Reporting Illegal Immigrants

[tuchavito]

wtf??

I’m so dissapointed, wtf is wrong with you guys?? Seriously, are you fucking retarded? Because many of you think like that.

We are all humans, we are all the same, i can’t believe how you get fucking annoyed because inmigrants “steal” your jobs, wtf?? it’s just a fucking job. You talk about inmigrants like if they were fucking aliens.

I always wonder why there is fucking war, why there are kidnaps or murders or that shit, and watching how you talk about other PERSONS just make me sick.

Those illegal motherfuckers who don’t pay taxes, who steal your jobs, and bla bla bla are just trying to survive, they are trying to get some fucking money to feed their families.

what the fuck would you do if you were in such sittuation?, what would you feel if everyone around you would see you as a garbage without knowing you?

Fucking world is falling apart, people is dying, everybody should be trying to help each other, but why would you do such thing if you can critize and hate in stead.

I really hope you never get to know what it feels to hava an entire family and having nothing but a fucking piece of bread to feed them and to have to go to another fucking country to get some money, a country where everybody hates you and will try to run over you at their first chance.

You talk about “your country”, i just want you to remember that we all live in the same planet, and that just because you were born in certain area of i, doesn’t mean you own it.

Just remember that maybe tomorrow you will need your neightbor’s help.

Just fucking calm down and stop treating people like animals.

And just want you to remember that it was YOUR fucking beautiful country with such beautiful laws and shit that invaded a country.

[tuchavito]

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
I have half a mind to sneak over the border into their country and see how they like it.[/quote]

Didn’t your country do that already?

[florelius]

we have the same debate in europa. instead of mexicans its muslim coming to my country. the fascist( read: rightwing people ) in my country wants them out and think alot like many here. the norwegian liberalist party wanted to build camps on svalbard, where they could send them. So be carefull with your aggression against imigrants, before you know it, everyone will shout “sieg heil”.

[bluefingas]

[quote]3hitter wrote:
Riddle me this…Why not stay home and make your own country great?[/quote]
Because its easier to exploit another country than build up your own.

Just another fact. In the United States, it costs $11,919,900,000 to educate illegal immigrant students. There are much. better uses for that money

[Rohnyn]

[quote]bluefingas wrote:

[quote]3hitter wrote:
Riddle me this…Why not stay home and make your own country great?[/quote]
Because its easier to exploit another country than build up your own.

Just another fact. In the United States, it costs $11,919,900,000 to educate illegal immigrant students. There are much. better uses for that money
[/quote]
Yep. What if the USA, just helped and encouraged all of our poor to sneak into Canada to live off the welfare system, and when they worked send money back home.

What would you think of this tactic? This is what Mexico does to us.
The people who run the broder are also basically fucking idiots, many of them leave school, to work in the USA, when the opportunities are TRULY there for advancement if they’d jsut study.
I’ve know Mexican engineers that grew up and poverty, and saw half their peewee soccer team dissapear by Middle School to go trabajr en el norte, while they slaved away and stuck it out to take advantage of the Free higher education system in place…eventually they were getting paid 50k a year to do mining engineering in BFE.

I will say it 1000x, THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE FOR ADVANCEMENT!!! LATIN AMERICA IS NOT AFRICA, WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CIVILIZATION!! THOSE WHO RUN THE BORDER ARE PEOPLE WHO’D RATHER DO LABOR THAN EDUCATE THEMSELVES!

[Rohnyn]

[quote]I really hope you never get to know what it feels to hava an entire family and having nothing but a fucking piece of bread to feed them and to have to go to another fucking country to get some money, a country where everybody hates you and will try to run over you at their first chance.
[/quote]
Hombre, lo que yo no entiendo es cual debeer tiene el gobierno y el sistema estado unidense de soportar la pobreza mexicana? Si todos los humanos son humanos, pero, porque algun grupo de humanos es capaz de sostenerse a un nivel de vida mas alta que otra? Por caso de que se han fijado en avanzar su gente y sociedad con decisiones buenas. La gente de Mexico tiene mas oportunidad para educarse que aqui en los EEUU. Tu sistema de educacion superior es mas alcanzable! Infortunademente, los peones del pais escogen irse a los EEUU a vivir como ratas y cucarachas, en lugar de, desarollarse y su propia socieda. Porque hacen eso? Si los Mexicanos pararian a crecera un futuro para la la generacion viniente, entonces, no habra la pesadumbre de pobreza, injusticia y ignorancia que aumenta el vigor de emigrarse.

Ninguna sociedad tiene un deber de moraleja a sostener los incapaces de una otra.

Lo que tu opinas, es que Mexico tiene el deber de absorbar todos los inaflabetizos y enfermos de Africa, o mejor, Centro America. Pero, tu gente y tu sociedad obviamente no opina asi. Ustedes pegan y abusan los inmigrantes centroamerican brutalmente.

Es el deber de un pueblo de desarollarse si mismo, como es el deber de un hombre a cuidarse, si mismo.
Nadia ha levantado una mano a crear un pais como Australia, ni que los Australianos mandaba sus pueblos al Argentina o Uruguay para sostenerse, cuando estos paises estabana mas ricos.
Esta nacion islena se crecia con su propia obra de mano, sin escaparse o rogar de otras tierras. Pero, tu tratas en justificar que tu pueblo no puede hacer eso! Como crees esta tonteria?

Cread tu propio sistema, no arruinad el sistema de una sociedad ajena, por el caso de avaricia, y celos.

[jasmincar]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]I really hope you never get to know what it feels to hava an entire family and having nothing but a fucking piece of bread to feed them and to have to go to another fucking country to get some money, a country where everybody hates you and will try to run over you at their first chance.
[/quote]
Hombre, lo que yo no entiendo es cual debeer tiene el gobierno y el sistema estado unidense de soportar la pobreza mexicana? Si todos los humanos son humanos, pero, porque algun grupo de humanos es capaz de sostenerse a un nivel de vida mas alta que otra? Por caso de que se han fijado en avanzar su gente y sociedad con decisiones buenas. La gente de Mexico tiene mas oportunidad para educarse que aqui en los EEUU. Tu sistema de educacion superior es mas alcanzable! Infortunademente, los peones del pais escogen irse a los EEUU a vivir como ratas y cucarachas, en lugar de, desarollarse y su propia socieda. Porque hacen eso? Si los Mexicanos pararian a crecera un futuro para la la generacion viniente, entonces, no habra la pesadumbre de pobreza, injusticia y ignorancia que aumenta el vigor de emigrarse.

Ninguna sociedad tiene un deber de moraleja a sostener los incapaces de una otra.

Lo que tu opinas, es que Mexico tiene el deber de absorbar todos los inaflabetizos y enfermos de Africa, o mejor, Centro America. Pero, tu gente y tu sociedad obviamente no opina asi. Ustedes pegan y abusan los inmigrantes centroamerican brutalmente.

Es el deber de un pueblo de desarollarse si mismo, como es el deber de un hombre a cuidarse, si mismo.
Nadia ha levantado una mano a crear un pais como Australia, ni que los Australianos mandaba sus pueblos al Argentina o Uruguay para sostenerse, cuando estos paises estabana mas ricos.

Cread tu propio sistema, no arruinad el sistema de una sociedad ajena, por el caso de avaricia, y celos.[/quote]
nice some spanish
what does these sentences mean ?

-Por caso de que se han fijado en avanzar

-cucarachas, en lugar de, desarollarse y su propia socieda

-Es el deber de un pueblo de desarollarse si mismo, como es el deber de un hombre a cuidarse, si mismo.

I should join hispanic T-Nation, it would be more helpful to my spanish than my english right now

[Rohnyn]

-Por caso de que se han fijado en avanzar

For reason of, having etched themselves into a path of advancement.

-cucarachas, en lugar de, desarollarse y su propia socieda

[to live like] cockroches, instead of, developing themselves and their own society.

-Es el deber de un pueblo de desarollarse si mismo, como es el deber de un hombre a cuidarse, si mismo.

It is the duty of a people to develop themselves on their own, in the same with it is the duty of a man to take care himself, on his own.

These are not literal translations, but meaning translations.
My spanish has some spelling errors cuz I type fast ha.

I should join hispanic T-Nation, it would be more helpful to my spanish than my english right now

If you wanna talk Spanish, pm me, I’ll skype with you and help you get better.

[HBSBound]

I believe that many of the opinions expressed here are based on emotions rather than logic. It seems that most people are drawing fallacious inferences from correlated factors that are not really causal in nature. “Illegal” immigration responds to market forces, as you may have suspected. “Illegal” immigration generally observes a common pattern, high influx of immigrants when the economy is booming and the opposite when the case is reversed. These immigrants self-select geographically into the markets where their “skills” are most valuable - this should be a sequitur from the fact that they need to provide for their personal expenses and sustenance. As someone previously expressed, there are various mechanisms that jurisdictions use to levy taxes upon individuals (e.g. sales, excise, income, intangibles, net worth, general consumption, etc) and immigrants, by default, invariably fall into the set of taxed individuals merely by their existence - it’s delusional to think that they obtain all the goods and services that they consume from the underground economy. However, as of 1996 (when Clinton signed PRWORA into law), unlawful immigrants are disqualified from receiving federal assistance. To concisely summarize my point, if we define Net Cost or Benefit to the economy as you would define any profit identity, then Pft = (Tax Revenue * Number of individuals) - (Costs of serving those individuals). From a purely utilitarian perspective, allowing unlawful immigrants in the economy seems to be a profitable proposition. This is consistent with what we would expect in a free market economy as equilibrium should be reached at a given point and the supply side (unlawful immigrants) would lack incentives to exist in the market in excess of equilibrium (i.e. they would go back to their place of origin).

[Rohnyn]

[quote]HBSBound wrote:
I believe that many of the opinions expressed here are based on emotions rather than logic. It seems that most people are drawing fallacious inferences from correlated factors that are not really causal in nature. “Illegal” immigration responds to market forces, as you may have suspected. “Illegal” immigration generally observes a common pattern, high influx of immigrants when the economy is booming and the opposite when the case is reversed. These immigrants self-select geographically into the markets where their “skills” are most valuable - this should be a sequitur from the fact that they need to provide for their personal expenses and sustenance. As someone previously expressed, there are various mechanisms that jurisdictions use to levy taxes upon individuals (e.g. sales, excise, income, intangibles, net worth, general consumption, etc) and immigrants, by default, invariably fall into the set of taxed individuals merely by their existence - it’s delusional to think that they obtain all the goods and services that they consume from the underground economy. However, as of 1996 (when Clinton signed PRWORA into law), unlawful immigrants are disqualified from receiving federal assistance. To concisely summarize my point, if we define Net Cost or Benefit to the economy as you would define any profit identity, then Pft = (Tax Revenue * Number of individuals) - (Costs of serving those individuals). From a purely utilitarian perspective, allowing unlawful immigrants in the economy seems to be a profitable proposition. This is consistent with what we would expect in a free market economy as equilibrium should be reached at a given point and the supply side (unlawful immigrants) would lack incentives to exist in the market in excess of equilibrium (i.e. they would go back to their place of origin).
[/quote]
You’re making assumptions here, that alot of people seem to make regarding the issue.
You forgot that illegal immigration causes the USA to hemorrhage cash to Mexico, bbecause of the illegal nature of the occurence, it doesn’t make American more industrially competitive, and that the money they are paid in probably would be spent and taxed more heavily by the people giving it away. I think Maximus or PrCalDude when they read your assertion, will pretty easily blow you out of the water.

On a global scale, illegal immigration, provides no economic or competitive advantage to the USA, it actually weaks in it. This seem very obvious to me.

[tuchavito]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]I really hope you never get to know what it feels to hava an entire family and having nothing but a fucking piece of bread to feed them and to have to go to another fucking country to get some money, a country where everybody hates you and will try to run over you at their first chance.
[/quote]
Hombre, lo que yo no entiendo es cual debeer tiene el gobierno y el sistema estado unidense de soportar la pobreza mexicana? Si todos los humanos son humanos, pero, porque algun grupo de humanos es capaz de sostenerse a un nivel de vida mas alta que otra? Por caso de que se han fijado en avanzar su gente y sociedad con decisiones buenas. La gente de Mexico tiene mas oportunidad para educarse que aqui en los EEUU. Tu sistema de educacion superior es mas alcanzable! Infortunademente, los peones del pais escogen irse a los EEUU a vivir como ratas y cucarachas, en lugar de, desarollarse y su propia socieda. Porque hacen eso? Si los Mexicanos pararian a crecera un futuro para la la generacion viniente, entonces, no habra la pesadumbre de pobreza, injusticia y ignorancia que aumenta el vigor de emigrarse.

Ninguna sociedad tiene un deber de moraleja a sostener los incapaces de una otra.

Lo que tu opinas, es que Mexico tiene el deber de absorbar todos los inaflabetizos y enfermos de Africa, o mejor, Centro America. Pero, tu gente y tu sociedad obviamente no opina asi. Ustedes pegan y abusan los inmigrantes centroamerican brutalmente.

Es el deber de un pueblo de desarollarse si mismo, como es el deber de un hombre a cuidarse, si mismo.
Nadia ha levantado una mano a crear un pais como Australia, ni que los Australianos mandaba sus pueblos al Argentina o Uruguay para sostenerse, cuando estos paises estabana mas ricos.
Esta nacion islena se crecia con su propia obra de mano, sin escaparse o rogar de otras tierras. Pero, tu tratas en justificar que tu pueblo no puede hacer eso! Como crees esta tonteria?

Cread tu propio sistema, no arruinad el sistema de una sociedad ajena, por el caso de avaricia, y celos.[/quote]

Tienes razon, que se pudran los inmigrantes, es mas que se pudra toda la gente del planeta, al fin que ese no es MI problema.

I expected more from T-Nation members, i never thought that many of you would think like that.

We are all humans,and in someway brothers, we should help each other, not just try to take every body down.

I hope that your country find a solution to it’s inmigration problem.

And it’s good to also know that we can’t be friends beacuse we live in diferent countries with diferents levels of economy.

It’s sad that you see persons as an object in stead of seeing them as your brothers.

LONG LIVE AMERICA.

[tuchavito]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

On a global scale, illegal immigration, provides no economic or competitive advantage to the USA, it actually weaks in it. This seem very obvious to me.[/quote]

Then tell your people to stop hiring inmigrants, i mean why help others if you can make your country even more rich??

[Standard_Donkey]

[quote]tuchavito wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]I really hope you never get to know what it feels to hava an entire family and having nothing but a fucking piece of bread to feed them and to have to go to another fucking country to get some money, a country where everybody hates you and will try to run over you at their first chance.
[/quote]
Hombre, lo que yo no entiendo es cual debeer tiene el gobierno y el sistema estado unidense de soportar la pobreza mexicana? Si todos los humanos son humanos, pero, porque algun grupo de humanos es capaz de sostenerse a un nivel de vida mas alta que otra? Por caso de que se han fijado en avanzar su gente y sociedad con decisiones buenas. La gente de Mexico tiene mas oportunidad para educarse que aqui en los EEUU. Tu sistema de educacion superior es mas alcanzable! Infortunademente, los peones del pais escogen irse a los EEUU a vivir como ratas y cucarachas, en lugar de, desarollarse y su propia socieda. Porque hacen eso? Si los Mexicanos pararian a crecera un futuro para la la generacion viniente, entonces, no habra la pesadumbre de pobreza, injusticia y ignorancia que aumenta el vigor de emigrarse.

Ninguna sociedad tiene un deber de moraleja a sostener los incapaces de una otra.

Lo que tu opinas, es que Mexico tiene el deber de absorbar todos los inaflabetizos y enfermos de Africa, o mejor, Centro America. Pero, tu gente y tu sociedad obviamente no opina asi. Ustedes pegan y abusan los inmigrantes centroamerican brutalmente.

Es el deber de un pueblo de desarollarse si mismo, como es el deber de un hombre a cuidarse, si mismo.
Nadia ha levantado una mano a crear un pais como Australia, ni que los Australianos mandaba sus pueblos al Argentina o Uruguay para sostenerse, cuando estos paises estabana mas ricos.
Esta nacion islena se crecia con su propia obra de mano, sin escaparse o rogar de otras tierras. Pero, tu tratas en justificar que tu pueblo no puede hacer eso! Como crees esta tonteria?

Cread tu propio sistema, no arruinad el sistema de una sociedad ajena, por el caso de avaricia, y celos.[/quote]

Tienes razon, que se pudran los inmigrantes, es mas que se pudra toda la gente del planeta, al fin que ese no es MI problema.

I expected more from T-Nation members, i never thought that many of you would think like that.

We are all humans,and in someway brothers, we should help each other, not just try to take every body down.

I hope that your country find a solution to it’s inmigration problem.

And it’s good to also know that we can’t be friends beacuse we live in diferent countries with diferents levels of economy.

It’s sad that you see persons as an object in stead of seeing them as your brothers.

LONG LIVE TO AMERICA.
[/quote]

This is what happens when we use emotion instead of logic.

[florelius]

[quote]tuchavito wrote:
wtf??

I’m so dissapointed, wtf is wrong with you guys?? Seriously, are you fucking retarded? Because many of you think like that.

We are all humans, we are all the same, i can’t believe how you get fucking annoyed because inmigrants “steal” your jobs, wtf?? it’s just a fucking job. You talk about inmigrants like if they were fucking aliens.

I always wonder why there is fucking war, why there are kidnaps or murders or that shit, and watching how you talk about other PERSONS just make me sick.

Those illegal motherfuckers who don’t pay taxes, who steal your jobs, and bla bla bla are just trying to survive, they are trying to get some fucking money to feed their families.

what the fuck would you do if you were in such sittuation?, what would you feel if everyone around you would see you as a garbage without knowing you?

Fucking world is falling apart, people is dying, everybody should be trying to help each other, but why would you do such thing if you can critize and hate in stead.

I really hope you never get to know what it feels to hava an entire family and having nothing but a fucking piece of bread to feed them and to have to go to another fucking country to get some money, a country where everybody hates you and will try to run over you at their first chance.

You talk about “your country”, i just want you to remember that we all live in the same planet, and that just because you were born in certain area of i, doesn’t mean you own it.

Just remember that maybe tomorrow you will need your neightbor’s help.

Just fucking calm down and stop treating people like animals.

And just want you to remember that it was YOUR fucking beautiful country with such beautiful laws and shit that invaded a country.[/quote]

I totaly agree with you man, well spoken

heres my 2cent: fuck patriotisme and nationalisme. longe live the internationalisme.

[tuchavito]

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

This is what happens when we use emotion instead of logic.[/quote]

Please enlightme, because for me it’s not logical to treat people like shit.

For me it’s not logical to defend a fucking thing like economy rather than defending people.

I see your point, but what about it??

I won’t follow with this because there are like 10000 facts and studies and shit that will prove how others fuck up your country.

At least i can say that i would defend you before defending my money.

[HBSBound]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]HBSBound wrote:
I believe that many of the opinions expressed here are based on emotions rather than logic. It seems that most people are drawing fallacious inferences from correlated factors that are not really causal in nature. “Illegal” immigration responds to market forces, as you may have suspected. “Illegal” immigration generally observes a common pattern, high influx of immigrants when the economy is booming and the opposite when the case is reversed. These immigrants self-select geographically into the markets where their “skills” are most valuable - this should be a sequitur from the fact that they need to provide for their personal expenses and sustenance. As someone previously expressed, there are various mechanisms that jurisdictions use to levy taxes upon individuals (e.g. sales, excise, income, intangibles, net worth, general consumption, etc) and immigrants, by default, invariably fall into the set of taxed individuals merely by their existence - it’s delusional to think that they obtain all the goods and services that they consume from the underground economy. However, as of 1996 (when Clinton signed PRWORA into law), unlawful immigrants are disqualified from receiving federal assistance. To concisely summarize my point, if we define Net Cost or Benefit to the economy as you would define any profit identity, then Pft = (Tax Revenue * Number of individuals) - (Costs of serving those individuals). From a purely utilitarian perspective, allowing unlawful immigrants in the economy seems to be a profitable proposition. This is consistent with what we would expect in a free market economy as equilibrium should be reached at a given point and the supply side (unlawful immigrants) would lack incentives to exist in the market in excess of equilibrium (i.e. they would go back to their place of origin).
[/quote]
You’re making assumptions here, that alot of people seem to make regarding the issue.
You forgot that illegal immigration causes the USA to hemorrhage cash to Mexico, bbecause of the illegal nature of the occurence, it doesn’t make American more industrially competitive, and that the money they are paid in probably would be spent and taxed more heavily by the people giving it away. I think Maximus or PrCalDude when they read your assertion, will pretty easily blow you out of the water.

On a global scale, illegal immigration, provides no economic or competitive advantage to the USA, it actually weaks in it. This seem very obvious to me.[/quote]

I hope that at some point you come to the realization that your comments are internally inconsistent, superfluous, and just generally flawed in a multidimensional fashion. I’m making no second order assumptions here - you could argue that assumptions are contained in free market theory to which I would respond by referring you back to read why I highlighted “second order,” but I suspect you lack the educational underpinnings and just the general capacity of abstraction to make that type of analysis. Have you taken a class or been exposed to economic theory? That’s fine though, but what strikes me as interesting is that even when trying to “translate” your early comments to Spanish in the hopes of “intellectualizing” your arguments, you did so in the poorest Spanish fathomable. I just chuckled at the irony. Please don’t consider this an ad hominem attack on you. I can’t really deconstruct your point because none was made.

[Standard_Donkey]

[quote]tuchavito wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

This is what happens when we use emotion instead of logic.[/quote]

Please enlightme, because for me it’s not logical to treat people like shit.

For me it’s not logical to defend a fucking thing like economy rather than defending people.

I see your point, but what about it??

I won’t follow with this because there are like 10000 facts and studies and shit that will prove how others fuck up your country.

At least i can say that i would defend you before defending my money.

[/quote]

While your pattern of thought is admirable, in this case it is severely flawed.

completely ignoring the economic implications of illegal immigration

Illegal immigrants (hispanics especially) have a tendency to be ruthlessly violent criminals (generally speaking). They (not all of them of course) rape our wives and daughters, they kill our brothers and sons, and our tax dollars go to educating them, feeding them, and imprisoning them, yet you expect us to view them with something other than the utmost level of contempt?

These people ARE shit, which is why it is completely appropriate to treat them as such.

[VTBalla34]

[quote]HBSBound wrote:

I hope that at some point you come to the realization that your comments are internally inconsistent, superfluous, and just generally flawed in a multidimensional fashion. I’m making no second order assumptions here - you could argue that assumptions are contained in free market theory to which I would respond by referring you back to read why I highlighted “second order,” but I suspect you lack the educational underpinnings and just the general capacity of abstraction to make that type of analysis. Have you taken a class or been exposed to economic theory? That’s fine though, but what strikes me as interesting is that even when trying to “translate” your early comments to Spanish in the hopes of “intellectualizing” your arguments, you did so in the poorest Spanish fathomable. I just chuckled at the irony. Please don’t consider this an ad hominem attack on you. I can’t really deconstruct your point because none was made. [/quote]

Man, you seem to have really good points to make and a good grasp of the English language, along with a pretty impressive vocabulary.

So please, for the love of Je-sus, please start incorporating some white space and carriage returns in your sentences to keep us from going cross eyed when trying to read it!!!

[bluefingas]

[quote]tuchavito wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

This is what happens when we use emotion instead of logic.[/quote]

Please enlightme, because for me it’s not logical to treat people like shit.

For me it’s not logical to defend a fucking thing like economy rather than defending people.

I see your point, but what about it??

I won’t follow with this because there are like 10000 facts and studies and shit that will prove how others fuck up your country.

At least i can say that i would defend you before defending my money.

[/quote]
So what you’re saying is…that its ok to go into another country and break its law? Because that is what you’re saying.
They’re a waste of taxpayer money and aren’t that helpful to the economy.
Yes, there are other things that fuck up our economy, but that’s a completely different topic. This discussion is about ILLEGAL immigration.
Build up your own country, instead out taking ours down with you.