That’s actually what made it a good joke. That’s where my mind went right away too. Then I saw him reply to you that it was a joke.
After reading it twice, it was indeed a joke. I thought it was pretty funny. Good delivery at least.
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The lack of self-awareness on this thread is truly staggering. As irony-free a zone as one will find.
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To be clear, I’m not arguing against public schools. I got into this mostly to respond to this new spin that school choice was cooked up by the GOP to destroy the education system.
You can support public schools and support school choice. That’s why it’s called choice. And as mentioned, there are many types of school choice, including public charters and lotteries to go to other schools within a district, magnets, etc… Affluent people have always had the choice to choose a school for their kids. My kids have attended public schools from K-12, and I’ve worked in some very good public schools.
I’m not blaming teachers, or making a case that this all rests on failed teachers. I’m not a fan of teacher’s unions, and I mistrust where their loyalties lie. That’s not the same as blaming teachers in the classroom. I’m not sure how you could get that from my posts, since I mentioned family dynamics and other factors.
Not just in this thread, but I’m frequently unsure how to respond to you, because I can’t tell where you stand on an issue. Your style is often to throw in a little gotcha, or ask a question that you know the answer to. And in this thread, your wife works for a charter, but you’re against school choice? Or you’re for school choice, but it’s not always going to be the answer for every kid? I can’t tell where you are on the issue.
I’m afraid I don’t understand why my talking about policies to make sure that the make-up of students eligible for special education matches population demographics would make you REALLY against the idea of charters. Talking about how more little AA three-year-olds are born premature, so statistically speaking, I’m going to see a greater percentage of them in my office. Why would that effect your thoughts on school choice? Are you concerned that more of these kids would need special education services, so you want them to stay where they are?
Again, I’m unclear about what you mean with some of your questions.
You’re unlikely to want kids with behavior problems in your neighborhood school. OK. That’s why a lot of people put their kids in private school, or move to higher socio-economic areas with higher percentages of intact families. But you don’t want other kids who live in the metro neighborhood to have that same choice?
A liberal, as I think you define one, would not post that as a joke nor as a statement of fact since they have to look the other way when certain groups engage in behavior and speech that if done by a white male would bring about a Twitter storm of shaming. They may believe those things I posted reflect conservative beliefs and values but they can’t associate them with an oppressed class, not even in jest, as it contradicts their narrative.
They want to crucify Kanye for supporting Trump but ignore all of the violence, misogyny, homophobia, antisemitism, machismo, avarice, vulgarity, etc., that is ever present in rap. All of that they can dance to but they draw the line at being a Republican.
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It’s because the make-up demographics have nothing to do with it. Pointing out some of the underlying causes of key problems in inner city schools just doesn’t really help to encourage people who escaped said inner city to be in favor of school choice across districts.
I guess in a budgetary sense, but I’d imagine things like that wouldn’t comprise the bulk of the added cost we’d incur by going ‘charter-esque’ nation wide.
If any adult(s) can successfully work their way out of the inner city into the suburbs, I welcome them faster than Jesus with the sick (seeing as how it’s what I did). But school choice from inner city → suburb and vice versa demonstrates the opposite.
Best case scenario, they just go back home after school and are exposed to all of the inner city scenarios I look to avoid. But my house still lost 30k and my daughters see no benefit from the choice aspect.
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Their loyalties should be with the teachers.
Well, it’s a lottery so it isn’t really a guaranteed choice. I don’t think there should be a need for choice. It’s a sham and a way to avoid addressing the real issues. “This community sucks so let’s send its kids to schools with better students (not a better school) from a better community and let them worry about dealing with another community’s failings.” Yes, let every school share the responsibility for curing issues, which they can’t cure, that the politicians should be dealing with.
My wife works in a charter school. She left a public school in the inner city to work there because she believed it would be a better working and learning environment. It isn’t that much better. It’s the same kids with the same problems. Those who push charter schools say that they can overcome the issues these kids have but they are either ignorant or lying. Like I said, go to a suburban school and see how kids behave and go to an inner city school. You will realize that the differences between the two groups run very deep.
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The only way I could support it is if the numbers of kids remains extremely low and they are chosen based on academic performance and lack of behavior issues. I know of a city that dumped its worst students on another town and ruined a school that once had a very good reputation.
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Especially the lazy ones who give up after they get tenure and mail it in for 25 years. Oh and the teachers who abuse students as well. We know union attorneys love defending those guys.
False. Politicians can’t fix “culture” any more than they can change the laws of physics. You can’t legislate culture or fix it from the outside (“silly poor people. They should finish school, avoid drugs, get married and have babies after 21 and actually raise their kids”) changes have to come from individuals themselves.
The last guy to say that kind of thing to the black community was Bill Cosby…
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Provide evidence for your first claim and explain how schools can fix culture.
Politicians can end the drug war.
Just like that, freedom of speech became a conservative value (snaps fingers) and the chanters of “Globalism, renewable, progressive, sustainable” continued their march off of a political cliff.
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The hell you say? You can legislate errythang. And “culture?” Sounds racist.
Sure they can. Crime reduction, vocational/trade programs for unemployment rates, and education. Those 3 factors drive probably half the weight of home buying and “roots laying” decisions (I’d be lying if I said proximity to relatives wasn’t the strongest factor).
Control those 3 factors and you directly influence the supply and demand of people in your city. But instead of a price midpoint you have an average “quality” level.
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Employers demand employable decent people. Not functionally illiterate dropouts. So that increased demand for people will just see new imports to the city.
This only works if the existing population wants to participate.
Unions always protect and value seniority. Not results, effort or professionalism. Seniority always rules. If you’ve never had a teacher that’s maiming it in then congratulations, you’re lucky. In most other fields being meh at your job and not learning anything new for 25 years would get you fired.
For the defending predators. First few results for “teachers union defending predators” on google below.
Schools can’t fix culture. Neither can governments. Not sure where you got that.
http://eagnews.org/records-prove-n-y-union-defends-pervert-teachers-despite-uft-leaders-denials/
https://www.parenting.com/blogs/mom-congress/protected-sex-offenders
So poor people with broken families and no hope can use more drugs, but won’t go to prison UNTIL they steal to support their habit. Got it. While I support ending the war on drugs and it may drop the incarceration rate for poor people. It won’t fix the inner cities.
And a focus on crime, unemployment, and education are the driving forces for that demand.
Also, imports aren’t inherently bad. Not only do they never make up the whole of the increases, but if applied in a systematic way you end with a total average increase.
Isn’t that the goal? Do better on average and see an increase on average?
To participate in what? Targeting low crime, unemployment, and strong education? You mean what every pol already swears by?
You are describing gentrification. There’s debate about whether that’s a good thing for the black community. They often tend to leave those neighborhoods as they get more expensive, and participate less in the upside than other groups.
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You provided no evidence for either claim, I doubt you read the articles.
Ending the war on drugs doesn’t mean what you think it means.
I provided multiple instances of union attorneys defending teachers involved in student abuse. In the one new jersey case the union fought for the teachers pension to be paid, after the teacher was in prison. Whatever man.
Okay champ.
Read your claims again. Everyone is allowed due process.
Yes, yes I am a champion.
Actually, that’s a surprisingly optimistic view of human culture.
Unfortunately, totalitarian systems have shown that culture can indeed be very effectively changed with draconian legislative measures with effects lasting for multiple generations.
And that’s why Singapore and Minsk, Belarus are arguably two of the cleanest cities in the world. Draconian measures.
Naturally, I’m not advocating that, but the uncomfortable truth is top-down imposed measures are effective.
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