on but its complicated. so the solution was they did nothing and then act shocked when it blows up. They saw the freaking pictures being posted and saw the crap going on and where aware of the video yet not a one took the time to try and make a difference.

That part hits hard because thats where my bullying came from was teachers. Put such a negative image of them in my mind that school was not really an option for me anymore. The stuff they called me and told me I was to become just turned me off from any help within that school. So when I see asshat employees of the school system say they where aware of it but did nothing just brings all that flooding back.

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That is very sad.

I remember in high school kids used to pick on me something awful.
Like saying I had a flesh eating disease cause I had pimples or whatever…
But then it got real bad and kids would send me death threats and tell me to kill myself and prank call me like multiple times a day telling me to die or making BJ noises or just random shit like that…

I remember i invited a few girls to my birthday and no one came and one girl call RSVP’ed saying i was fucking stupid for thinking anyone would come to my birthday because everyone hated me.
Oh and one time I got beat up on the smoking hill and everyone stood around cheering and telling them to kick me or whatever. I got up and ran to the bathroom and the principal came in and started hugging me and the vice principal gave me a ride home which was awkward…

So ya then I started home schooling and ya.
I had very good involved parents growing up though, I dunno where everything went so wrong. But that shit does create anxiety disorders and self-esteem issues. For god sakes that happened to me like 8 years ago and I’m still scared of life. Surely things have escalted since I’ve gotten out of high school so I can’t imagine how hard it must be for kids these days.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

Aw, Jen. I feel bad that you had to go though that kind of stuff.

Fucking idiot kids.

I hope that you can somehow completely overcome the negative emotions that must have caused you.

Morons.

And in case it needs to be said, you seem like a really nice and interesting person. [/quote]

Thanks friend :slight_smile:

I don’t think someone can completely overcome that type of thing. It was like part of how I grew up and it all moulded me into the person that I am today. Granted, a lot of those things aren’t really GOOD qualities, but I know I would never want to be like those people or have my son be like those people, so at least I learned something.

It’s interesting that girl said she didn’t go out with friends or whatever for an entire summer. I haven’t really gone out with friends for at least two years, but I never would have put two and two together that my social anxiety would be in large part due to being picked on for so many years, I dunno.
I think that’s some good insight into why I do some of the things that I do.

This one girl who used to pick on me now has a son going to the same school as my child, I think he’s maybe one grade ahead…
Anyway, I see her almost every morning and I still feel somewhat scared of her. As if I am worried she is going to pick on me or beat me up? But that’s so foolish, were both adults bringing our children to grade school, why on earth would she bully me there? It’s like hardwired into my brain or something…

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[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:

For example: A kid was bullying my daughter (who is 6) on the playground at a park we frequent over summer and I was witness to this as well as the little bully’s parents as well. I went over to her(my daughter) after she was pushed down/aside and slandered while ateempting to go down a slide. I stated very loudly so the parents could hear " Sweetie lets go we don’t need to be nice and try to play with that child who is being mean and bullying you. I hope her parents will recognize what is going on and see that there is a problem with this and her actions."

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Incidence like this with my kids make me absolutely furious. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I’m never there when it happens. When my oldest was 2 or 3 my wife told me how she had him at a playground and there was some man playing with his kids. She said he was the loud and obnoxious type. My son made the mistake of wondering too close to him and the guy jumped in front of him yelling “AAAAAGGGHHHH” with his arms out and a scary face. He laughed as my son ran away crying. When I heard this my blood boiled. I was thinking things like if I was there I would have picked my moment to casually walk past but stop to crack a rib, blast him in the face then kick when he was down. Then get myself and my family the fuck out of there.

Another time my wife had the kids playing at a McDonald’s play structure. This time it was my middle child who was at the age of 2 or 3. Some fat hideous 5 year old girl decided my boy was going to be her victim. My wife could see she was hunting him but steered away each time because our older boy was too close. Of course they eventually got separated and this 5 year old cunt got my son trapped up in the play structure where she was hitting and scratching him. Scratching him in the face. My older son had to run up there and rescue him.

I asked my son about it after I heard the story from my wife. He said the girl stopped as soon as he got up there. He took his brother by the hand and said “Come on Canyon, let’s go”. I told him he handled it perfectly. I wanted to tell him “NEXT TIME YOU BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE WHO TOUCHES YOUR BROTHER”.

I’m furious now just thinking about these things.

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:
That is very sad.

I remember in high school kids used to pick on me something awful.
Like saying I had a flesh eating disease cause I had pimples or whatever…
But then it got real bad and kids would send me death threats and tell me to kill myself and prank call me like multiple times a day telling me to die or making BJ noises or just random shit like that…

I remember i invited a few girls to my birthday and no one came and one girl call RSVP’ed saying i was fucking stupid for thinking anyone would come to my birthday because everyone hated me.
Oh and one time I got beat up on the smoking hill and everyone stood around cheering and telling them to kick me or whatever. I got up and ran to the bathroom and the principal came in and started hugging me and the vice principal gave me a ride home which was awkward…

So ya then I started home schooling and ya.
I had very good involved parents growing up though, I dunno where everything went so wrong. But that shit does create anxiety disorders and self-esteem issues. For god sakes that happened to me like 8 years ago and I’m still scared of life. Surely things have escalted since I’ve gotten out of high school so I can’t imagine how hard it must be for kids these days.

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Spock, I’m so sorry to hear these things happened to you. You clearly have a heart of gold and not a mean bone in your body.

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:
That is very sad.

I remember in high school kids used to pick on me something awful.
Like saying I had a flesh eating disease cause I had pimples or whatever…
But then it got real bad and kids would send me death threats and tell me to kill myself and prank call me like multiple times a day telling me to die or making BJ noises or just random shit like that…

I remember i invited a few girls to my birthday and no one came and one girl call RSVP’ed saying i was fucking stupid for thinking anyone would come to my birthday because everyone hated me.
Oh and one time I got beat up on the smoking hill and everyone stood around cheering and telling them to kick me or whatever. I got up and ran to the bathroom and the principal came in and started hugging me and the vice principal gave me a ride home which was awkward…

So ya then I started home schooling and ya.
I had very good involved parents growing up though, I dunno where everything went so wrong. But that shit does create anxiety disorders and self-esteem issues. For god sakes that happened to me like 8 years ago and I’m still scared of life. Surely things have escalted since I’ve gotten out of high school so I can’t imagine how hard it must be for kids these days.

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Yeah?

I got held down by my teachers and everyone in my class got a good kick in.

Some got a really gooooood kick in.

Apparently, I was too opinionated and only the teachers actually could hold me down.

Come to think about it, that actually was kind of fucked up.

Anyhow, life sucks, above and beyond and whatnot.

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At least half of them got what they had coming later though.

Going with the herd only makes sense if you stay with it.

Always.

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:
That is very sad.

I remember in high school kids used to pick on me something awful.
Like saying I had a flesh eating disease cause I had pimples or whatever…
But then it got real bad and kids would send me death threats and tell me to kill myself and prank call me like multiple times a day telling me to die or making BJ noises or just random shit like that…

I remember i invited a few girls to my birthday and no one came and one girl call RSVP’ed saying i was fucking stupid for thinking anyone would come to my birthday because everyone hated me.
Oh and one time I got beat up on the smoking hill and everyone stood around cheering and telling them to kick me or whatever. I got up and ran to the bathroom and the principal came in and started hugging me and the vice principal gave me a ride home which was awkward…

So ya then I started home schooling and ya.
I had very good involved parents growing up though, I dunno where everything went so wrong. But that shit does create anxiety disorders and self-esteem issues. For god sakes that happened to me like 8 years ago and I’m still scared of life. Surely things have escalted since I’ve gotten out of high school so I can’t imagine how hard it must be for kids these days.
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Now THAT is some serious bullying. Never did terrible shit like that.

Anyway, I still find it interesting that many people on here were bullied as a kid. With the whole “Alpha Male” yadayada. Not saying being a bully is what people necessarily associate with an Alpha Male, but I guess more so than being a victim/outsider.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:
That is very sad.

I remember in high school kids used to pick on me something awful.
Like saying I had a flesh eating disease cause I had pimples or whatever…
But then it got real bad and kids would send me death threats and tell me to kill myself and prank call me like multiple times a day telling me to die or making BJ noises or just random shit like that…

I remember i invited a few girls to my birthday and no one came and one girl call RSVP’ed saying i was fucking stupid for thinking anyone would come to my birthday because everyone hated me.
Oh and one time I got beat up on the smoking hill and everyone stood around cheering and telling them to kick me or whatever. I got up and ran to the bathroom and the principal came in and started hugging me and the vice principal gave me a ride home which was awkward…

So ya then I started home schooling and ya.
I had very good involved parents growing up though, I dunno where everything went so wrong. But that shit does create anxiety disorders and self-esteem issues. For god sakes that happened to me like 8 years ago and I’m still scared of life. Surely things have escalted since I’ve gotten out of high school so I can’t imagine how hard it must be for kids these days.

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Yeah?

I got held down by my teachers and everyone in my class got a good kick in.

Some got a really gooooood kick in.

Apparently, I was too opinionated and only the teachers actually could hold me down.

Come to think about it, that actually was kind of fucked up.

Anyhow, life sucks, above and beyond and whatnot. [/quote]

And here I thought Austria was paradise on earth.

Go figure…

Too opinionated, huh?

Now THAT is hard to believe.[/quote]

It is except for the people living there :-).

Yeah well, it was the early 80s, lots of teachers still around that got their idea of discipline from the Hitler Youth.

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:
That is very sad.

I remember in high school kids used to pick on me something awful.
Like saying I had a flesh eating disease cause I had pimples or whatever…
But then it got real bad and kids would send me death threats and tell me to kill myself and prank call me like multiple times a day telling me to die or making BJ noises or just random shit like that…

I remember i invited a few girls to my birthday and no one came and one girl call RSVP’ed saying i was fucking stupid for thinking anyone would come to my birthday because everyone hated me.
Oh and one time I got beat up on the smoking hill and everyone stood around cheering and telling them to kick me or whatever. I got up and ran to the bathroom and the principal came in and started hugging me and the vice principal gave me a ride home which was awkward…

So ya then I started home schooling and ya.
I had very good involved parents growing up though, I dunno where everything went so wrong. But that shit does create anxiety disorders and self-esteem issues. For god sakes that happened to me like 8 years ago and I’m still scared of life. Surely things have escalted since I’ve gotten out of high school so I can’t imagine how hard it must be for kids these days.

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Aw babe… come here, big big hug

Damn, that’s fucked up. Sorry to hear you went through this.

A cousin of mine had it hard in high school too. She was 14 back then and I was 15. I didn’t know she was bullied, (we weren’t really that close anyway), I just found out by chance. And for her to admit people were tormenting her was a massive struggle. She was very ashamed of the situation. She couldn’t tell her parents because her bullies made her believe that they knew where she lived and that they would kill her and her family, in their sleep.

I then got into a couple of brutal fights with the bitches. I had never been in trouble before but the teachers and principal knew that I competed in martial arts, so to them I was the bully. What reinforced their point was that the fights were within the school ground, and there were witnesses. And since ‘‘no one’’ never witnessed my cousin being bullied – lies! – it was our word against theirs. It didn’t even matter that they were older girls and their boyfriends, beating and abusing her in the most revolting ways.

In the end, I got expelled ‘cos I broke one the cunts’ arm after she tried to stab me. The knife was quickly stashed away by her friends so I had no proof I’d been attacked first. It was the case of crazy violent judoka vs vulnerable innocent angel. My cousin even refused to denounce the girl as a bully.

A month later, she tried to kill herself by swallowing some pills. Thankfully her mother found her before it was too late. She never returned to that school. I occasionally speak to her over the phone. She’s 24 now and a recluse. It’s been 10 years but she’s still getting help with her self-esteem and trust issues, her agoraphobia and her occasional panic attacks.

As far as I’m concerned, bullies need to be tortured to death for the shit they put vulnerable people through.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Yeah?

I got held down by my teachers and everyone in my class got a good kick in.

Some got a really gooooood kick in.

Apparently, I was too opinionated and only the teachers actually could hold me down.

Come to think about it, that actually was kind of fucked up.

Anyhow, life sucks, above and beyond and whatnot. [/quote]

Wow.

What were you arguing with your teachers about? The theory of mind?

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I was never a bully.

I make my team out of freaks and weirdos

The strangest looking person becomes a sexy mono with corpse paint and leather…

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?

Sucks she took the route she did but damn…

Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.

Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…

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I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]

And the bully wins. The bully’s actions are justified because society expects the victim to change, not the bully.

If a convenience store gets robbed, do you tell the owner “that’s what you get for having a convenience store here!” Of course not.

When you say “so delete your facebook account,” you’re asking a person to isolate themselves to a degree that others don’t have to. Since when is this good? Suppose the “teams and clubs” have the same bullies as members? This was the case when I was bullied at a young age. A lot of the bullies were the ‘cool kids’ who were involved in every fucking thing. The only clubs I could join got me more ridiculed. Once you’re at the bottom of the food chain, it’s damn difficult to move up. Changing schools helps some people, but sometimes only temporarily. And that option is not available to everyone.

The solution just isn’t that simple.[/quote]

Yes.

I giggle when a store opens up in a high crime area and the owner is complaining about being robbed 3x a week.

Sometimes I even consider robbing them myself.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

The strangest looking person becomes a sexy mono with corpse paint and leather…

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You bully.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

The strangest looking person becomes a sexy mono with corpse paint and leather…

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You bully.
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Im a fun bully though.

You cannot deny this.