[quote]T-Nick wrote:
Just a Gracie JJ open champion at my weight class. Not much really, but still pretty dam cool thing to have.[/quote]
That’s quite an accomplishment. If what you’ve said is true (i.e., when you started training, that you rolled with Rickson Gracie, etc.), then you must be a BJJ black belt. That is a major accomplishment and something to be very proud of.
In a ring fight or ruled fight yeah props to martial masters, But in a bare all street fight I think its a different story. When someone heavily muscled tackles u it can be pretty hard to get in your stances and shit.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
In a ring fight or ruled fight yeah props to martial masters, But in a bare all street fight I think its a different story. When someone heavily muscled tackles u it can be pretty hard to get in your stances and shit.[/quote]
Also, fighting skills mean diddly squat right after some guy bashes your skull in with a half full bottle of whisky.
Highly skilled fighters just tend to lie on the ground bleeding and not moving much after that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I used to go out with a girl who was a black belt. Her living room was covered with trophies, some as tall as she was. She earned the right to be called “a fighter”. Other people jumping on the bandwagon just come across as wannabes.[/quote]
LOL, I used to date a girl who was a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do and from Korea. I still remember trying to show her how I could kick high… then she showed me how close she could get her foot to my face with a side kick. That was impressive.
[quote]E-Rocko wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I used to go out with a girl who was a black belt. Her living room was covered with trophies, some as tall as she was. She earned the right to be called “a fighter”. Other people jumping on the bandwagon just come across as wannabes.
LOL, I used to date a girl who was a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do and from Korea. I still remember trying to show her how I could kick high… then she showed me how close she could get her foot to my face with a side kick. That was impressive.
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That girl was all around one of the most impressive people I’ve ever met. I stopped talking to her right before she got her PhD and she was only 23. Maybe from knowing people like that, this is why it irks me that now anyone who is even mildly interested and simply goes to a “BJJ gym” is calling themselves a “fighter”.
The belief that every small dude can “skill” his way into beating up guys 3 times as big and strong as they are (because some actually believe that big guys simply can’t fight or their punches don’t do damage) needs to die. While I’m confident she could take down most people, I would have my doubts how things would go in a street fight were there are no rules.
Either way, she earned that title in a ring. People who haven’t should probably quit pretending.
and example of strength beating technique its my teacher, he was out of the rings from jiu jitsu from about one year because of heart problems and stuff, now he is back he keeps winning because he is a fuckin’ ogre and remember the basics, so he slam everybody on the ground with wrestling lock in some position just to tire to opponent then do something like an arm-lock and end of history, of course technique has it place, but without strength, i always prefer to be the stronger one than the faster one. In street fight it just damn who hits first, if you tackle someone to the ground they hit their head on the asphalt and die, simple!
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Just a Gracie JJ open champion at my weight class. Not much really, but still pretty dam cool thing to have.
That’s quite an accomplishment. If what you’ve said is true (i.e., when you started training, that you rolled with Rickson Gracie, etc.), then you must be a BJJ black belt. That is a major accomplishment and something to be very proud of.
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Ha! Thanks. No, Im only a blue, but I would probably get promoted to purple if I ever got a chance to go back out to cali and test. I quit JJ(and all exercising) for awile in there. I was pretty hardcore with BJJ back in 1997 - 2000 but i quit everything for awile. To bad I did, I woulda been a BB by now, LOL. Oh well. Ay my peak in there I was definitely hanging with brown and black belts though even as a blue because I was so much stronger than most people(I was probably the only bjj guy back in those days lifting weights as well)
Oh well.
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
Ay my peak in there I was definitely hanging with brown and black belts though even as a blue because I was so much stronger than most people(I was probably the only bjj guy back in those days lifting weights as well)Oh well. [/quote]
Even now, not many guys lift. It really was one thing that surprised me. Those who do lift aren’t usually doing hard lifts like squats, cleans, etc. Surprised me more than anything else. It makes no sense to me that you’d do a physical sport but not lift.
Lots of guys are doing 4-5 classes a week, too. So they’re dedicated to getting better. But no lifting. Rampant ignorance that the teaching/marketing that with bjj size and strength are irrelevant.
There’s a reason no Gracie is currently a champion while people who know much less bjj (think Matth Hughes) beat even the best examples of strict bjj.
Some really good posts in this thread. I too am really pissed off by the UFC skinny boy badass syndrome thats stinking across America. Still the tried and true method for sizing 99% of people up is looking at them.
I don’t know how somebody in a combat sport, or even ANY SPORT, could ignore strength. They don’t ignore endurance, or technique, or speed. Why strength? Seems to me like a well rounded fighter should possess a good amount of all of them.
To add on to my last post…in the time that I did MT/Boxing (quit to wrestle in HS), the excuse was that it would make you less flexible. The “muscle bound” theory I guess. It was always the skinny guys saying this, not the big-ass former NCAA wrestler instructor or the 220+ heavyweight boxer that trained there. Hmmmm…
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
i always prefer to be the stronger one than the faster one. In street fight it just damn who hits first, if you tackle someone to the ground they hit their head on the asphalt and die, simple![/quote]
I am literally laughing out loud. The the person depicted in this photo ( http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1326614 )
is talking about being stronger or faster than his opponents, and otherwise giving his thoughts on street fights, makes it hard to take anything read here seriously.
[quote]alownage wrote:
To add on to my last post…in the time that I did MT/Boxing (quit to wrestle in HS), the excuse was that it would make you less flexible. The “muscle bound” theory I guess. It was always the skinny guys saying this, not the big-ass former NCAA wrestler instructor or the 220+ heavyweight boxer that trained there. Hmmmm… [/quote]
Well, it is true that it’s harder to keep flexible once you start lifting weights. Before I started lifting I could do the splits, both ways- now, not so much. (even with plenty of stretching)
Oh man story time. I remember walking on some tiled floor throwing my keys up in the air and catching them, and there was a puddle in front of me I didn’t see- I tossed the keys a little too far forward, lunged forward to grab them, and did the splits so fast and far my nuts were banged on the ground. Oh God did that hurt.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
kaisermetal wrote:
i always prefer to be the stronger one than the faster one. In street fight it just damn who hits first, if you tackle someone to the ground they hit their head on the asphalt and die, simple!
I am literally laughing out loud. The the person depicted in this photo ( http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1326614 )
is talking about being stronger or faster than his opponents, and otherwise giving his thoughts on street fights, makes it hard to take anything read here seriously.
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“Hey look steroid guy”. I guess this confirms that I will never need to worry about the majority of the guys even discussing fighting ever actually being a threat in a fight. Then again, I am sure he is the master of his art and no one can withstand his fury.
yeah at least i’m trying to improve you asshole.I don’t know why you professor x every thread has to bash people because they don’t weight at least 300lbs and lift like bulls you don’t about me or my past to say anything what i look like, i wish someday i’ll be able to lift real heavy to overpower anyone at the ring but today i can’t, you and california law, just do your fuckin training i can have my opinion about steroids, why don’t you go inject winstrol up your ass if you like it so much… i don’t have to prove anything to anyone here, i came here to learn and to get better and weight lifting, so knock off…
When i was 16 yo, went to tae kwon do, because of my weigth at that time i had to fight (spar) with guys at least 15 years older than me, Result a broken nose trying to get green belt whilst sparring with a 32 yo block.
Respect, ummm not to all of them,(but that was like 20 years ago).
[quote]Xyo_II wrote:
alownage wrote:
Well, it is true that it’s harder to keep flexible once you start lifting weights. Before I started lifting I could do the splits, both ways- now, not so much. (even with plenty of stretching) [/quote]
I found the opposite to be true. I’m more flexible now then when I was prior to lifting. I hear the same from most lifters also.
You were VERY flexible, maybe you lost some of your flexibility because you stopped practicing?
same here i didn’t lose my flexibility since i started lifting weights, anyone if you feel like that, nothing that stretching more doesn’t help…
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
yeah at least i’m trying to improve you asshole.I don’t know why you professor x every thread has to bash people because they don’t weight at least 300lbs and lift like bulls [/quote]
I don’t weigh 300 lbs. or lift like a bull. I do some things very well. I comment in topics relating to those things. Other things I know little about. There, I keep my mouth shut.
You will never see me commenting in a powerlifting thread, or hear me giving advice on how to rid your body of water before a bodybuilding contest. I don’t know shit about those things.
You don’t know shit about fighting. That’s not an insult: It’s the truth. You thus should not comment about fighting or training to fight - at least until you’ve done something.
I am aware of my strengths and limitations. You should be aware of yours.
The good news is this: You are very young and have a lot of time to learn. If you shed your “I know something” attitude and train really hard, in a couple of years you could be an expert on fighting. That should excite, not depress, you.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Ay my peak in there I was definitely hanging with brown and black belts though even as a blue because I was so much stronger than most people(I was probably the only bjj guy back in those days lifting weights as well)Oh well.
Even now, not many guys lift. It really was one thing that surprised me. Those who do lift aren’t usually doing hard lifts like squats, cleans, etc. Surprised me more than anything else. It makes no sense to me that you’d do a physical sport but not lift.
Lots of guys are doing 4-5 classes a week, too. So they’re dedicated to getting better. But no lifting. Rampant ignorance that the teaching/marketing that with bjj size and strength are irrelevant.
There’s a reason no Gracie is currently a champion while people who know much less bjj (think Matth Hughes) beat even the best examples of strict bjj.
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Oh yea dude, your preaching to the choir man. These guys for the most part don’t lift at all. They think Im strange for doin front squats and farmer walks. When I tell them the best thing to do to get better at armbars is to do pullups, preferably weighted, they think Im crazy.
Im not a fan of MMA nowadays. I think its not even fighting anymore and calling Hughes a fighting champ, to me, is ridiculous. Take away the gloves, rules, rounds, and time limits, and things would change. I’d take Ryron Gracie over Hughes, Penn, GSP any day of the week. But thats all for a different thread 
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Xyo_II wrote:
alownage wrote:
Well, it is true that it’s harder to keep flexible once you start lifting weights. Before I started lifting I could do the splits, both ways- now, not so much. (even with plenty of stretching)
I found the opposite to be true. I’m more flexible now then when I was prior to lifting. I hear the same from most lifters also.
You were VERY flexible, maybe you lost some of your flexibility because you stopped practicing?
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No, I was still practicing when I first started lifting about 4 years ago. Then I stopped lifting a year later, and bit later stopped practicing the martial arts. It could have been that my frame was growing too- I was only 14 years old. But once I started lifting weights I could tell my range of motion was diminished quite a bit. Considering I was stretching for about 15 mins at least 3 days out of the week ever since I was 6 years old, maybe I just noticed it more.