[quote]stallion wrote:
tassie wrote:
stallion wrote:
I would like to add that I feel very sorry for his wife and kids, who are now alone in this world. It should never have happened this way. I hope they will remember him as the great strongman that he was, and that they get on with their lifes eventually.
Again, get a clue, eat shit, and die
My message is this:
You have one life. And your health is your most important asset. If anyone wants to gamble with that, is is their choice, but I advice against it. Steroids can cause a lot of problems, and many users do not think about the long term bi-effects of their usage.
Your hostile attitude is not something new, I wish you all the best in your future training, and make smart choices in life!
Regards, stallion.
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Your anti-steroid high horse attitude isn’t anything new either. I honestly thought you had more class than that.
You know so little of anything you are talking about, and yet you talk anyways. Honest to god, get a fucking clue. I hope one day you show up at a strongman meet and someone drops a fucking atlas stone on you.
[quote]stallion wrote:
I understand my opinion is not a popular one. In strongman competitions steroid usage is common. It is all about show and circus, if a strongman gets health problems or even dies, not many people care, there is always a new strongman ready to take his place in the events and on tv.
Eurosport aired a program after Marundes death, were he was interviewed about his future in the sports of strongman, he sat there togheter with his wife and kid. There was not one mention in the show about his death. [/quote]
First off, this is a year after his death and he is still mentioned everywhere. When I go to event training, theres at least one mention of him every day. Seriously. After his death, THOUSANDS of people came forward with stories of how he had helped them or touched their lives. How many people have you influenced that way? You think any of these people have forgotten him?
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The TV-channels and the fans do not really care about the persons, they care about what they see, the spectacular strength feats, and the circus, if someone dies or gets injuried or fot other reasons cannot continue, there are always other up and coming strongmen ready to take their place. [/quote]
I dare you to find a single SM competitor that even thinks that they are “taking his place”. The top 2 American competitors right now post on his website, have donated to his family and done charities for him, and regularly state how he helped them and what he did for them when they were starting out. If this is how you perceive the world, then you are a sorry excuse for a human being.[/quote]
[quote]stallion wrote:
What young people need to realize, is that the health is their most important asset. I’ve seen so many tragedies caused by drug usage, and I personally know a few blokes that has made huge achivements in strength sports, but are now on medications the rest of their lifes.[/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about?
Even if he was, which would contradict the autoposy and tox screen, what fucking difference does it make? Do you realize he died from a congenital heart condition? Congenital means inherited at birth, there was nothing he could do about it. Steroids had NOTHING to do with his death.
NOTHING. Even if your heresay was right, it still isn’t relevant. Further, you’re an idiot.
And SFW? Try doing them after a full workout. Besides that, Jesse was a piss poor squatter, it was his worst event BY A MILE. And when you’re doing your 20reps, remember that even after the supersquats book, Jesse was one of the main reasons they are popular.
Go for your 407*20, but lets see if that wins you an invite to the WSM. Lets see you take 2nd in the most prestigious strongman competiton in the world. Lets see you take 2nd in anything. Lets see you personally touch the lives of hundreds of people rather than sit there behind your keyboard and act like you’re better. Maybe instead of trying to take away from one of the nicest people to ever walk this earth after their death, you should try drinking drano. See if people care then.
NOBODY cares what your message is.
Funny, because jesse had none of these problems, so GTFO.
Maybe, just fucking maybe, Jesse reached this level. But then, if anyone else were to take the time and dedication to reach this level, you’d just accuse THEM of steroid use.
I’m going to end this by saying I hope you end up in a car accident and never post on here again. No one cares what you think, so go away.
[quote]stallion wrote:
I understand my opinion is not a popular one. In strongman competitions steroid usage is common. It is all about show and circus, if a strongman gets health problems or even dies, not many people care, there is always a new strongman ready to take his place in the events and on tv.
Eurosport aired a program after Marundes death, were he was interviewed about his future in the sports of strongman, he sat there togheter with his wife and kid. There was not one mention in the show about his death.
The TV-channels and the fans do not really care about the persons, they care about what they see, the spectacular strength feats, and the circus, if someone dies or gets injuried or fot other reasons cannot continue, there are always other up and coming strongmen ready to take their place.
What young people need to realize, is that the health is their most important asset. I’ve seen so many tragedies caused by drug usage, and I personally know a few blokes that has made huge achivements in strength sports, but are now on medications the rest of their lifes.
I am sure Jesse Marunde was a great guy, but I think it is very naive to think that he was free of steroids. I would believe almost every top strongman is on steroids, not being so would be stupid from a competitive perspective, as everyone they compete against is using steroids.
However, the damaging health effects of heavy steroid usage is not to be taken lightly, and that is my point. I understand Jesse Marunde had some heart-condition he was born with, but usage of steroids would not exactly help this condition in a positive direction.
I read that it was not found anabolics in his system after his death, but that does not prove he never used it. There are many weight-lifters and powerlifters that have won world championships that have used steroids at some points, yet they pass the test for steroids in competition. Not testing positive at one point does not prove that steroids was never used.
407lbs x 20 is not a very impressive feat by a world class strongman in the squat. I will squat better than that in not a very long time. So far I’ve done 380lbs x 19 in the olympic squat, close stance, high bar style. Check out the T-Nation 20-rep challenge thread if you do not believe me.
So my message is to say no to steroids, because you never know what kind of problems you will encounter down the road. Your health is the most valuable asset you have.
Jesse Marunde was a great strongman, and he worked out with an enormous dedication, and lifting was his life. I admire people who put every effort possible into becoming as good as they can, however I have seen so many bad things happen to people that do steroids, that I see no reason to defend the usage of said medications.
I am fully aware that steroid users will hate me for saying this, and that naive people who think strongmen don’t use steroids will hate me too.
For about 3 years, I trained in a hardcore gym with a lot of people that did steroids. I saw a lot of people get problems because of their usage of the illegal substances, social problems, health problems, problems with party drugs, family violence, and one dude committed suicide because his mind got fucked up.
I realize the world has a hunger for stronger and better athletes all the time, and that the race will never end, and there will always be a supply of men willing to risk their health to be the next super-athlete.
I am advocating that you can be very strong without steroids, it takes a lot of time and dedication, but if you are persistent through many years, then you will reach a level you never tought possible.
Training for strength is a journey that can last for many years, many won’t reach their peak maybe until they are 35-45 years old or possibly older.
Realizing that most athletes won’t make a living of their sport, it is better to view the lifting as a lifetime hobby and don’t put all the eggs in one basket.
It is better to be an old man that is strong, than a strong man that can’t be old.
– stallion[/quote]
While I happen to agree with you on some of this points, I do think your off with Jesse. If there was ever a time drugs would have been in his system, I think this would have been it. He was at an all time high in strength and bodyweight and was not far out from WSM.
I thought for sure they would come back and have found something in his blood. I’ve never been happier to be wrong! The guy was a family man first, and athlete second. If you look at his diet and training, he was very smart.
Again, while I agree that many of the top strength guys are on something, there are some who are not. Phister and Phillipi come to mind. I wish everyone would let him rest. It’s hard to believe he has been gone for a year.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
you should try drinking drano.[/quote]
Stallion, please give this a try and let us know if it works better than steroids. If you don’t get the desired results the first time, please drink a cup a day till it works.
[quote]stallion wrote:
I understand my opinion is not a popular one. In strongman competitions steroid usage is common. It is all about show and circus, if a strongman gets health problems or even dies, not many people care, there is always a new strongman ready to take his place in the events and on tv.
Eurosport aired a program after Marundes death, were he was interviewed about his future in the sports of strongman, he sat there togheter with his wife and kid. There was not one mention in the show about his death.
The TV-channels and the fans do not really care about the persons, they care about what they see, the spectacular strength feats, and the circus, if someone dies or gets injuried or fot other reasons cannot continue, there are always other up and coming strongmen ready to take their place.
What young people need to realize, is that the health is their most important asset. I’ve seen so many tragedies caused by drug usage, and I personally know a few blokes that has made huge achivements in strength sports, but are now on medications the rest of their lifes.
I am sure Jesse Marunde was a great guy, but I think it is very naive to think that he was free of steroids. I would believe almost every top strongman is on steroids, not being so would be stupid from a competitive perspective, as everyone they compete against is using steroids.[/quote]
i dont believe he was lifetime drug-free, not for one second. That’s also completely irrelevant here.
Neither would exercising, neither would anythign that would stress his heart in any way, shape, or form. Indeed , nothing short of surgery to implant a device in his heart followed by a lifetime of avoiding strenuous physical activity would’ve helped.
[quote]I read that it was not found anabolics in his system after his death, but that does not prove he never used it.
There are many weight-lifters and powerlifters that have won world championships that have used steroids at some points, yet they pass the test for steroids in competition. Not testing positive at one point does not prove that steroids was never used.
407lbs x 20 is not a very impressive feat by a world class strongman in the squat. I will squat better than that in not a very long time. So far I’ve done 380lbs x 19 in the olympic squat, close stance, high bar style. Check out the T-Nation 20-rep challenge thread if you do not believe me. [/quote]
I agree with you on both of these points. I also find them totally irrelevant. I’ve already said I agree about hte drug usage, now when you can tell me how that causes a condition that he had his ENTIRE life, I’ll be interested to hear.
As far as your throw away ‘well, it coudlnt have helped’ argument … in addition to what I said above about only surgery helping, take this one step further. In what way did the administration of a HORMONE harm his cardiovascular system that normal exercise would not have?
You can’t answer that because it didnt. Sure, steroids can lower hdl and raise total cholesterol, but his heart attack wasnt caused by clogged arteries.
incidentally, the 20 rep challenge thread proves nothign to me. When you squat 407x20 AND load a 470 atlas stone AND do everything else a top strongman competitor is able to do, then I’ll start to pay attention.
Great. Fear teh unknown. My message is to say no to going outside because you never know what you’ll encounter crossing the street - like a mac truck running you over.
[quote]Jesse Marunde was a great strongman, and he worked out with an enormous dedication, and lifting was his life. I admire people who put every effort possible into becoming as good as they can, however I have seen so many bad things happen to people that do steroids, that I see no reason to defend the usage of said medications.
I am fully aware that steroid users will hate me for saying this, and that naive people who think strongmen don’t use steroids will hate me too.
For about 3 years, I trained in a hardcore gym with a lot of people that did steroids. I saw a lot of people get problems because of their usage of the illegal substances, social problems, health problems, problems with party drugs, family violence, and one dude committed suicide because his mind got fucked up. [/quote]
I’ve been around way too many drug users, for way too long to believe the bs propaganda that is spewed out. It’s ironic, but I am more of a high-strung prick than 99% of the drug-users I know. I have yet to see roid rage.
I have yet to hear of “health problems” beyond acne and temporary impotence, temporary ball-shrinkage. “Problems with party drugs” - why did you even include this? The steroids led to the usage of party drugs? bull, these were individuals who self-medicated, period.
Their steroid usage was a SYMPTOM of the same personality trait that caused them to use party drugs. “one dude committed suicide because his mind got fucked up” Thats my favorite one. So theres no chance that this was a pre-existing condition? Lifting does not exactly attract a “normal” subset of humanity. No, it was the evil, evil drugs.
[quote]I realize the world has a hunger for stronger and better athletes all the time, and that the race will never end, and there will always be a supply of men willing to risk their health to be the next super-athlete.
I am advocating that you can be very strong without steroids, it takes a lot of time and dedication, but if you are persistent through many years, then you will reach a level you never tought possible.
Training for strength is a journey that can last for many years, many won’t reach their peak maybe until they are 35-45 years old or possibly older.
Realizing that most athletes won’t make a living of their sport, it is better to view the lifting as a lifetime hobby and don’t put all the eggs in one basket.[/quote]
I agree
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It is better to be an old man that is strong, than a strong man that can’t be old.
– stallion[/quote]
great, now tell me again, how is this related to the rest of what you’ve posted? Since you’ve already demonstrated you’re unable to draw any connection between jesse’s choices and his health, I’ll assume your point here is the same throughout - you have no point