jskrabak, I was giving an extreme example. He didn’t mention it, but he didn’t mention HOW exactly one should train. EDIT: I WAS POINTING OUT THE ANSWER WAS VERY EFFIN’ VAGUE.
oh dear
You want strong tendons, you have been told how (not just by me).
And now I have to tell you how to train?
Go away.
Come on man. Lol
Search ‘connective tissue turnover’ and find the answer out for yourself.
I’m pleased you’re focussing on the really important parts of being a PT :\
Im with jskrbrac.
Im calling troll.
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This is one of the worst threads I’ve seen on the BB forum, and that’s saying something.
it’s the same guy who weights 110lbs
yeah i forgot that people who do 200 pushups owns 400lbs benchers.
This pencilneck again?
For the sake of giving you your answer and thus shutting you the fuck up… buy the e-book
Metroflex Gym Powerbuilding Basics
from EFS. I know for a fact the answer lies within since I have the fucking book.
GTF over all this stuff man it doesn’t really matter.
Yes it is as simple as do exercise and your tendons will adapt to meet the stress of that exercise. You want to know which rep range is best to build strong tendons, to tell you the truth I have never read anything about this and that is probably because it doesnt matter and there is likely no definative answer.
Bad form will eat up your tendons, so if your shoulders are hurting and your bench is so weak, your form could probably se some tweaking, have you ever gotten a decent PT or coach to teach you the exercises? probably something to do before you try and become one.
Now I will tell you the one thing I do know about tendons and resistance training. That is that tendon injuries and inflamation repond positively to eccentric training. CT is a proponent of eccentricless training so perhaps there is a connection there (this is literaly a wild guess) and thats whyhe trains assisted athletes differently.
Oh yeah there is a certain number of repetitions or exact percentage of max weight that you should be lifting that will make your tendons stronger, and everything else does nothing. Better figure out that tendon specific training if you ever want to bench more than 145 bro!
Give me a fucking break…
Actually, I know what it is you’re doing wrong to make your training so unproductive (besides probably eating like a moron, and spending a whole lot of time making a really simple hobby complicated), and my training partner will know what it is when he reads this too, but we aren’t going to tell you because you act like such a tard.
Here’s a hint: you’re lifting with your tendons already, and that’s not a good thing.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]K-Man32 wrote:
He’s a PT, he needs to tell his clients complicated things so they think he is the messiah.[/quote]
I can simply read up on rate coding and other neurological factors if I want to sound “smart”.
Or even just tell them that they must train their subscapularis and the rest of their rotator cuff and their lower traps in order to prevent shoulder pain. Or that EMG studies have proven the pull-down to work almost no muscle compared to the chin-up.
No, I just seem to be a little more “fragile” than other guys who lift (as I said, I stopped benching when I got to a 154 lb 1RM because my shoulders hurt like shit…oh, and it took me a few month to get there (I was 17 though and had no idea how to train))…
An answer such as “for someone who eats well (i.e. diet not highly pro-inflammatory and takes supplemental vitamin C) there’s no need to worry” would’ve been a little more to the point. (not pointing at you, Count)
But what the fuck, at least point me to some good reading material on the subject.
Since I know one can do dedicated conj. tissue work (from a quote by mr. Mel Siff saying he’ll spend twice as much time developing the c.t. with a trainer who’s on roids than with a natural one).
Yeah, I care about having strong tendons. I don’t want to have a bicep or shoulder (anything in it) tear, because a) I’ll take a wild guess most doctors couldn’t care less about my wish of continuing to lift after a surgery (as such they’ll do a lousy job)
b) I’d have to pay an arm and a leg to get them to actually care and do a really good job (I’m not talking about the official price here)
(as a note, I’ll start being a PT in about two months, after getting the ISSA cert… right now I’m busy with finalizing my degree in civil engineering)[/quote]
I’m a PTA with an undergrad in Exercise Science. You sound far from a PT, especially when you used the term “fragile” when referring to your muscloskeletal system I take it? lol…but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
@Chaddyboxer: you mean that glass is “fragile”, while muscles and tendons and steel and anything elastic isn’t? I’m so glad you can point out the inaccurate term.
By fragile I meant it just seems I break down easier than others, and that’s why I wanted to know what/how one should train in order to strengthen the tendons (if possible, more than with “normal” training).
I’m going to get an ISSA cert, I didn’t (yet) go to college for this. And even then, the curriculum might not cover this.
@mr. Popular: yeah, I’m a tard. I ask a question, am told that I should “just train” (no explanation, no “there’s nothing special you can do for the tendons”, no nothing). If I ask for clarification, I’m told that as a “PT” I should know that. If I point out that the answers are too general, I get a straw-man: “where did they say that” (not that one couldn’t make out ANYTHING out of “just train”). Ha ha.
Oh yeah, every PT in the world must be a combined Siff + Bompa + Verkoshansky +…, and even better, otherwise he’s just a fraud.
An answer such as Modok’s would’ve actually… answered the question.
btw, thank you Modok.
It doesn’t look like I’m the jerk around here. Or, the forum is only for 600+ lb DL-ers/Squatters and brown-nosers, who, when given an answer, will not ask for any clarification (even if they didn’t understand anything)
(also, KHALID, thank you ever so much. There’s one phrase in the book, p. 63, saying that heavy core lifts (DL/BP/Squat etc.) will strengthen tendons. That was truly illuminating.)
Since we’re calling names: dear jerks,
<> No, I did not ever say that any number of reps on bw exercises are better than lifting a lot of weight.
If you would’ve paid some attention when you read what I posted (before this), you would’ve noticed that I did not say that you should do 1A Push-ups instead of other presses WHEN/IF the push-ups are too easy. I did not ever write that doing 200 PUs is better than benching 400. I did not say that unweighted chin-ups are better than weighted chin-ups/heavy rows.
<> No, I don’t weigh 110, I weigh 155.
<> My neck is about 15.5", and I want to get it to >16" this summer. (yeah, I train my neck. Now flame away: “that’s why you’re not growing, because you spend your time training your neck. Just DL and eat and you’ll grow a neck”)
<> If it seems to you that it’s just bad form if I have this kind of shoulder problems when my BP 1 RM = 160*, I guess you also believe everyone can bench 700 raw and DL 1000. Neah…you just want to pick on someone and that’s why you can’t write anything smart.
With all the ~injuries (awaiting another flame: “Dave Tate’s got injuries, Matt Krok’s got injuries, u r just pussy”) I tend to get, do you think I didn’t watch/read AND apply everything I could about lifting technique (BP, DL, Squat)?
*(and any OH pressing => shoulder pain/feeling the shoulder joint is shearing)
If not a troll, this guy is a clown. Any clown gifs anyone?
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Since we’re calling names: dear jerks,[/quote]
You have hurt some feeling with that language sir. Is that you talking or that mean cat of yours?
Ofcourse not, but if you don’t think there is something wrong with a 5’10 23 yr old with three years of training that barely benches their bodywieght of 150, then you will never improve. Don’t blame it on an excuse that your “fragile.”
I do believe there’s something wrong with only pressing 160 @ 154.
Where did I say/give the impression that I’m settling for those weights (on BP and DL, and also as bw)?
It’s just that I only recently “discovered” that I can do dips and 1A push-ups w/o pain. (i.e. any pressing)
Also, those three years are actually: 1 year of f’ed up training (did gain ~20 lbs during that time),
4 years lay-off,
2 years of training, of which 1 1/2 years were spent working only on the DL, erectors, rotator cuff, etc.
(I did not have dipping bars at home, and the last time I did dips during this period I didn’t get any results)
(also, I didn’t chin due to the fact that I had no pressing exercise to train the antagonists)
So…1 year of actual deadlifting and about 6 months of upper body training (first year doesn’t count).
So this is why I am where I am, training wise. I ate too little. Ok. But, in terms of bar weight, I had to be conservative since I struggled for ~5 years with back pain. Heck, I started DLing with only 100 lbs, and very slowly added weight, because my back would bend at 160. And after I began using a 5/3/1 template for DLs…I stalled and my weights went down after ~4 cycles.
[quote]JFG wrote:
Yes, it is that simple.
If your muscles are happy, your tendons are happy. Follow an intelligent program, eat lots, rest… That’s it.
If you don’t like the answer, don’t ask the question.[/quote]
I like this answer.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]JFG wrote:
Fine, here is the answer.
Exercise
What, you thought some magic bullet? Deep secret from the underground? No, it’s exercise. As your muscle grow (naturally, not thru chemistry) so will your tendons as the are composed of the same material. Exact same material.
And if you want to get deeper into the subject
Progressive overload.
Thats right, exercise and keep adding weight on a regular basis (or sets, then weight, etc).
NOW we are talking strong tendons.
Rep range? Seriously?[/quote]
Oh, you shit me not? It really is that simple? You mean that if you only lift at 90+% of your 1RM your tendons will be perfectly healthy and happy? And that’s why mr. Siff said he spends more time training the c.tissues of trainers who are on steroids…
[/quote]
Yes it is that simple… PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD.
Steroids produces strength jumps, not PROGRESSION. People feel they are super strong and skip progressions. This is all good but each jump in weight on a lift raises the chances of you injuring the connective tissues around it. Most debilitating weightlifting and sprinting injuries are produced on days people feel good, because people push much harder than their bodies are prepared for.(not an excuse not to lift hard, just something to keep in mind)
Before somebody runs out and says “so and so made a huge jump in his training last year” when you look at their programs if they push extremely hard one or two consecutive training sessions the experienced will go lighter the next few sessions so that he can train but still push blood into the muscle and tendons he’s working…
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Oh yeah there is a certain number of repetitions or exact percentage of max weight that you should be lifting that will make your tendons stronger, and everything else does nothing. Better figure out that tendon specific training if you ever want to bench more than 145 bro!
Give me a fucking break…
Actually, I know what it is you’re doing wrong to make your training so unproductive (besides probably eating like a moron, and spending a whole lot of time making a really simple hobby complicated), and my training partner will know what it is when he reads this too, but we aren’t going to tell you because you act like such a tard.
Here’s a hint: you’re lifting with your tendons already, and that’s not a good thing.[/quote]
lol. mr popular gave you your answer, pal.