I went through the thread looking for results (aka pics) but found none.
Fail.
It’s him against the world(T-Nation) and how many times have we heard that?
I’ll be gladly waiting until next year, and if you do, props for you.
[quote]MickyGee wrote:
Plenty of older people have chimed in, but that still doesn’t change the fact that people aren’t trying to keep you down - there just hasn’t been one person yet inclined to agree with you…
Also, my dad doesn’t and has never lifted… has about 20 years on you… and is undoubtedly stronger than you with your 20+ years of training experience… I am not even claiming he is some sort of genetic freak… he’s pretty average…
I think I’m not alone when I say most people who aren’t even making terribly good progress will have surpassed you within their first year of lifting… no matter their age… without getting fat…
…and you did not already surpass a professional fitness model in LBM… regardless of what you think and whatever drugs they’re feeding you…
Edit: this thread title should be changed to ineedtosuckmyownd-nation.com… why ask for advice if you aren’t going to take it?
…and why does every single member here feel like they are the lone solemn monk in their own little temple of iron… shit is absurd.
OP needs a kick in the ass… not a pat on the back…
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I’ll save you the trouble; the reason I’ve ignored your posts is that you started out with claiming I had “Zero dedication”. That would have meant never setting foot in a gym, once. Not touching a dumbell, not selecting a weight on the machine. And you wrote that AFTER reading my initial post. You then followed that with some crap about your Dad being 60-whatever, never having touched a dumbell, and still able to outlift me. Those were the prime examples, but in addition to the others, I’ve been able to reach an evaluation of you.
I suspect it gives you a thrill, as a young fella, to go up against a man of my standing. But trying to needle me isn’t going to impress me. Trying and FAILING to needle me, even less so. You want to impress me? Show me 80Lbs of steel you slammed on since 18. Or pay off a mortgage before 39. Or build the next Ã?£1bn+ IPO mega-website.
Until then, I’m sorry, but you’re just another punk who jumped up to get beat down. Now, that isn’t an invitation to reply, although I’m sure you’ll do exactly that as you clearly have nothing better to do with your ample time (I’d have had more respect for you if you’d just said “Unemployed but looking damn hard for my first break” instead of “Focussed on starting a career”, in these times it’s not a thing of shame). It’s simply a fact.
I know you think I’m being harsh with you; well, I am but you asked for it. But let me cap off on a positive. I was impressed with that “Fire water” remark. That’s a reference that was going into greater disuse with each passing generation. I like it when the next generation (though technically, you and I are of the same one as I’m not 48 and you’re not 18) takes the best of it’s fathers and grandfathers wisdom, and makes it its own. The best advice I can give you is that in every sphere of life, it’s much better to simply BE correct, than to be perceived as correct. That may seem quite abstract, but try to apply it; you’ll see the difference.
Anyway, one final thing to tell you on this thread; may you slam on many, many pounds of steel.
I’m 54 …have all the “want to” but at 40 you make some gains…at 45 harder to see results. You get over 50 you start to fight to hold on to what you got.
The diet is not magic…reality is coming my friend.
[quote]Jaybee wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
Great thread, I think this should be stickied and added to the Over 35 Lifter forum.
I fear that some of the older guys could come across this forum, read the “shut up and eat!” advice that is totally appropriate for someone half their age, and end up seeing 90% of their weight gains going to fat.
PX, Gregron, and the others are exactly right. If you want to get huge, start early, eat and lift big. if you’re starting later in life, be aggressive but also be realistic. Don’t eat like a 20 year old and expect to see big muscle gains with relatively little fat after dieting down. It’s possible at 20, but not at 40.
Eat enough over maintenance to grow, without expanding your waist line in the process. I agree that 5 pounds of muscle gain in a year is a great accomplishment for someone in their 40s.
What I’ve found is that my actual weight has increased very gradually, but my strength at 45 continues to grow and I regularly hit new records on my lifts.[/quote]
I remember a few other websites populated largely by small guys desperate to get huge, and the advice they gave each other, “Just eat fucking ice cream if you’ve got nothing else, you MUST get the calories into you!!” For the fatties, it was rather like putting Dracula in charge of a blood bank…
That’s the crazy thing about this cosa nostra, brothers; biologically your best time to grow muscle is also the same one in life when you are the most distracted by girls, booze/parties, studies or forging your career (looking back in my case, all 4!!)
Anyway, like I said I made the choices I did, looking back there are certainly things I’d have changed, but no, being a full-time BB’er isn’t one of them. I only ever wanted a physique like Sagi Kalev, and I daresay I’ve gone past him in LMT. But friends, I’ve got muscle memory, I’ve got bodyparts I’ve hardly touched (traps, glutes, obliques etc), and I’ve got 20 years of lifting ingrained into fibres that, until a couple of weeks back, have never had anything more than civilian nutrition. And every non-steroid lifters friend, Creatine.
Just you wait. :)[/quote]
Bud, you are correct in a sense about muscle memory and staying on a “maintenance” diet/training.
Being in a similar position as you, regarding the diet and traing more seriously (i’m 44). What has happened in my experience, is that i’ll make improvements initially, but, my joints, tendons and nervous system in general, rebelled shortly thereafter.
Any kind of imbalances that you have now, WILL catch up to you and bite you in the ass MUCH faster and it’ll be easier to get injured. These injuries will take longer to heal, also. Staying healthy and injury-free, should take priority over any kind of “bulking” imo.
My advice would be to take it slow, listen to your body and set smaller goals. Little improvements make a big difference in the long term.
I’ll be 40 this year. Barring injury or unforeseen health issue, I’m going to keep moving ahead full steam (although I’m due for some “damage control” as PX might say).
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’ll be 40 this year. Barring injury or unforeseen health issue, I’m going to keep moving ahead full steam (although I’m due for some “damage control” as PX might say).[/quote]
Yeah, I was overdue for damage control a few months back. Once you actually get a gut with love handles, it is time to cut back on the chicken wings and pizza.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I’ll be 40 this year. Barring injury or unforeseen health issue, I’m going to keep moving ahead full steam (although I’m due for some “damage control” as PX might say).[/quote]
Yeah, I was overdue for damage control a few months back. Once you actually get a gut with love handles, it is time to cut back on the chicken wings and pizza.
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Mmmmmmm. Chicken wings and piiiiiizzzza.
this call for some hooters after squats