If you did not catch the fight, maybe you can see it using one of these links.
Franklin gets owned!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5256479910152352747&q=Rich+Franklin+Anderson+Silva
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7434425091593816449&q=Rich+Franklin+Anderson+Silva
Enjoy!
Great post!
Also
HOLY SHIT!
That shit was over once Silva put him in the clinch…or clench…you know what I mean.
Jeez…
I have never seen Franklin this hesitant. He looked completely intimidated. It seemed like his strenght was not at all there. The trouble he had getting out of the clinch! Silva must be a lot stronger then he looks because once he had his hands behind Franklin’s neck it was all over.
Worst Franklin showing ever. Too bad, I had hoped for several rounds.
Props to Silva.
marc
Awesome!
really good clinch work…
Gotta respect Franklin for taking that much punishment before going down, he basically got wailed on for almost two minutes with barely a let up.
Good clips!
That was awesome but also kinda hard to watch. Rich Franklin got brutalized. This is the first round we are talking about people… he was pummeled smashed and bashed until his body was mush. You could see the progression as he was gradually destroyed. He had nothing left after the first minute of that clinch. He was trying to get out of that with everything he had for 1 full minute and he couldnt do it, after that he was useless. Usually one of those knees to the body is a devastating shot, he took a minute of them!
Bad job by Franklin in getting out of that clinch, Obviously Silva is just a much better fighter but Franklin should have gotten out of that… All that rigorous weight training and look what happened… Just shows you its great if you can exert yourself at a high level for an hour straight, but if you cant do it at the highest level for a few minutes your done…
Damn!
That was great work by Silva. Franklin looked like he was trying to dirty box from the inside on the clinch, but after a few hard knees to the midsection, he was rocked and never regained focus. Silva even let go of the MT clinch and Franklin proceeded to walk right back into it.
damn Rich looked like a bum in the ring against silva. Pathetic! Should’ve used the old pepper in the eye trick. Anything to win!
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
That was awesome but also kinda hard to watch. Rich Franklin got brutalized. This is the first round we are talking about people… he was pummeled smashed and bashed until his body was mush. You could see the progression as he was gradually destroyed. He had nothing left after the first minute of that clinch. He was trying to get out of that with everything he had for 1 full minute and he couldnt do it, after that he was useless. Usually one of those knees to the body is a devastating shot, he took a minute of them!
Bad job by Franklin in getting out of that clinch, Obviously Silva is just a much better fighter but Franklin should have gotten out of that… All that rigorous weight training and look what happened… Just shows you its great if you can exert yourself at a high level for an hour straight, but if you cant do it at the highest level for a few minutes your done…[/quote]
The weight training does not matter if you do not know how to clinch. I think stregth and conditioning is not a problem for Rich Franklin.
[quote]otoko wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
The weight training does not matter if you do not know how to clinch. I think stregth and conditioning is not a problem for Rich Franklin.
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It sure looked like a problem. He could not seem to break the clinch due to being overpowered. Silva throws him across the Octagon like a rag doll at one point.
This was definitely not indicative of Rich Frankin.
[quote]Petedacook wrote:
otoko wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
The weight training does not matter if you do not know how to clinch. I think stregth and conditioning is not a problem for Rich Franklin.
It sure looked like a problem. He could not seem to break the clinch due to being overpowered. Silva throws him across the Octagon like a rag doll at one point.
This was definitely not indicative of Rich Frankin. [/quote]
You didn’t read what the guy you replied to said. If you don’t know how to clinch and escape the clinch then it doesn’t matter how strong you are. You need to know the proper technique for escaping it.
When I trained in Thailand I was dragged all over the ring by fighters weighing 90-100 lbs (kids). I thought I could just out muscle them but I was wrong. There is MUCH more technique to it than you think. Not to mention taking those hits to the body saps all your energy anyways.
[quote]Jesse22 wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
otoko wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
The weight training does not matter if you do not know how to clinch. I think stregth and conditioning is not a problem for Rich Franklin.
It sure looked like a problem. He could not seem to break the clinch due to being overpowered. Silva throws him across the Octagon like a rag doll at one point.
This was definitely not indicative of Rich Frankin.
You didn’t read what the guy you replied to said. If you don’t know how to clinch and escape the clinch then it doesn’t matter how strong you are. You need to know the proper technique for escaping it.
When I trained in Thailand I was dragged all over the ring by fighters weighing 90-100 lbs (kids). I thought I could just out muscle them but I was wrong. There is MUCH more technique to it than you think. Not to mention taking those hits to the body saps all your energy anyways.[/quote]
Exactly.
Also SIlva only showed one way of clinching. There are variations depending on what you want to do and how your opponent is reacting. Someone who is very good in the clinch can drag and throw their opponent almost at will, if their opponent has little or no experience with the clinch.
One very basic thing about the clinch is, you control the head the body will follow. Even if you are extremely strong, it is difficult to counter a good clinch with strength alone when your opponent has his weight on your head.
This is a good example of various clinch work.
Here is one thing I did not understand at all, when Franklin got stuck, why did he not bodylock with Silva and try to take him down?
I am not all that familiar with the “clinch” as I am not a Muy Tai or MMA guy, but it seems to me he had Silva’s back to the fence at one point and closing the gap between them would’ve been beneficial for a bit of a repreive from those blows.
Of course hindsight and an observer’s view is much easier than actually being in the ring, but it did seem like common sense that he should do something other than what he was doing.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Here is one thing I did not understand at all, when Franklin got stuck, why did he not bodylock with Silva and try to take him down?
I am not all that familiar with the “clinch” as I am not a Muy Tai or MMA guy, but it seems to me he had Silva’s back to the fence at one point and closing the gap between them would’ve been beneficial for a bit of a repreive from those blows.
Of course hindsight and an observer’s view is much easier than actually being in the ring, but it did seem like common sense that he should do something other than what he was doing.[/quote]
Actually you are right. If you can not get out by pulling away you should go in. Though that might give you only a slight break because if your opponent is much better in the clinch you might catch yourself being thrown to the ground or pulled in different directions. But you can protect your head that way for a bit.
[quote]otoko wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Here is one thing I did not understand at all, when Franklin got stuck, why did he not bodylock with Silva and try to take him down?
I am not all that familiar with the “clinch” as I am not a Muy Tai or MMA guy, but it seems to me he had Silva’s back to the fence at one point and closing the gap between them would’ve been beneficial for a bit of a repreive from those blows.
Of course hindsight and an observer’s view is much easier than actually being in the ring, but it did seem like common sense that he should do something other than what he was doing.
Actually you are right. If you can not get out by pulling away you should go in. Though that might give you only a slight break because if your opponent is much better in the clinch you might catch yourself being thrown to the ground or pulled in different directions. But you can protect your head that way for a bit.
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It seems to me that a Wrestlers “pummel” would have helped get him out of Andersons clinch.
Hold on a second. I think when I said Franklin’s training may have had something to do with it, I assumed we all know that he is the champion and has been fighting for long enough to have experience in breaking a clinch. This wasnt some random guy off the T-Nation message boards in there. This was a very experienced fighter.
Im sure Franklin will take everyone’s advice and check this thread to see what he could have done. HE WAS OVERPOWERED. The problem with the clinch is one of the only ways you can get out leaves you open to potentially even more devastating shots.
For example if Franklin would have tried to hug Silva he could have got an even worse knee to the body, one that could have put him down… I know its hard to get out of but he is the champ he should have gotten out thats what I am saying…
And just to prove my point, who thinks Franklin was beaten in a technical fashion and who thinks it was more that he was overpowered physically?
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
And just to prove my point, who thinks Franklin was beaten in a technical fashion and who thinks it was more that he was overpowered physically?[/quote]
Definetely in a technical fashion. MMA has a lot of facets, and you can’t study them all and be a master. Silva was the master of the clinch, and Franklin probably started really training it hard 6 weeks ago. And I doubt he had anyone to train with with anywhere near Anderson’s ability in terms of Muay Thai.
According to a poster on another board who trains at the same place as Rich, Rich’s MUAY THAI coach said he knows how to get out of the clinch and he (the trainer) has no idea what happened. He said it was like he was a deer in the headlights (paraphrasing).
I have also said that Jorge Gurgel said Rich Franklin had a bad weight cutting experience getting sick along the way. You know Rich has to cut quite a bit. He is a very large 185. Also he made no excuses in the post fight interview which was nice.
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
This wasnt some random guy off the T-Nation message boards in there. This was a very experienced fighter.
Im sure Franklin will take everyone’s advice and check this thread to see what he could have done. [/quote]
I’m sure that he’ll ask you first.
I am glad he did not use the weight cutting excuse, after all he is cutting A LOT OF WEIGHT to get down to 185 to get a physical advantage, if the weight cutting goes wrong, we’ll he’s the only one to blame. After all he chose to cut that weight and it’s part of the game he plays.
I just hope they find a suitable oponent for Silva, i hope they won’t shove Mike Swick down our throat and expect people to pay 40$ for it.
And Rich will need surgery again, that’s another couple of month off of competition. This could become a problem.