Reps With 225

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[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
225 x 10 or 11 will give you a 300 max. I went to a bench press calculator at and it calculates out to 405 ( i know there not all that acurate but you get the idea) so I highly doubt this guy is even honest. [/quote]

I doubt he’s being honest too, but for different reasons. I don’t know why he’d even pose the question “how does this stack up” because anyone who presses 225 for 17 already knows the answer.

That said, maybe he’s doing speed reps and a partial press. Or, maybe he’s using one of those styrofoam plates like the dude in King of Queens was using…

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[quote]Spartan300 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
A 240 clean is top notch as a junior??? Um, no. That’s not true. I full cleaned 295 at the start of my senior year at 175 lbs. and I don’t think that was top notch.

A 225 bench for 17 reps would probably be at the high end, if not the best in the school. Of course, if you weigh 275 and play on the line, this is expected.

As a side note, I saw a high school kid the other day, probably a junior or senior, squat 315 for 5 deep reps. Could not have weighed more than 150 lbs. soaking wet.

Now that is impressive.

You don’t think a 295 clean is Top notch for a Highschool kid?

Here are the results from 2005 US National School age championships.

http://dev.msbn.tv/mmsysFrontEnd/uploadedFiles/05saresults.pdf

As you can see a 295 lb (134 kg, 1 kg=2.2lb) Clean is pretty damn good.

16-17 year olds:
77kg (170lb) 1 kid C&J over 135 kg (297lb)
85kg (187lb) 2 kids C&J over 135 kg (297lb)
94kg (207lb) 1 kid C&J over 135 kg (297lb)
105kg (231lb) 2 kids C&J over 135 kg (297lb)
105+kg (231+lb) 1 kid C&J over 135 kg (297lb)

I seriously think numbers get thrown around way too easy on Internet forums.

look at the results of all these National level Junior results.

http://www.msbn.tv/usavision/displayPage.aspx?id=396

Any Highschool kid who can Clean (Power or full) in the 300 range is “Top Notch”. This is not my “Opinion” rather it is an “Observation” using the results posted on USA weightlifting website.

http://www.msbn.tv/usavision/

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Exactly

People bullshit so much over the net, I honestly think they begin to believe their own bs. Then when they need a reference point, it’s so totally skewed they sound retarded.

I never said it couldn’t be done. I restate my assertion that anyone with those numbers would absolutely know they were ‘top notch’ not only at their school, but nationally as well.

And anyone who can clean 240 would know what it takes to get to that level and would never say they ‘clean a weakish 240.’

Rockscar–I saw that year ago picture with you holding your daughter–if you benched 225/3-4 times in high school--------------------------------------------what the hell happened to you. You are looking good now bro. Props to you.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Where as a bench press only measures upper body strength without the need to stabilize and maintain control.
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Obviously someone who has no clue how to benchpress or is very weak at it…

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
A 240 clean is top notch as a junior??? Um, no. That’s not true. I full cleaned 295 at the start of my senior year at 175 lbs. and I don’t think that was top notch.

A 225 bench for 17 reps would probably be at the high end, if not the best in the school. Of course, if you weigh 275 and play on the line, this is expected.

As a side note, I saw a high school kid the other day, probably a junior or senior, squat 315 for 5 deep reps. Could not have weighed more than 150 lbs. soaking wet.

Now that is impressive.

I’m always tickled by this false modesty and superhuman lifts that exist on the internet; not calling bullshit here, but bro, I can squat in the 7’s and deadlift mid 6 and I cannot clean 295…so please stop saying that it’s not “top notch”…u’re fucking killing me here. granted, I don’t train PC, but let’s stop the bullshit modesty.[/quote]

A 295 clean is superhuman??? Hahaha! Maybe you should go to a real gym.

I was barely in the top 10 on my football team so no, I don’t consider 295 “top notch”.

If you can truly squat in the 700’s and deadlift mid 600 and you CANNOT clean 295, you have a very big weakness. I have seen KIDS who cannot squat 400 nor bench 300 be able to get nearly 275.

Are those numbers your suited up double ply numbers, or are they raw numbers?

I have about a 500 full squat and 575 pull raw and a I’m pretty sure I can clean 315 even though I rarely olympic lift these days.

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
BIGERIC wrote:
225 x 10 or 11 will give you a 300 max. I went to a bench press calculator at and it calculates out to 405 ( i know there not all that acurate but you get the idea) so I highly doubt this guy is even honest.

thats pretty accurate, i know i could barely get 290 for 1 rep but i only weighed 160 and i could get 225 for 8 good and struggle the last 2 usually a spot, i had more endurance anyway, i was never that strong from doing all the push ups[/quote]

I train a high school lineman who has hit 20 reps on 225 a number of times and maxes at around 350lbs at a BW of 270.

So I am hesitant to buy into those “calculators”, if you want to know your max get under the freakin bar. His BW C&J was the best his school had seen, a 240 clean is more than respectable and 17 reps is nothing to shake a stick at any age. Nice Job.

(I agree as a side note that the Bench has little direct carry over on the field but it is one of the best developers of the upper body kids can do safely in a high school environment and until coaches stop using it as the main indicator of overall strength it will remain a quality they look for)

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this was my last year of high school football and i could bench 335lbs. for a max and my form was powerlifting competiton style. bar off rack, hold, down, hold, lockout, and rack. i have no doubt in my mind where i stack up.

oh by the way i weigh about 260. this guy should be happy if he is telling the truth. my school doesnt have bench shirts :frowning: we have 1000lbs. clubs!

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
A 240 clean is top notch as a junior??? Um, no. That’s not true. I full cleaned 295 at the start of my senior year at 175 lbs. and I don’t think that was top notch.

A 225 bench for 17 reps would probably be at the high end, if not the best in the school. Of course, if you weigh 275 and play on the line, this is expected.

As a side note, I saw a high school kid the other day, probably a junior or senior, squat 315 for 5 deep reps. Could not have weighed more than 150 lbs. soaking wet.

Now that is impressive.[/quote]

Well by the sounds of that post you must have dropped that 295 on your head, either that or you’re totally full of shit. A near double bodyweight clean, in high school wasn’t near top notch?? LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOO

You are an idiot.

225 x 17 is a lot easier to believe than a near double bodyweight clean.

I can bench 330 but only clean and press 270, using that ratio as a 175lb teenager you should have been able to bench around 360!! That no doubt wouldn’t have been any where near top notch. Even though a 360 bench should give you 225 at least 20 times +.

C’mon, at least make these fabrications somewhat believable for fuck sakes!

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

I have about a 500 full squat and 575 pull raw and a I’m pretty sure I can clean 315 even though I rarely olympic lift these days.
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So 315 is about 20lbs more than you could do in high school. So correlating that to your other numbers, were you deep squatting 480 and deadlifting 555 as a 175lb teenager as well as your 295 clean?

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[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
A 240 clean is top notch as a junior??? Um, no. That’s not true. I full cleaned 295 at the start of my senior year at 175 lbs. and I don’t think that was top notch.

A 225 bench for 17 reps would probably be at the high end, if not the best in the school. Of course, if you weigh 275 and play on the line, this is expected.

As a side note, I saw a high school kid the other day, probably a junior or senior, squat 315 for 5 deep reps. Could not have weighed more than 150 lbs. soaking wet.

Now that is impressive.

Well by the sounds of that post you must have dropped that 295 on your head, either that or you’re totally full of shit. A near double bodyweight clean, in high school wasn’t near top notch?? LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOO

You are an idiot.

225 x 17 is a lot easier to believe than a near double bodyweight clean.

I can bench 330 but only clean and press 270, using that ratio as a 175lb teenager you should have been able to bench around 360!! That no doubt wouldn’t have been any where near top notch. Even though a 360 bench should give you 225 at least 20 times +.

C’mon, at least make these fabrications somewhat believable for fuck sakes![/quote]

I said CLEAN 295. Not clean and press. Reread the above quote. Seems you are the idiot this time.

Also, weighing 175 lbs. and cleaning 295 is NOT near double bodyweight as you say. It is precisely 1.68 x bodyweight. Closer to 1.5 times.

And if you must know, I did bench 350 as a senior weighing about 180-185 lbs. at the time. I’m not sure what I did 225 for reps for, but it was probably 10-15 or so. I didn’t have very good strength endurance at the time.

There is no formula you can apply across the board to determine how many reps you can do with X if your max is X because different people have different types of strength.

225 for 17 is LESS believable than having a CLEAN of 1.68 x bodyweight for 1 rep. Maybe you went to the school of benching and curls, but my team actually focused on cleans and we had plenty of guys near my strength on the clean, but maybe only 1 or 2 guys who could bench 225 for 17.

These are not fabrications. I have no reason to lie or hide. If you want, you can look me up on other forums and see who I am. I’ve been on T-Nation forums since it began, been reading the mag since issue 60 something.

Who are you pound4pound?

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[quote]Pound4Pound wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:

I have about a 500 full squat and 575 pull raw and a I’m pretty sure I can clean 315 even though I rarely olympic lift these days.

So 315 is about 20lbs more than you could do in high school. So correlating that to your other numbers, were you deep squatting 480 and deadlifting 555 as a 175lb teenager as well as your 295 clean?[/quote]

Dude, where the hell do you get that from? I don’t see how you can apply increasing numbers across the board to every lift? In your example, if I add 100 lbs. to my squat in a year, I should also add 100 lbs. to my bench, deadlift, clean, curls??? Haha!

If you must know, I don’t think I ever full squatted in high school and probably never tested my maximum deadlift. Haha!

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:

Rockscar–I saw that year ago picture with you holding your daughter–if you benched 225/3-4 times in high school--------------------------------------------what the hell happened to you. You are looking good now bro. Props to you.[/quote]

I worked out through HS football and college and was about 145.

What happened?..I got married, had kids, got depressed, started drinking a lot and not eating much. That’s what happened.

I got a good 15 lbs quick with muscle memory though. It only took about a month to get back where I was size wise, but took longer to get stronger than I ever was.

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Oh yeah, and back surgery at 22 did not help matters. My disc is ruptured again, but I still train.

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[quote]bigb6607 wrote:
what is the norm for a high school football player to be doing as of right now im a junior and i do 17 and i was wondering where i stack up
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Why is anyone congratulating this poster?

This question is basically asking “How much can my training stagnate before my ego starts to get damaged because others are catching up to me?”

The norm of other high school people should not be your concern. It should be how to improve. Fuck the norm, strive for elite. If you are being truthful then there is no reason why you should not be able to get to 19-20 reps by the end of this school year.

Whether or not this kid is actually as strong as he says he is, we should not in any way be promoting stagnation. If you want to impress someone and get a little bit of ego stroking, increase your strength even more and you will get all the congratulations you need from real people.

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[quote]tjd772 wrote:
bigb6607 wrote:
what is the norm for a high school football player to be doing as of right now im a junior and i do 17 and i was wondering where i stack up

Why is anyone congratulating this poster?

This question is basically asking “How much can my training stagnate before my ego starts to get damaged because others are catching up to me?”

The norm of other high school people should not be your concern. It should be how to improve. Fuck the norm, strive for elite. If you are being truthful then there is no reason why you should not be able to get to 19-20 reps by the end of this school year.

Whether or not this kid is actually as strong as he says he is, we should not in any way being promoting stagnation. If you want to impress someone and get a little bit of ego stroking, increase your strength even more and you will get all the congratulations you need from real people.

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I second that.

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im not looking for any recognition i was curious because i go to a small high school so in all reality i dont know verymuch about any other schools or the kids they have so i figured i could find out here thanks guys

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This is the internet!! Me and chuck norris are gym partners, we bench press 225 for a warmup for about 4,000 reps just to get the blood flowing you know…

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[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
A 240 clean is top notch as a junior??? Um, no. That’s not true. I full cleaned 295 at the start of my senior year at 175 lbs. and I don’t think that was top notch.

A 225 bench for 17 reps would probably be at the high end, if not the best in the school. Of course, if you weigh 275 and play on the line, this is expected.

As a side note, I saw a high school kid the other day, probably a junior or senior, squat 315 for 5 deep reps. Could not have weighed more than 150 lbs. soaking wet.

Now that is impressive.

I’m always tickled by this false modesty and superhuman lifts that exist on the internet; not calling bullshit here, but bro, I can squat in the 7’s and deadlift mid 6 and I cannot clean 295…so please stop saying that it’s not “top notch”…u’re fucking killing me here. granted, I don’t train PC, but let’s stop the bullshit modesty.

A 295 clean is superhuman??? Hahaha! Maybe you should go to a real gym.

I was barely in the top 10 on my football team so no, I don’t consider 295 “top notch”.

If you can truly squat in the 700’s and deadlift mid 600 and you CANNOT clean 295, you have a very big weakness. I have seen KIDS who cannot squat 400 nor bench 300 be able to get nearly 275.

Are those numbers your suited up double ply numbers, or are they raw numbers?

I have about a 500 full squat and 575 pull raw and a I’m pretty sure I can clean 315 even though I rarely olympic lift these days.
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Did I use the word “superhuman”? Please show me where. I said they were very good for a HS athlete. I think that is indisputable. Only my squat was “suited” up as you say. My dead was raw with belt. But that is irrelevant - I know my “relative” weaknesses - until PC is a lift in powerlifting competition, I won’t sweat it - maybe its my form - maybe a weakness. Go to a real gym? LOL. I don’t understand your point other than the usual internet disrespecful manner of posting - I’ll let it pass.

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i will butt in here and agree with alot of what machine is saying, though i admit the way he comes across on the net is confrontational at times(in person he is a real quiet and nice guy btw).

in the world of 4 ply material, monolifts, and lax judging, a 700lb squat is NOT what it used to be, no disrespect intended. you might be able to bury 700 with minimal or no gear, i dont know, but today, when i hear somebody throw out a 700lb squat it just does not “wow” me like it used to. lots of guys these days in competitive geared PL can squat in the 700’s and not pull 600.

i pull around 625-650 belt only, and i only clean around 300 or so, though my ability to “catch and rack” the weight is a limiting factor with me.

cleans are also a very technical lift. i knew throwers on the HG circuit when i was competing that could not squat 500, but clean around 400…so if you go to a hs strength program where cleans are emphasized, more than likely the clean numbers are going to be higher proportional to the squat and deadlift numbers relative to the average guy who squats a lot but rarely works the clean.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:
i will butt in here and agree with alot of what machine is saying, though i admit the way he comes across on the net is confrontational at times(in person he is a real quiet and nice guy btw).

in the world of 4 ply material, monolifts, and lax judging, a 700lb squat is NOT what it used to be, no disrespect intended. you might be able to bury 700 with minimal or no gear, i dont know, but today, when i hear somebody throw out a 700lb squat it just does not “wow” me like it used to. lots of guys these days in competitive geared PL can squat in the 700’s and not pull 600.

i pull around 625-650 belt only, and i only clean around 300 or so, though my ability to “catch and rack” the weight is a limiting factor with me.

cleans are also a very technical lift. i knew throwers on the HG circuit when i was competing that could not squat 500, but clean around 400…so if you go to a hs strength program where cleans are emphasized, more than likely the clean numbers are going to be higher proportional to the squat and deadlift numbers relative to the average guy who squats a lot but rarely works the clean.

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Well, it’s real easy to be confrontational on the internet isn’t is? It’s why i struggle with posting - putting up with disrespect I never have to suffer in person.

Anyway, on to your point; I agree with you 100% about gear and its absolutely why I’m so disillusioned with the sport in general. My goal from the beginning was never to be world champ but to just total “elite”. Well, what is “elite”? Is it a total that includes drugs? Includes canvass and triple ply? You get my point; its an illusory goal in this sport.

Furthermore, this post was never about MY lifts - my lifts aren’t shit in the grand scheme of things. My squat was done with a double poly - big deal. I can still pull 650 with a belt and the DL is what I consider to be the real measure of strength. I only posted a number to illustrate how ridiculous his criticism of a 290 clean is. I can’t clean 290 and he wants you to believe a high school kid doing it is routine. I call bullshit.

Then fucknuts has a comment about what gym I go to. What fucknuts doesn’t know is that I’m 41 years old and seen alot of shit in my life…seen some of the strongest lifters go…and been to many gyms.

At any rate, Mr. fucknutz aside, I agree with your post - I can find no fault with it…and yes, the clean is a very technical lift. It’s why I’m not up at night sweating why I can pull 650 and not clean 300. There’s a weakness there somewhere - whether it be technical or not - I didn’t need the “machine” to point that out to me. I didn’t get a 650 pull by accident.

Gotta love the internet - and I gotta make a point to make one of these “seminars” so I can see all the disrespectful tough guys.

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hey congrats bro, keep up the hard work. Work those cleans more that pretty good though. My highschool we had about 15 kids in the 225 clean club, most of those being what I called the skinnies. the we had five in the 255 linebacker, fullback, and lineman. I was cleaning 295 the beginning of my senior year so 240 for a junior damn good. OH and the bench is prob one of the tops for a kid just going through his schools strength and conditioning program. Very good keep up the hard work, you got a year left don’t stop or be satisfied. Peace