^ lmao @ Darkninja…theyll be dead.
Look all, I know bullying is bad…and douchey but isnt this whole Amanda Todd thing being blown out of proportion? As if no kid has ever cut themself or committed suicide. Terrible yes but not the first or last time.
You know I have to wonder if she was put on medication due to anxiety and depression. One of the first things they put you on is an SSRI. Most of them have a warning about suicidal thoughts caused by the medication itself.
Makes you think a bit.
So, wait. 4chan is an authority on cyber bullying and how we should treat this situation?
The same 4chan that hunts people down and harrasses them for the sport of it?
Right.
Got it.
As for this girl. She perhaps wasn’t loved or parented, thus found the only way to get attention, albeit the wrong attention, was by constantly offering herself up to the internet wolves.
So.
It’s really sad. Pretty shitty stuff all around. But now, for every kid that’s taking thier own life there are also stories like this coming out.
Lastly, what does this mean to me as a parent?
I’m not yet sure, but I’m going to learn as much as I can.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
So, wait. 4chan is an authority on cyber bullying and how we should treat this situation?
The same 4chan that hunts people down and harrasses them for the sport of it?
Right.
Got it.
As for this girl. She perhaps wasn’t loved or parented, thus found the only way to get attention, albeit the wrong attention, was by constantly offering herself up to the internet wolves.
So.
It’s really sad. Pretty shitty stuff all around. But now, for every kid that’s taking thier own life there are also stories like this coming out.
Lastly, what does this mean to me as a parent?
I’m not yet sure, but I’m going to learn as much as I can.[/quote]
Brad, the same prank happened to a short, overweight, homely and quiet girl at my high school too. And she took it like she had been coronated a princess! Initially I was appalled when I found out later that a small group of my own idiot friends were behind it, but after she won and took it in stride, I thought, “What a great way to end her senior year in high school”.
I hope her parents were proud and not suspicious.
It just disturbs me and I worry about my kid getting subjected to this kind of crap.
What really sickens me is I see all the kids in Amanda’s home town wearing pink. What goes through my head is how many of those kids wearing pink are the ones who contributed to the downfall of this girl.
SOURCE
“Anti-bullying groups, such as bullying.org, estimate that Canadian high schools experience 282,000 incidents of bullying per month. Some of those incidents have led to the suicide of teens.”
That is way to many.
This story isn’t too difficult to understand if you have half a fucking brain. I don’t get what people are going back and forth about…honestly confused
"The RCMP has launched a full investigation into the circumstances surrounding Todd?s death, and announced Saturday it had already received more than 400 tips from around the globe at an email address set up for the case.
?At this point, we?ve got upwards of 20 to 25 full-time investigators that are working on this to try to gain enough information and enough evidence to potentially lay charges against any individual or individuals that may have played a role here in some way,? said Sgt. Peter Thiessen."
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
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I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
[/quote]
I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]
But those kids should not have to do this
[quote]dirtman wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
[/quote]
I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]
But those kids should not have to do this
[/quote]
Should have, would have, could have.
What do you want to do, shelter them their whole youth and let them encounter their first asshole in college?
Outlaw assclownery?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]dirtman wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
[/quote]
I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]
But those kids should not have to do this
[/quote]
Should have, would have, could have.
What do you want to do, shelter them their whole youth and let them encounter their first asshole in college?
Outlaw assclownery?
[/quote]
What this kid encountered was not just one person. It was a mob. It never gave up. It kept on going and going. This goes far beyond a letter or email from one person. This was a hate crime of sorts.
[quote]killerDIRK wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
What a fucking horrible society we’ve become, when our kids take themselves out.
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As tragic as this story is, it seems that bullying is far less pervasive than it used to be when I was a kid.
What is not understood by anybody is how deep those wounds really are.
Personally I think bullies should be stripped naked, tried to a tree in a swamp and let the critters have their way with them. I have no sympathy for a bully. Death penalty, fuck’em. They can all die and go to hell as far as I am concerned.
Look what it does to people? Fuck bullies. Kill them all.
That’s the Christian in me coming out.[/quote]
DAMN Pat, getting all Old Testament on their asses eh ?
So we actually DO have something in common, despite our different religious outlook ?!
Who would have though…
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The Old Testament is too nice.
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Sooo who here on T Nation was (or still is) a bully?
I wouldn’t consider my past self an actual bully but me and my friends did pick on some of the outsiders in our class here and there. However, we were rather harmless I would say. Nobody really had a mean streak. Not like some of the shit we heard others do back then. Still I can imagine those kids didn’t like us very much.
Anyone? [/quote]
You were a bully. To you it was no big deal so you don’t think of it that way. To your victims it was huge.[/quote]
Yup, bullies usually think their actions are harmless or no big deal. The victims take it as a huge deal. Wanna know how seriously the victims take it? See Columbine.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
Sooo who here on T Nation was (or still is) a bully?
I wouldn’t consider my past self an actual bully but me and my friends did pick on some of the outsiders in our class here and there. However, we were rather harmless I would say. Nobody really had a mean streak. Not like some of the shit we heard others do back then. Still I can imagine those kids didn’t like us very much.
Anyone? [/quote]
You were a bully. To you it was no big deal so you don’t think of it that way. To your victims it was huge.[/quote]
Yup, bullies usually think their actions are harmless or no big deal. The victims take it as a huge deal. Wanna know how seriously the victims take it? See Columbine.
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Yeah being picked on and feeling like people everywhere in your social circle hates you can be highly traumatic. It does effect people deeply.
It is unfortunate it took me to be on the other end when I was a child to figure that out. During grade school(1-4). I was a bully I guess you would call it. I would pick on some kids. I felt invincible. It was empowering coming from a dis-functional and abusive home. Only when I got older and people clued in my last name was french, did they start picking on me. It sucked I was the only kid in a small town who was of french decent. But it never stopped them. I learned that lesson the hard way. Felt out of touch with everyone else who lived the 2.5 white picket fence dream. So I learned how to fight(martial arts etc). Started being a bad ass. I always wonder what life would have been like if I never had be treated like that. Would I be different then I am today.
So yeah it does effect people deeply. Specially during the early years in life.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
[/quote]
I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]
And the bully wins. The bully’s actions are justified because society expects the victim to change, not the bully.
If a convenience store gets robbed, do you tell the owner “that’s what you get for having a convenience store here!” Of course not.
When you say “so delete your facebook account,” you’re asking a person to isolate themselves to a degree that others don’t have to. Since when is this good? Suppose the “teams and clubs” have the same bullies as members? This was the case when I was bullied at a young age. A lot of the bullies were the ‘cool kids’ who were involved in every fucking thing. The only clubs I could join got me more ridiculed. Once you’re at the bottom of the food chain, it’s damn difficult to move up. Changing schools helps some people, but sometimes only temporarily. And that option is not available to everyone.
The solution just isn’t that simple.
A lot of bullying issues can be stopped from having loving insightful-engaged parents who take time with their children and discuss issues with them. So in essence have a built in support center for them from the get-go.
For example: A kid was bullying my daughter (who is 6) on the playground at a park we frequent over summer and I was witness to this as well as the little bully’s parents as well. I went over to her(my daughter) after she was pushed down/aside and slandered while ateempting to go down a slide. I stated very loudly so the parents could hear " Sweetie lets go we don’t need to be nice and try to play with that child who is being mean and bullying you. I hope her parents will recognize what is going on and see that there is a problem with this and her actions."
I then explained to my child that some people are just mean in the world and the best course of action is to just leave and ignore the individual(s). I know as she gets older we will adjust as to how we handle situations like this but this is how I am dealing with these problems as they come up now.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
A lot of bullying issues can be stopped from having loving insightful-engaged parents who take time with their children and discuss issues with them. So in essence have a built in support center for them from the get-go.
For example: A kid was bullying my daughter (who is 6) on the playground at a park we frequent over summer and I was witness to this as well as the little bully’s parents as well. I went over to her(my daughter) after she was pushed down/aside and slandered while ateempting to go down a slide. I stated very loudly so the parents could hear " Sweetie lets go we don’t need to be nice and try to play with that child who is being mean and bullying you. I hope her parents will recognize what is going on and see that there is a problem with this and her actions."
I then explained to my child that some people are just mean in the world and the best course of action is to just leave and ignore the individual(s). I know as she gets older we will adjust as to how we handle situations like this but this is how I am dealing with these problems as they come up now.
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And that’s all you can do.
Your story is kind of like Alfred explaining to Bruce Wayne (in regards to the Joker) that some people just “want to watch the world burn…”
It’s useless to feed that beast and give them the satisfaction. I agree with how you treated that situation.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
[/quote]
I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]
And the bully wins. The bully’s actions are justified because society expects the victim to change, not the bully.
If a convenience store gets robbed, do you tell the owner “that’s what you get for having a convenience store here!” Of course not.
When you say “so delete your facebook account,” you’re asking a person to isolate themselves to a degree that others don’t have to. Since when is this good? Suppose the “teams and clubs” have the same bullies as members? This was the case when I was bullied at a young age. A lot of the bullies were the ‘cool kids’ who were involved in every fucking thing. The only clubs I could join got me more ridiculed. Once you’re at the bottom of the food chain, it’s damn difficult to move up. Changing schools helps some people, but sometimes only temporarily. And that option is not available to everyone.
The solution just isn’t that simple.[/quote]
The bully doesn’t win. They bully’s primary objective wasn’t to drive her off of Facebook, it was to harass her. If she doesn’t have the Facebook account, he doesn’t get the satisfaction of knowing she is reading all of the nasty things he has to say.
Not having a Facebook page is much better than subjecting yourself to the harassment that is driving you to suicide.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Why would you log into accounts online if you absolutely knew no one would have anything positive to say on the site about you?
Sucks she took the route she did but damn…
Plenty of places where a kid can find acceptance these days 24 7 bullying only exists if you let it.
Turn it off and join a dojo…anything…kick it at a music store…buy an instrument…find people…start a band…
[/quote]
I agree with this. Delete your Facebook account and join a team or club. It’s like a kid who is bullied on his way home from school at a certain spot. What does he do? He takes a different route home.[/quote]
And the bully wins. The bully’s actions are justified because society expects the victim to change, not the bully.
If a convenience store gets robbed, do you tell the owner “that’s what you get for having a convenience store here!” Of course not.
When you say “so delete your facebook account,” you’re asking a person to isolate themselves to a degree that others don’t have to. Since when is this good? Suppose the “teams and clubs” have the same bullies as members? This was the case when I was bullied at a young age. A lot of the bullies were the ‘cool kids’ who were involved in every fucking thing. The only clubs I could join got me more ridiculed. Once you’re at the bottom of the food chain, it’s damn difficult to move up. Changing schools helps some people, but sometimes only temporarily. And that option is not available to everyone.
The solution just isn’t that simple.[/quote]
The bully doesn’t win. They bully’s primary objective wasn’t to drive her off of Facebook, it was to harass her. If she doesn’t have the Facebook account, he doesn’t get the satisfaction of knowing she is reading all of the nasty things he has to say.
Not having a Facebook page is much better than subjecting yourself to the harassment that is driving you to suicide.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure Facebook harassing wasn’t the only reason she killed herself…