[quote]drewh wrote:
Stop calling them illegals they are people.[/quote]
Your right, the correct term is criminals.[/quote]
Perhaps, if you can be so sure they are illegal. Still, criminals are people.[/quote]
That makes no sense. We are discussing illegal aliens (criminal border jumpers). If they are illegal aliens… I am sure they are illegal aliens.
I don’t think anyone here is saying they aren’t people.
Keep the criminals in their own country.
Mexico has a wealth of natural resources. Mexicans need to get some cajones and get rid of their corrupt government, their entitled wealthy class, and some equality for everyone. All these supposed good workers and noble family men and women should direct all of that wonderfulness in to creating a better future for their country.
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My point is that some people are limiting themselves to prejudicial and somewhat callous mind sets. People, even if they are criminals, still deserve to be treated humanly. In my mind that is a uniquely human strength.
Another factor to consider is that because many of us maintain a prejudicial mindset, we often see illegals everywhere. It is very difficult to say who is here illegally or legally, and you certainly can’t tell by what language they speak or what clothes they wear. Therefore I don’t really see it as a responsibility of a an average citizen to report “illegals”, or in many cases normal people. If you happen to witness crimes or experience property damage like the OP, simply report them to the police.
That is a different discussion. The question is why is your money being stolen from you in the first place?
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Because dumbass liberals don’t understand property rights?
That is a different discussion. The question is why is your money being stolen from you in the first place?
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Because dumbass liberals don’t understand property rights?[/quote]
If by “liberals” you mean Republican Party members as well as Democrats, then yes, I would have to agree with you.
This is all a matter of property rights.
No one has the right to tell me who I can or cannot invite into my home or business to work for me.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
If you happen to witness crimes or experience property damage like the OP, simply report them to the police. [/quote]
Of if you happen to be extremely well covered call your adjuster first so the dumbass coppers don’t fuck up the evidence before the real crime fighting pros can do their job. Yeah, I’m going there…
edit: in fact, if you’re really well covered don’t even bother with calling the cops. Let your insurer handle it.
Odds are if you see a grown up who doesn’t speak any English, they are illegal. What is sad is that in almost every single civilized country, you see English taught and spoken. But those south of the border have no interest in learning that language, go figure.
Mexicans need to get some cajones and get rid of their corrupt government, their entitled wealthy class, and some equality for everyone. All these supposed good workers and noble family men and women should direct all of that wonderfulness in to creating a better future for their country.
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lol
Get rid of US interest in Mexico and make the cost of mexican labor higher? It’s not gonna happen
I am surprised to find the word ‘‘equality’’ in the post of an American
If I leave the country even to visit, I make an effort to at least learn some useful phrases so I can get by in the country I’m visiting. What I DON’T do is demand that everyone else in the host country learn MY language. Granted, some American tourists do act that way, but are derided as being rude and arrogant. So why is it OK for illegals to act like that?
If I leave the country even to visit, I make an effort to at least learn some useful phrases so I can get by in the country I’m visiting. What I DON’T do is demand that everyone else in the host country learn MY language. Granted, some American tourists do act that way, but are derided as being rude and arrogant. So why is it OK for illegals to act like that?[/quote]
Did you know my wife who is Italian/Swedish had ancestors in this country that did not speak English at all? But get this, their children did, and now so does my wife.
If I leave the country even to visit, I make an effort to at least learn some useful phrases so I can get by in the country I’m visiting. What I DON’T do is demand that everyone else in the host country learn MY language. Granted, some American tourists do act that way, but are derided as being rude and arrogant. So why is it OK for illegals to act like that?[/quote]
Did you know my wife who is Italian/Swedish had ancestors in this country that did not speak English at all? But get this, their children did, and now so does my wife.
See how this works?
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Bet they didn’t have Italian or Swedish speaking schooling. Bet those kids had no choice but to learn English to get by. At the public school near my last house in CA, Spanish was the PRIMARY language. Even for non-immigrant kids. See the difference?
Or maybe because most of the inmigrants are people who is very poor, they don’t even have basic studies so technicaly they don’t know how to speak SPANISH properly, now imagine being in an enviorement when they have to learn just by asociating object with words and people laughing in stead of correcting them.
That doesn’t mean they don’t try.
They didn’t assist to a school where the bases to speak english were taught.
I know people like that, and it took them around 2 years to be able to speak english (decently (not reading or writing).
And as you can see i’m mexican and have a decent english comprehension, so not every mexican is an ignorant.
And i don’t think is right to judge a person for the languaje he/she speaks.
If I leave the country even to visit, I make an effort to at least learn some useful phrases so I can get by in the country I’m visiting. What I DON’T do is demand that everyone else in the host country learn MY language. Granted, some American tourists do act that way, but are derided as being rude and arrogant. So why is it OK for illegals to act like that?[/quote]
Did you know my wife who is Italian/Swedish had ancestors in this country that did not speak English at all? But get this, their children did, and now so does my wife.
See how this works?
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Bet they didn’t have Italian or Swedish speaking schooling. Bet those kids had no choice but to learn English to get by. At the public school near my last house in CA, Spanish was the PRIMARY language. Even for non-immigrant kids. See the difference?[/quote]
They were too poor to afford school. Their children grew up bi-lingual and their grandchildren grew up indifferent. Thus the circle of life…
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
I said the straw that broke the camels back. Anyway,where do I begin? The irresponsible behavior that they seem to exhibit towards others peoples property? (One illegal ran over my mailbox with his truck and another smashed into my neighbors gate,neither took responsibility and drove off) The constant public disturbance? (Shootings and loud parties) Oh how about the fact that they litter all over other peoples places? Earlier today,some little scumbag kid through a coke can at my car while I was driving. The sheer disrespect that kid had for me was unbelievable. It was another short of amazing how much I held my fist back and told him to clean up my car. I doubt talking to this kids parent would do any good. I mean if they had any sense they wouldn’t have brought up a kid that thought it was ok to throw a coke can at other peoples windshield. Ive had it with the shit im dealing with these illegals. [/quote]
So…whats the difference between these people you speak of and Americans?
Or maybe because most of the inmigrants are people who is very poor, they don’t even have basic studies so technicaly they don’t know how to speak SPANISH properly, now imagine being in an enviorement when they have to learn just by asociating object with words and people laughing in stead of correcting them.
That doesn’t mean they don’t try.
They didn’t assist to a school where the bases to speak english were taught.
I know people like that, and it took them around 2 years to be able to speak english (decently (not reading or writing).
And as you can see i’m mexican and have a decent english comprehension, so not every mexican is an ignorant.
And i don’t think is right to judge a person for the languaje he/she speaks.
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Good point. We often look at this issue through naive, rose-tinted lenses when we assume that the people fleeing to this country are even literate in their own tongues in the first place.
The Statue of Liberty should be replaced with a billboard of the kind of residential “applicants” the good ol’ USSA is looking for.
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Why should I move? I was born and raised here. Houston,Texas,The United States of America is my birth right. These people weren’t born here. They sure as hell didn’t earn the right to be here. Btw,im using the terminology “Illegal” because they are not here legally. They broke the law. Therefore they are “Illegal Immigrants” Hey I can knock them down a notch and call them “Illegal Aliens” if I wanted to dehumanize them even further.[/quote]
Yes your parents screwing hear makes the U.S. your birth right, and you do realize Texas was previously part of Mexico so a case can be made that it’s more of their birth right. btw how do you earn your right to live here? if you’re born here you’re American. If they are littering and stuff I’d be annoyed too, the point of my post was to say you’re going to have this problem regardless of reporting a few people. Second you could really screw these peoples lives over and lastly don’t be a dick calling a human being illegal is never a nice thing. [/quote]
Last time I checked, Texas was a part of the United States, so no, they have absolutely no birth right to be here.
In my opinion, they should all be deported. It is estimated they cost taxpayers $338.3 billion dollars a year. They’re just a huge burden on our country.[/quote]
Last I checked before it was part of the US is was Mexico’s. [/quote]
Yep 150 years ago…nothing has changed at all in the world during that time…right?
Oh, and you do realize that Mexico annexed about 20% of Guatemala during that same time frame…and yet they imprison any Guat’s that try and get over the border…hypocrisy no?[/quote]
Im not saying Mexico is perfect cause they got their own problem with drug cartel but thats not the point. My point is who are we as Americans say who could live where. If A little mexican is disrespecting you then that doesn’t reflect us in anyway. You can’t go around reporting everyone cause of that guy or a couple other. Move on and do something instead of complain. We have bigger problems.
Odds are if you see a grown up who doesn’t speak any English, they are illegal. What is sad is that in almost every single civilized country, you see English taught and spoken. But those south of the border have no interest in learning that language, go figure. [/quote]
That’s true about english, and I don’t know why that is the case in Mexico. I do know that there is a cast system of sorts in Mexico and that people of spanish decent (white people) tend to be richer and get better education. My guess is that the level of poverty in the country accounts for why so few people understand english there.
Those are the odds though, you are correct. However, sometimes our eyes and ears deceive us. The power of one individuals actions towards others can have immensely negative potential. Therefore, Illegal Immigrants are still people and deserve to be treated fairly under our American system of justice. That’s my say really.
If you haven’t seen the movie Crash, I think it pertains directly to my point. As a movie It’s one of the best of this decade and I can’t recommend it highly enough.
[quote]handsomedevil wrote:
It bothers me when people have to be so damn politically correct, especially in an instance like this. Who cares if “illegals” is very slightly offensive??? 1. Illegal is an accurate description 2. isn’t directly racial 3. WHY SHOULD WE BE SO DELICATELY RESPECTFULL WHEN THEY DON’T EVEN RESPECT OUR LAWS OR SYSTEM!!!
If the shoe fucking fits, wear it! [/quote]
f**k the law and the system. You got criminals(all races) sueing people they tried to rob and getting stuck in the garage for days and ending up sueing thus people. We got cop(criminals) abuseing thier powers and little move “assult on a officer”. [/quote]
This is about as off topic as it gets…you are not that smart are you?
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Your calling people criminals which some are and some are not just like in every race. Point of the matter is yes they are criminals cause they technially they are breaking the law but who cares about the law cause I break it all the time.
That’s true about english, and I don’t know why that is the case in Mexico. I do know that there is a cast system of sorts in Mexico and that people of spanish decent (white people) tend to be richer and get better education. My guess is that the level of poverty in the country accounts for why so few people understand english there.
Illegal Immigrants are still people and deserve to be treated fairly under our American system of justice. That’s my say really.
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So true, Here in mexico eductaion is CRAP, the english that is taught in schools (even high school) is useless, well at least not for mantaining a conversation with an 8 year old USA boy.
And real english classes have to be taken privately, and they are very expensive, i and the ones who can pay for them obviouslly have money, so they don’t have to move to USA to find a job.
So poor people is the one who goes to USA to find a job, an as they didn’t have much education, well it is understandable that they have a hard time learning new words and using them with a proper structure (you don’t say: Hellow i Francisco, i want comida, etc).
As i said before, it’s gonna take them at least 2 years to get used to the structures and learning most of the words that are used in a conversation.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The Statue of Liberty should be replaced with a billboard of the kind of residential “applicants” the good ol’ USSA is looking for.[/quote]
