A recent poll in France showed that 16% of French citizens support ISIS. The number rises to 27% for those between the ages of 18 and 24. By contrast, Francois Hollande’s dhimmi-socialist regime enjoys just 18% support.
Given that France has a massive nuclear arsenal and is one of the permanent members of the UN Security Council with veto power, are these numbers not highly concerning? At what stage should we consider France an enemy? What should or could we do about it?
kamui - I like you my friend. But as Churchill said of the French Navy at Mers-el-Kebir, you must scuttle your fleet or deliver it to us.
I don’t know how 16% of the general population and 27% of children are meant to be scary numbers.
[quote]magick wrote:
I don’t know how 16% of the general population and 27% of children are meant to be scary numbers.[/quote]
1 in 6 French professing support for ISIS is not concerning? You serious? And people between the ages of 18 and 24 are not “children.”
Yes. I am serious. I don’t consider 16% to be a relevant number. I don’t understand how 16% is a serious force in policy making.
I don’t place too much trust in polls in the first place.
Show me that poll so that I can better get an idea on their methodology.
[quote]magick wrote:
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/09winter/goode.pdf
I don’t place much trust in France right now.
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3) Show me that poll so that I can better get an idea on their methodology.[/quote]
You can look into the methodology if you like. It merely confirms what I already know.
“From his experience fomenting Arab revolt against the Turks, T. E. Lawrence concluded that insurgents needed only 2 percent active support from the population…”
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/09winter/goode.pdf[/quote]
I don’t know how a research study on insurgents (I merely skimmed the article, I’m too tired to read into something right now) has anything to do with how 16% of a population is enough to create actual policy change in a state.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You can look into the methodology if you like. It merely confirms what I already know.[/quote]
That’s not the poll.
And if you read the actual poll released by ICM, why couldn’t you just post that instead of posting a bloody news article?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
“From his experience fomenting Arab revolt against the Turks, T. E. Lawrence concluded that insurgents needed only 2 percent active support from the population…”[/quote]
I see.
So you’re suggesting that the 16% of people who support ISIS will lead a rebellion in France?
Or that they’ll travel to the war-zone and take part in the fighting?
Given how you worried about France’s political power (in the form of its permanent member status in the U.N. Security Council) and its military power (in the form of its nuclear weapons), I’d imagine it’s not that you’re worried that people will travel to the war-zone and fight on the behalf of the ISIS.
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/09winter/goode.pdf[/quote]
I don’t know how a research study on insurgents (I merely skimmed the article, I’m too tired to read into something right now) has anything to do with how 16% of a population is enough to create actual policy change in a state.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You can look into the methodology if you like. It merely confirms what I already know.[/quote]
That’s not the poll.
And if you read the actual poll released by ICM, why couldn’t you just post that instead of posting a bloody news article?[/quote]
I didn’t read the poll. I read the news article about the poll. If you want to look into the methodology then do so. Also, see quote above about Lawrence. Frankly, if you’re not concerned about 16% of Frenchmen professing support for ISIS then you’re out of your mind.
[quote]magick wrote:
I see.
So you’re suggesting that the 16% of people who support ISIS will lead a rebellion in France?
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I’m not merely suggesting it I’m categorically stating that it will happen in the very near future.
That too. They already are.
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Given how you worried about France’s political power (in the form of its permanent member status in the U.N. Security Council) and its military power (in the form of its nuclear weapons), I’d imagine it’s not that you’re worried that people will travel to the war-zone and fight on the behalf of the ISIS.[/quote]
Both. The spearhead of the revolution in France will be those who gained experience in the Islamic and return home.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
I see.
So you’re suggesting that the 16% of people who support ISIS will lead a rebellion in France?
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I’m not merely suggesting it I’m categorically stating that it will happen in the very near future.
That too. They already are.
And you’re basing all of this on a single poll that you do not know the methodology, or any real information, of?
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
I see.
So you’re suggesting that the 16% of people who support ISIS will lead a rebellion in France?
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I’m not merely suggesting it I’m categorically stating that it will happen in the very near future.
That too. They already are.
And you’re basing all of this on a single poll that you do not know the methodology, or any real information, of?[/quote]
I’ve already answered that. The poll merely confirms what I already knew. Do you understand demographics?
" Jean-Claude Chesnais, one of France’s leading demographers at the National Institute for the Study of Demographics (Ined), is very blunt:
Migration trends are to intensify over the coming thirty years… . All developed countries will be affected, including East Asia and the former communist countries. There will be an overall mingling of cultures and civilisations that may lead, as far as France is concerned, to the emergence of a predominantly African population and to rapid Islamization."
Do you understand that France’s civil society has already fractured? Are you going to discuss this seriously or just cover your eyes like a kid hiding from the boogeyman?
Up to this point you only posted a single poll to support your view. Given that’s the only thing you had initially posted, that’s the only thing I can go with.
What is there to discuss? I don’t know anything about the issue (I do have the basic understanding that society in France is in serious turmoil right now, but not much beyond that). I responded to you based on my opinion regarding the poll; the only thing you had posted up to this point besides the quote from the French demographer just now.
And you think I’m covering my eyes “like a kid hiding from the boogeyman” because of it.
You astound me.
See the quote above of the French demographer. Frankly, if you don’t already know what’s happening in France then you must be either in denial or utterly uninformed.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Frankly, if you don’t already know what’s happening in France then you must be either in denial or utterly uninformed.[/quote]
Did you know that CA is currently in the midst of a terrible drought that will likely be raising the price of a good deal of basic food-stuff in the U.S.?
Or that parts of Arizona are currently getting historic amounts of rainfall?
[quote]magick wrote:
Did you know that CA is currently in the midst of a terrible drought that will likely be raising the price of a good deal of basic food-stuff in the U.S.?
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Yes I did know that.
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Or that parts of Arizona are currently getting historic amounts of rainfall?[/quote]
No I didn’t know that. Your point?
Another recent poll showed that Marine Le Pen (leader of our far-right National Front party) will probably become our next president.
So, if both polls are to be believed at the same time, i probably need to prepare myself to a civil war.
You, on other hand, should visit France asap.
Enjoy our touristico-industrial complex while it exists.
No thanks. If I want to see France I’ll watch a Jean-Pierre Melville film.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
A recent poll in France showed that 16% of French citizens support ISIS.[/quote]
7% of Americans think the moonlanding was faked and 14% believe in Bigfoot. All these numbers are disturbing but not enough to nuke France, unfortunately.