I just read an article about the french election on nrk.no ( Norwegian broadcasting ) and I am interrested in learning more, so dear Kamui would you be so nice and give your opinion on the election process and the pro`s and cons of the different partys?
I understand if you dont want to do this, but if you can I would be very thankfull.
Thanks in advance.
My grandma used to say : “if you don’t have anything good to say, just shut up”.
So i should not speak about french politics.
but anyway…
this election will be a joke, regardless of the results.
Our next president will have very few, if any, actual legitimity.
Here is why :
our “right-wing” (under european standards) candidate, Nicolas Sarkozy, has a rather bad record.
He tried to do an “american-like” campaign : one “story” at a time. One social group at a time.
Which is quite unusual in our country. And quite ineffective.
It worked five years ago. Now, it’s starting to backfire.
our main “left wing” candidate is Francois Hollande. It’s an apparatchik with the charisma of a dormant amoeba.
His campaign has been a campaing of opposition. an anti-sarkozy campaign, without any real and affirmative direction.
As a result, the far left, led by Jean Luc Melenchon, has grown in size and has become quite vocal.
His “front de gauche” (left front) is built on the remnants of the communist party, allied with various people who voted “no” to the european constitution. Paradoxically, Melenchon made a quite “gaullist” campaign, and he may very well attract a fair number of the conservatives who hate sarkozy.
the far right, now led by Jean Marie le Pen’s daughter Marine made the usual fear-based campaign, which is a proven strategy in France.
In short : this time, we will have 4 main candidates.
not the usual 3.
Le Pen’s supporters won’t automatically vote for Sarkozy on the second run.
and the Melenchon’s fan club won’t automatically vote for Holland.
abstention will be very high. And the next president will be elected by less than 25 actual percent of the citizens.
More importantly : no one amongst the main 4 has a real plan to avoid us the sad fate of Greece.
I think i said on an old topic that i would not vote for a candidate who can’t read Latin and/or Greek.
I was not joking.
I won’t vote this time.
[quote]kamui wrote:
More importantly : no one amongst the main 4 has a real plan to avoid us the sad fate of Greece.
I think i said on an old topic that i would not vote for a candidate who can’t read Latin and/or Greek.
I was not joking.
I won’t vote this time.
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One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
More importantly : no one amongst the main 4 has a real plan to avoid us the sad fate of Greece.
I think i said on an old topic that i would not vote for a candidate who can’t read Latin and/or Greek.
I was not joking.
I won’t vote this time.
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One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. - Plato[/quote]
Sad truth. And that the people who desire to govern often should never be allowed to do so.
[quote]kamui wrote:
My grandma used to say : “if you don’t have anything good to say, just shut up”.
So i should not speak about french politics.
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Haha…
okay.
If Hollande wins, what would you think the outcome of that would be?
What do you mean with a “gaullist” campaign?
It is a proven strategy every where, the second biggest party in the norwegian parliament is a right-wing populist party.
What must be done in your opinion to avoid that France goes in Greeces footsteps?
Why is it important that a canditate can read Greek and/or Latin?
btw Thanks for taking your time to answer my questions Kamui.
'How do you get young non-white people to vote for you when you?re a middle-aged balding white man? Francois Hollande has the answer.
Take a popular song by two famous US rap stars. Film yourself surrounded by black and Arab voters who say ‘big-up’. Change your name to initials only. Get some Final Cut whiz kid to paste it all together with a load of fast-forward and zoom. Set up a YouTube account with the word ‘crew’ in it.
And upload’:
‘With Francois Hollande as president, Muslims will be able to import even more Muslims and have even higher social benefits - that in turn will attract even more Muslims that can (vote for) vote for even more Socialists. 95 percent of Muslims in France vote for the socialists. The socialists’ strategy is clear: burden your own countries with weak immigrants from a less civilized culture in order to secure your own reelection. Invite people to our part of the world who have many children and are only able to manage few kinds of jobs, and who will therefore always vote for the Left.’
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If Hollande wins, what would you think the outcome of that would be?[/quote]
At first : a sudden and quite irrationnal rise in tax evasion and outflow of capital.
I say irrationnal because his policy won’t be that different compared to Sarkozy’s one.
A rather “liberal” one, both in the american and european meaning of the word.
in a way, the worst of both worlds.
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What do you mean with a “gaullist” campaign? [/quote]
Gaullism = socially conservative, economically “progressive”, rather protectionnist and isolationnist, mildly anti-american and/or anti-atlantist.
Historically, gaullism was our old (and main) right-wing ideology.
Sarkozy’s rise in power actually contributed to put it six feet under.
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What must be done in your opinion to avoid that France goes in Greeces footsteps? [/quote]
First, say the truth.
Then, ask people what they want to sacrifice first.
Rinse & repeat
But the current generation of politics would need to be replaced by a younger one. ASAP.
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Why is it important that a canditate can read Greek and/or Latin?[/quote]
Because people who can’t read Greek and/or Latin are barbarians.
And barbarians should not be allowed to rule civilized lands.
to SexMachine :
Indeed, but it’s not specific to the left.
During his last campaign, Sarkozy promised us to “clean” the suburbs. He spoke lyrically about our “christian roots”, and he made quite clear that he won’t tolerate the islamization of our country.
But as a result, we got muslim ministers. And Imams invited in our equivalent of the White House, and more mosque built with tax payer money.
Btw, the main point of this clip is “go vote”, because the vast majority of the young muslims do NOT vote at all.
Hollande know that they won’t vote for Sarkozy, and he hope that they will vote for him if they are convinced to vote.
Amusingly enough, when they do vote, they often vote for… Marine Le Pen. Go figure.
She is the first amongst the 18-25 year olds, as was his father before her. And that’s true even in suburban areas.
[quote]kamui wrote:
Gaullism = socially conservative, economically “progressive”, rather protectionnist and isolationnist, mildly anti-american and/or anti-atlantist.
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Mildly? De Gaulle was a bad general, a plagiarist and a tinpot dictator in the Bourbon mould. He made ridiculous demands on the high command during the war. He made ridiculous demands for French control of NATO in 1958. When he was rebuffed he began to limit French participation in NATO. Then withdrew from the NATO command structure and denounced the US and demanded the removal of all US forces/bases from France. After the Algerian War ended he sided with the Communists in Vietnam out of spite of America. Granted diplomatic recognition to China, pursued detente in relation to the Soviet Union, obstructed and opposed the US nuclear non-proliferation treaty and called for the “liberation” of Quebec.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
Gaullism = socially conservative, economically “progressive”, rather protectionnist and isolationnist, mildly anti-american and/or anti-atlantist.
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Mildly? De Gaulle was a bad general, a plagiarist and a tinpot dictator in the Bourbon mould. He made ridiculous demands on the high command during the war. He made ridiculous demands for French control of NATO in 1958. When he was rebuffed he began to limit French participation in NATO. Then withdrew from the NATO command structure and denounced the US and demanded the removal of all US forces/bases from France. After the Algerian War ended he sided with the Communists in Vietnam out of spite of America. Granted diplomatic recognition to China, pursued detente in relation to the Soviet Union, obstructed and opposed the US nuclear non-proliferation treaty and called for the “liberation” of Quebec.[/quote]
That’s exactly why he was the perfect guy to govern the french.^^
“mildly” was ironic btw.
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
Gaullism = socially conservative, economically “progressive”, rather protectionnist and isolationnist, mildly anti-american and/or anti-atlantist.
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Mildly? De Gaulle was a bad general, a plagiarist and a tinpot dictator in the Bourbon mould. He made ridiculous demands on the high command during the war. He made ridiculous demands for French control of NATO in 1958. When he was rebuffed he began to limit French participation in NATO. Then withdrew from the NATO command structure and denounced the US and demanded the removal of all US forces/bases from France. After the Algerian War ended he sided with the Communists in Vietnam out of spite of America. Granted diplomatic recognition to China, pursued detente in relation to the Soviet Union, obstructed and opposed the US nuclear non-proliferation treaty and called for the “liberation” of Quebec.[/quote]
That’s exactly why he was the perfect guy to govern the french.^^
“mildly” was ironic btw.[/quote]
No cheating. Irony and understatement are British inventions.