Rioting in St. Lou

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://threepercenternation.com/2014/08/video-what-this-young-black-man-did-while-the-looting-in-ferguson-is-unbelievable/

Interesting. Apparently he is required to think a certain way…[/quote]

If this video is not eye opening to everyone in America, I do not know what is. It is crazy to think that if you are a black man and you do not look like the others are then you are “for the white man” “with the devil” “a Uncle Tom”. It is crazy! And they attacked that journalist for no reason. It is interesting to see how since an unarmed black 18 year old was gunned down, and all the facts are still not in, that it is okay to steal from anyone and everyone. Honestly, I do not get it. Makes no sense to me and something needs to change.

This whole thing has turned into a double decker shit sandwich.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This whole thing has turned into a double decker shit sandwich. [/quote]

Hahahahahaha, very nice!

lol

[quote]BPCorso wrote:

[quote]Pearsy92 wrote:
White peoples response when unarmed black people are shot and killed is reliably hilarious, kind of like a league of gentlemen skit. [/quote]

I’m not necessarily white (depends on who you ask, I don’t claim it) and my response is the media has caused a frenzy that contributes to division in the USA. Sure, there will be a certain sub-set of white people who are reliably racist when incidents like this occur. There will also be a sub-set of whites that reliably believe white people are inherently evil when incidents like this occur. There will also be a sub-set of blacks who think the overall goal of white people is to kill black men.

There’s a sub-set of every type of people and some of the loudest shouting for Wilson’s head are white liberals. Ever here of the Huffington Post? I can flip you’re statement around and say, “Black peoples response when black people face the consequences of attacking an officer is to loot non-black minority owned small businesses, kind of like an N.W.A. video from the late 80s” but that would make me an asshole so I don’t say shit like that.

I don’t think the “white response” on this forum is reliably hilarious. The majority thinking here is that the media is providing biased and unfair coverage that is promoting a counterproductive frenzy. A black Attorney General is involved in the case and he has deployed literally dozens of FBI agents to investigate the case. When there is clear evidence that Michael Brown was unlawfully murdered in cold blood then my opinion will change. Right now it looks like all the initial reports were horseshit.

I’m not sorry for wanting evidence and a thorough investigation before Wilson is crucified and condemned by the public and legal system. I would want the same afforded to me. There are an alarming number of people who think he doesn’t deserve a fair investigation and that is un-American. We’re not Iran or North Korea where the government can decide to punish and execute anyone it wants to without due process.[/quote]

The problem is you are rational and post good stuff, which is not the response I am talking about that happens on this forum.

For example i think Zimmerman is a racist piece of shit, but I think the verdict was right and I think although he killed that boy and he was profiling, he was also getting his ass beat on the street and at that point had the right to defend himself.

That is hardly the opinion of a liberal huff post reader.

I totally support due process, which is why for example I criticise the liberal position on unreported rape statistics which assumes men got off with rape, even if found innocent or was on the police officers side when some unarmed black men have been killed in the past.

But the complete denial of police brutality overwhelmingly targeting black people, not taking this into account for why people in those communities might be angry with the police and see it as an occupation force in their community and might not feel like displaying a yessir boss attitude for the police who pull them over constantly and fuck with them is so irritating.

Some people always have this stance on here of, well he had an attitude, so he deserved to get shot 200 times in the face, he wore saggy pants he was probably a crack dealer.

Basically they jump so far to the right wing denial position in this it almost makes you want to jump the opposite direction to balance it out.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Hey, don’t be shy with your vague accusatory “some people always” bullshit.

Show some sack and name names and quotes so your point can be examined, Sonny.[/quote]

lmao, won’t happen. He won’t address specifics or allow himself to take a solid position on anything, less he has to actually defend it.

He’ll twist and convolute, rebut shit you never said and just generally post line after line of convoluted nonsense in the hopes of confusing you into forgetting the original point due to his loose grasp of a slightly above average vocabulary.

[quote]stefan128 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://threepercenternation.com/2014/08/video-what-this-young-black-man-did-while-the-looting-in-ferguson-is-unbelievable/

Interesting. Apparently he is required to think a certain way…[/quote]

If this video is not eye opening to everyone in America, I do not know what is. It is crazy to think that if you are a black man and you do not look like the others are then you are “for the white man” “with the devil” “a Uncle Tom”. It is crazy! And they attacked that journalist for no reason. It is interesting to see how since an unarmed black 18 year old was gunned down, and all the facts are still not in, that it is okay to steal from anyone and everyone. Honestly, I do not get it. Makes no sense to me and something needs to change. [/quote]

I’m not justifying the looting, nor the blatant racism/bigotry but I think the harsh attitude is the result of years and years of frustration, over a lot of things, boiling over.

Humans are, well human. Sometimes emotion gets the better of them.

I live around Boston, so maybe my experiences are different, but the racism up here is pretty intense. Everyone, and I mean everyone hates everyone else, except white women. (All the most vicious racists I’ve ever met were white women,) but all ethnic groups seem cool with white chicks that aren’t bigots. Blacks hate white people, PR’s, Asians, etc, and they all hate Black people back and all the other groups too. I guess my point is, I could see this happening here.

Were I live we have a huge South East Asian population, and the police force is mostly white men. While most of the violence is gang/drug related and the cops will NOT bust your balls if you aren’t wearing colors, I could see this happening here if the cops were more heavy handed.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]stefan128 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://threepercenternation.com/2014/08/video-what-this-young-black-man-did-while-the-looting-in-ferguson-is-unbelievable/

Interesting. Apparently he is required to think a certain way…[/quote]

If this video is not eye opening to everyone in America, I do not know what is. It is crazy to think that if you are a black man and you do not look like the others are then you are “for the white man” “with the devil” “a Uncle Tom”. It is crazy! And they attacked that journalist for no reason. It is interesting to see how since an unarmed black 18 year old was gunned down, and all the facts are still not in, that it is okay to steal from anyone and everyone. Honestly, I do not get it. Makes no sense to me and something needs to change. [/quote]

I’m not justifying the looting, nor the blatant racism/bigotry but I think the harsh attitude is the result of years and years of frustration, over a lot of things, boiling over.

Humans are, well human. Sometimes emotion gets the better of them.

I live around Boston, so maybe my experiences are different, but the racism up here is pretty intense. Everyone, and I mean everyone hates everyone else, except white women. (All the most vicious racists I’ve ever met were white women,) but all ethnic groups seem cool with white chicks that aren’t bigots. Blacks hate white people, PR’s, Asians, etc, and they all hate Black people back and all the other groups too. I guess my point is, I could see this happening here.

Were I live we have a huge South East Asian population, and the police force is mostly white men. While most of the violence is gang/drug related and the cops will NOT bust your balls if you aren’t wearing colors, I could see this happening here if the cops were more heavy handed. [/quote]

Interesting you should point this out. Most of the most intensely racist people I have met have been from the Northeast. Maybe talking to someone from Mississippi gives them the impression that they can let the full flag fly but I have been legitimately uncomfortable about it. I think part of it is the Southeast has learned how to cohabitate a little better because we seem to be more intertwined in our daily life. We have a fringe that is extremely racist, typically a backwoods group, but it seems as if the “cultured” group from the NE are the ones who have the greatest level of vitriol.

Now blacks I don’t notice the regional differences. The differences there seem more related to urban or rural upbringing.

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Interesting you should point this out. Most of the most intensely racist people I have met have been from the Northeast. Maybe talking to someone from Mississippi gives them the impression that they can let the full flag fly but I have been legitimately uncomfortable about it. I think part of it is the Southeast has learned how to cohabitate a little better because we seem to be more intertwined in our daily life. We have a fringe that is extremely racist, typically a backwoods group, but it seems as if the “cultured” group from the NE are the ones who have the greatest level of vitriol.

Now blacks I don’t notice the regional differences. The differences there seem more related to urban or rural upbringing. [/quote]

Maine is as north and east as you can get and is ~97% white. Whether or not we are more racist than Mississippi is impossible to determine, as we lack the necessary array of skin colors to bring out the worst in people.

We definitely have our fair share of intensely racist people, and an encounter with a person with a southern accent could provide the outlet they’ve been missing for years to just let all the hate out, working under the assumption that a southern accent implies shared hatred of the others.

What we all seem to agree on in the Pine Tree State is that those subhuman Massholes need to learn how to drive on the turnpike. They are just terrible.

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

What we all seem to agree on in the Pine Tree State is that those subhuman Massholes need to learn how to drive on the turnpike. They are just terrible.
[/quote]

lmao…

First off, I’ve been passing people consistently for the last 180miles, and fuck you that yield sign is for YOU guys already on the highway to yield to ME.

:wink:

[quote]stefan128 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://threepercenternation.com/2014/08/video-what-this-young-black-man-did-while-the-looting-in-ferguson-is-unbelievable/

Interesting. Apparently he is required to think a certain way…[/quote]

If this video is not eye opening to everyone in America, I do not know what is. It is crazy to think that if you are a black man and you do not look like the others are then you are “for the white man” “with the devil” “a Uncle Tom”. It is crazy! And they attacked that journalist for no reason. It is interesting to see how since an unarmed black 18 year old was gunned down, and all the facts are still not in, that it is okay to steal from anyone and everyone. Honestly, I do not get it. Makes no sense to me and something needs to change. [/quote]

Amazing.

The only thing left shocking in life is the truth.

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Interesting you should point this out. Most of the most intensely racist people I have met have been from the Northeast. Maybe talking to someone from Mississippi gives them the impression that they can let the full flag fly but I have been legitimately uncomfortable about it. I think part of it is the Southeast has learned how to cohabitate a little better because we seem to be more intertwined in our daily life. We have a fringe that is extremely racist, typically a backwoods group, but it seems as if the “cultured” group from the NE are the ones who have the greatest level of vitriol.

Now blacks I don’t notice the regional differences. The differences there seem more related to urban or rural upbringing. [/quote]

Maine is as north and east as you can get and is ~97% white. Whether or not we are more racist than Mississippi is impossible to determine, as we lack the necessary array of skin colors to bring out the worst in people.

We definitely have our fair share of intensely racist people, and an encounter with a person with a southern accent could provide the outlet they’ve been missing for years to just let all the hate out, working under the assumption that a southern accent implies shared hatred of the others.

What we all seem to agree on in the Pine Tree State is that those subhuman Massholes need to learn how to drive on the turnpike. They are just terrible.
[/quote]

I get miffed when people unfairly characterize the South as all backwards people. In my personal experience, the idea of Southern hospitality is a real thing and I haven’t seen that level of hospitality anywhere else in the US. No doubt parts of Mississippi are equivalent to a 3rd world country using objective measures. But there are good people and they have a wonderful culture. There are horrible people everywhere.

The educated in Mississippi often display less signs of overt racism than people from the Northeast, in my anecdotal experience. They are aware of their history and that effects how they act and talk. I went to a small private college that was full of very white and very rich kids. At the time it was top 5 in least diverse campuses and there was a lot of money, especially those from CT, NY, and NJ. College is the first place where people were openly dropping “niggers” in normal conversation. Not true hatred, more like juvenile joking. The school is in the pseudo-south but primarily comprised of students from the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. Boston and Philly have to be the most overtly racist cities that I have experience with.

[quote]BPCorso wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Interesting you should point this out. Most of the most intensely racist people I have met have been from the Northeast. Maybe talking to someone from Mississippi gives them the impression that they can let the full flag fly but I have been legitimately uncomfortable about it. I think part of it is the Southeast has learned how to cohabitate a little better because we seem to be more intertwined in our daily life. We have a fringe that is extremely racist, typically a backwoods group, but it seems as if the “cultured” group from the NE are the ones who have the greatest level of vitriol.

Now blacks I don’t notice the regional differences. The differences there seem more related to urban or rural upbringing. [/quote]

Maine is as north and east as you can get and is ~97% white. Whether or not we are more racist than Mississippi is impossible to determine, as we lack the necessary array of skin colors to bring out the worst in people.

We definitely have our fair share of intensely racist people, and an encounter with a person with a southern accent could provide the outlet they’ve been missing for years to just let all the hate out, working under the assumption that a southern accent implies shared hatred of the others.

What we all seem to agree on in the Pine Tree State is that those subhuman Massholes need to learn how to drive on the turnpike. They are just terrible.
[/quote]

I get miffed when people unfairly characterize the South as all backwards people. In my personal experience, the idea of Southern hospitality is a real thing and I haven’t seen that level of hospitality anywhere else in the US. No doubt parts of Mississippi are equivalent to a 3rd world country using objective measures. But there are good people and they have a wonderful culture. There are horrible people everywhere.

The educated in Mississippi often display less signs of overt racism than people from the Northeast, in my anecdotal experience. They are aware of their history and that effects how they act and talk. I went to a small private college that was full of very white and very rich kids. At the time it was top 5 in least diverse campuses and there was a lot of money, especially those from CT, NY, and NJ. College is the first place where people were openly dropping “niggers” in normal conversation. Not true hatred, more like juvenile joking. The school is in the pseudo-south but primarily comprised of students from the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. Boston and Philly have to be the most overtly racist cities that I have experience with.[/quote]

I spent nearly a year doing consulting work in Franklin, TN and I found the hospitality there to be quite genuine. It was very pleasant.

Prior to living in Maine I lived in Greenwich, CT for several years, which is just outside of NYC. There is a reason you never hear about NYC or New Jersey hospitality. I understand many people love that part of the world, but I would not take another job in that area for $500,000 per year. No thanks.

Maine is sort of different. Everyone here is friendly for the most part, but in a more reserved and less outgoing way than what you see in the south. Very much a live and let live attitude, and this reflected in our laws, very low crime and general way of life.

Of course, I was not born here, so in the eyes of natives I will always be “from away”, which carries a mostly benign sort of stigma to it.

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]BPCorso wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Interesting you should point this out. Most of the most intensely racist people I have met have been from the Northeast. Maybe talking to someone from Mississippi gives them the impression that they can let the full flag fly but I have been legitimately uncomfortable about it. I think part of it is the Southeast has learned how to cohabitate a little better because we seem to be more intertwined in our daily life. We have a fringe that is extremely racist, typically a backwoods group, but it seems as if the “cultured” group from the NE are the ones who have the greatest level of vitriol.

Now blacks I don’t notice the regional differences. The differences there seem more related to urban or rural upbringing. [/quote]

Maine is as north and east as you can get and is ~97% white. Whether or not we are more racist than Mississippi is impossible to determine, as we lack the necessary array of skin colors to bring out the worst in people.

We definitely have our fair share of intensely racist people, and an encounter with a person with a southern accent could provide the outlet they’ve been missing for years to just let all the hate out, working under the assumption that a southern accent implies shared hatred of the others.

What we all seem to agree on in the Pine Tree State is that those subhuman Massholes need to learn how to drive on the turnpike. They are just terrible.
[/quote]

I get miffed when people unfairly characterize the South as all backwards people. In my personal experience, the idea of Southern hospitality is a real thing and I haven’t seen that level of hospitality anywhere else in the US. No doubt parts of Mississippi are equivalent to a 3rd world country using objective measures. But there are good people and they have a wonderful culture. There are horrible people everywhere.

The educated in Mississippi often display less signs of overt racism than people from the Northeast, in my anecdotal experience. They are aware of their history and that effects how they act and talk. I went to a small private college that was full of very white and very rich kids. At the time it was top 5 in least diverse campuses and there was a lot of money, especially those from CT, NY, and NJ. College is the first place where people were openly dropping “niggers” in normal conversation. Not true hatred, more like juvenile joking. The school is in the pseudo-south but primarily comprised of students from the Mid Atlantic and Northeast. Boston and Philly have to be the most overtly racist cities that I have experience with.[/quote]

I spent nearly a year doing consulting work in Franklin, TN and I found the hospitality there to be quite genuine. It was very pleasant.

Prior to living in Maine I lived in Greenwich, CT for several years, which is just outside of NYC. There is a reason you never hear about NYC or New Jersey hospitality. I understand many people love that part of the world, but I would not take another job in that area for $500,000 per year. No thanks.

Maine is sort of different. Everyone here is friendly for the most part, but in a more reserved and less outgoing way than what you see in the south. Very much a live and let live attitude, and this reflected in our laws, very low crime and general way of life.

Of course, I was not born here, so in the eyes of natives I will always be “from away”, which carries a mostly benign sort of stigma to it.
[/quote]

Where in Franklin TN?

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Where in Franklin TN?[/quote]

My client (keeping everything deliberately vague because internet) was right by the mall, so right on the Brenwood/Franklin border. Jonathan’s Grille can take much of the credit for the last 15 pounds I put on before getting out of consulting and making the time to start taking my health seriously.

Tons of other great restaurants in that area. I really enjoyed my time there, minus the sensation of living in a dog’s ass during the oppressively hot summer.

[quote]twojarslave wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Where in Franklin TN?[/quote]

My client (keeping everything deliberately vague because internet) was right by the mall, so right on the Brenwood/Franklin border. Jonathan’s Grille can take much of the credit for the last 15 pounds I put on before getting out of consulting and making the time to start taking my health seriously.

Tons of other great restaurants in that area. I really enjoyed my time there, minus the sensation of living in a dog’s ass during the oppressively hot summer.
[/quote]

HAH. I used to live not a mile from there. I work on the south side of Franklin. And Tennessee is mild and cool compared to the REAL south.

I have found in California, the group that screams “racism” the most is white liberals.