Renne Toney

[quote]kakno wrote:

[quote]alexus wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

… all humans start out as female (basically).

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I’m not sure about this. I think that is like saying all humans were descended from apes (basically).

But that isn’t true. It is rather that humans and apes share a common ancestor (which is not a current day ape anymore than it is a current day human).

Both males and females go through puberty… I guess I think of a man and a woman as being post-pubescent. Pre puberty there is much less differentiation between boys and girls… But I’m not sure that a prepubescent child resembles an adult woman anymore than an adult man.
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He’s not saying male and female babies are the same. He said in utero (in the womb).

In the womb, male and female fetuses are pretty much identical from the start. 6 weeks in, the important stages of differentiation occur. If the SRY gene (usually found on the Y chromosome, but it can be translocated to an X chromosome in rare cases) is expressed, the fetus will grow balls, if not, it will grow ovaries.

If the fetus grows testicles, DHT will be secreted and the external genitalia (which up til this point look exactly the same for boys and girls) will assume the male form. If they don’t make DHT (because the fetus is a girl or because there’s a 5 alpha reductase deficiency), the fetus will look like a female.

Diseases like congenital adrenal hyperplasia can make a female producing excessive amounts of androgens get virilized genitals as well.[/quote]

This

And the question about men being exposed to estrogen.
First, estrogen is a broad term covering a few different hormones. Like how androgen is a broad term covering various ‘male’ hormones.
Second, yes, if a man is exposed to supraphysiological levels of estradiol he may see permanent growth of mammary tissue. But Im not sure of what other visible side effects of estrogen exposure youre talking about.

Oh, and you’ve caught teh ghey if you think this ‘dudes’ face is feminine.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]alexus wrote:

lol @ youtube not censoring a video of a topless woman. After a certain point you cease to be a woman

I thought that, too. And this site has a policy on that as well.

I see that it has been removed now…

But that was pretty interesting, yeah.

Re: The disgusting mutated genitals thing… Don’t weird changes happen to guys, too, sometimes, with their cycles. I thought I’d heard that (but maybe I’m wrong). People don’t seem to make comments about that quite so often…[/quote]

If you’re talking about testicular atrophy (shrinking balls), yes that happens, but they come back afterwards and you can prevent them from shrinking in the first place with HCG. I’m not aware of any other kinds of mutations. [/quote]
Probably should include gyno (I’ve heard of dudes lactating casually) … based on my knowledge the long term effects on women seem to be permanent and I’ve wondered why. Anyone have any thoughts on this?[/quote]

My grossly undereducated guess is because all humans start out as female (basically). Virilization (is this a word?) begins in utero and finishes during puberty for normal males. Normal females are exposed to far less male hormones (DHT, and secondarily Testosterone) so they never develop male characteristics. Virilization is a one way street.

Mind you, all figure competitors at the pro level and high amateur level are using anabolic steroids. Very low doses obviously. Side effects can easily be mitigated save for the few unfortunate women with extremely low thresholds.

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That makes sense. Embryological development didn’t occur to me.

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]alexus wrote:

lol @ youtube not censoring a video of a topless woman. After a certain point you cease to be a woman

I thought that, too. And this site has a policy on that as well.

I see that it has been removed now…

But that was pretty interesting, yeah.

Re: The disgusting mutated genitals thing… Don’t weird changes happen to guys, too, sometimes, with their cycles. I thought I’d heard that (but maybe I’m wrong). People don’t seem to make comments about that quite so often…[/quote]

If you’re talking about testicular atrophy (shrinking balls), yes that happens, but they come back afterwards and you can prevent them from shrinking in the first place with HCG. I’m not aware of any other kinds of mutations. [/quote]
Probably should include gyno (I’ve heard of dudes lactating casually) … based on my knowledge the long term effects on women seem to be permanent and I’ve wondered why. Anyone have any thoughts on this?[/quote]

My grossly undereducated guess is because all humans start out as female (basically). Virilization (is this a word?) begins in utero and finishes during puberty for normal males. Normal females are exposed to far less male hormones (DHT, and secondarily Testosterone) so they never develop male characteristics. Virilization is a one way street.

Mind you, all figure competitors at the pro level and high amateur level are using anabolic steroids. Very low doses obviously. Side effects can easily be mitigated save for the few unfortunate women with extremely low thresholds.

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That makes sense. Embryological development didn’t occur to me.[/quote]

Yes, in effect, being male is a “genetic mutation”.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]alexus wrote:

lol @ youtube not censoring a video of a topless woman. After a certain point you cease to be a woman

I thought that, too. And this site has a policy on that as well.

I see that it has been removed now…

But that was pretty interesting, yeah.

Re: The disgusting mutated genitals thing… Don’t weird changes happen to guys, too, sometimes, with their cycles. I thought I’d heard that (but maybe I’m wrong). People don’t seem to make comments about that quite so often…[/quote]

If you’re talking about testicular atrophy (shrinking balls), yes that happens, but they come back afterwards and you can prevent them from shrinking in the first place with HCG. I’m not aware of any other kinds of mutations. [/quote]
Probably should include gyno (I’ve heard of dudes lactating casually) … based on my knowledge the long term effects on women seem to be permanent and I’ve wondered why. Anyone have any thoughts on this?[/quote]

My grossly undereducated guess is because all humans start out as female (basically). Virilization (is this a word?) begins in utero and finishes during puberty for normal males. Normal females are exposed to far less male hormones (DHT, and secondarily Testosterone) so they never develop male characteristics. Virilization is a one way street.

Mind you, all figure competitors at the pro level and high amateur level are using anabolic steroids. Very low doses obviously. Side effects can easily be mitigated save for the few unfortunate women with extremely low thresholds.

edited[/quote]
That makes sense. Embryological development didn’t occur to me.[/quote]

Yes, in effect, being male is a “genetic mutation”.[/quote]

SHHHH! Don’t let that get out. They (the wimminz) will use that against us.