My position on religion has somewhat softened as I’ve come to oppose immigration. Religion commands people to procreate, albeit from a fictitious authority.
I’m also weary with Dawkins and the liberal-skeptic-atheist sphere with their ultra pro-feminist anti-male stances.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Well how would one do that? Are you going to sit down with your kids and educate them on all beliefs giving each a fair and equitable shake and then allow them to choose? Who does that?
A christian raises their children Christian, A muslim raises their kids Mulism and an atheist raises their kids atheist. These is only choice, not a lack of one. And which ever one of these you are, that is how you will bring up your kids. So in as much as a Christian pushes Christianity on their children, an Atheist pushes Atheism on their kids. I don’t think this is something anybody can honestly deny.[/quote]
My boy goes to church with my wife every Sunday and I make it a point not to interfere or say anything critical. I even occasionally go for appearances, although I feel a bit dishonest when I do. Christianity is part of his family culture and I certainly don’t view his going to church as harmful. At some point I suspect he is going to ask me some pointed questions and I’m not going to lie to him if he asks the right questions, but I’m certainly going to choose my words carefully out of respect for my wife. Ultimately, it is going to be his choice what path to follow and I don’t feel like I need to shove my beliefs or lack thereof down his throat. Where I draw the line is I have several anti-science young earthers in my family, and I just can’t tolerate that shit.
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It’s a delicate line you’re walking being of different mind. I take my hat off to you for it. Most people aren’t able to maintain that kind of respect and balance.
I wouldn’t marry of a different faith or no faith because it would be impossible for me to keep my mouth shut. So my spouse had to be on the same page.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I was raised into Christianity and lost my faith around high school, never to reclaim it. My biggest doubt, which proved insurmountable, was when I started thinking about how so many things God did seemed less like the actions of a god and more like the actions of a petulant child. Listen, I sincerely apologize to my Christian friends reading that. I do not mean offense to you. I know that is a pretty blasphemous statement.
But anyway there was so much petty bullshit that God did and said in the bible. He’s incredibly jealous, spiteful, passive aggressive even. I could not come to grips with an omnipotent being of infinite, unknowable vastness lowering itself to such base emotions. Thus I concluded that there must be no God after all.[/quote]
It’s a question nobody can answer for you. I always recommend going to the source for things like that. After all, what’s the harm in asking God to help you believe if he wants you to believe?
It’s a question I bet most non-believers are afraid to ask, just in case they get an answer.
As God himself, that if he want’s you to believe, to help you to do it, to find a reason to believe.
Ask God for help, if you’re not scared 
I find there’s always an answer, and it’s never what you think.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
A christian raises their children Christian, A muslim raises their kids Mulism and an atheist raises their kids atheist. These is only choice, not a lack of one. And which ever one of these you are, that is how you will bring up your kids. So in as much as a Christian pushes Christianity on their children, an Atheist pushes Atheism on their kids. I don’t think this is something anybody can honestly deny.[/quote]
How exactly do you push atheism on your kids? I was planning on skipping over that in exchange for other useful life skills. I didn’t realize I need to give them daily atheism lessons.[/quote]
It is pretty easy actually.
You know all the posts that pop up in these threads with the “spaghetti monster” and other unimaginative insults in them?
Speak like that in your daily language, and go into quazi fits fo rage anytime the church or God is brought up. Like when a football player thanks Jesus for helping him score a touchdown…[/quote]
Precisely, if you disrespect people of faith and your daily life and mock their stupidity and the superiority of the way you think, you are ‘pushing’ that idea on your children. They will grow up having learn to disparage and act hateful towards religious people.
I don’t pretend to think that the average atheist doesn’t go off on religion in the privacy of their own home and in front of their kids. Maybe their kids will rebel and go to seminary, but parents plant the seeds of whatever it is they believe, into their kids. It’s unavoidable.[/quote]
This kind of goes along with your stupid christian/atheist post. Are any of these true?
The average christian goes off on atheism in the privacy of home, you know the typical those people are going to hell, don’t trust them, etc
The average christian is smarter than the average atheist
[quote]therajraj wrote:
My position on religion has somewhat softened as I’ve come to oppose immigration. Religion commands people to procreate, albeit from a fictitious authority.
I’m also weary with Dawkins and the liberal-skeptic-atheist sphere with their ultra pro-feminist anti-male stances.
[/quote]
The fertility rate of the US and the EU isn’t the fault of the immigrant and their culture.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
BTW just about the earliest bible history is supported by archaeology and hieroglyphics. [/quote]
Is there any support for the divinity claims outside of the bible?
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There is no factual evidence to be found in the Bible or outside of it. It is all perception, interpretation and hearsay. Even if Jesus existed and he performed the miracles attributed to him the witnesses to those miracles still had to interpret that evidence as proof he was the son of God. In other words, their belief was still based on faith. [/quote]
I never mentioned the Nazarite. I was specifically referring to the recorded exodus of 1.5 million Israelites without weapons beyond field tools from the advanced army of Pharaoh Thutamoses II with scores of chariots and heavy, cavalry and light and heavy infantry. The deaths of all military age Israelites in the Sinai explains the difficulties explaining how millions of soldiers and camp followers could have made such a journey at an estimated 150 a breadth. However living on manna and quail and the deaths of all military age men helps to explain that anomaly.
Furthermore the proof of Joshua’s conquests of much of Canaan including the world’s first description of envelopment at Ai and the taking of the highly fortified Jubusite towns of Hebron and Jerusalem only add to its authenticity.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
My position on religion has somewhat softened as I’ve come to oppose immigration. Religion commands people to procreate, albeit from a fictitious authority.
I’m also weary with Dawkins and the liberal-skeptic-atheist sphere with their ultra pro-feminist anti-male stances.
[/quote]
The fertility rate of the US and the EU isn’t the fault of the immigrant and their culture.
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And the moon is made of green cheese, Just because you have six wives and 16 children doesn’t mean you have a cultural or over fertility rate. Regardless, after the Lord made his circumcision covenant with Abraham he promised Ishmael a huge number of descendants…only he added this curse: ‘your hand will be drawn against everyone and everyone’s hand will be drawn against you!’ That doesn’t sound like arabs does it? Fortunately he promised the house of Jacob/Israel that he would ‘bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you, and through you all the nations of the earth will be blessed.’
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
stuff[/quote]
OH SHIIIIIIT
Where have you been?[/quote]
Seriously second this motion.
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Well how would one do that? Are you going to sit down with your kids and educate them on all beliefs giving each a fair and equitable shake and then allow them to choose? Who does that?
A christian raises their children Christian, A muslim raises their kids Mulism and an atheist raises their kids atheist. These is only choice, not a lack of one. And which ever one of these you are, that is how you will bring up your kids. So in as much as a Christian pushes Christianity on their children, an Atheist pushes Atheism on their kids. I don’t think this is something anybody can honestly deny.[/quote]
My boy goes to church with my wife every Sunday and I make it a point not to interfere or say anything critical. I even occasionally go for appearances, although I feel a bit dishonest when I do. Christianity is part of his family culture and I certainly don’t view his going to church as harmful. At some point I suspect he is going to ask me some pointed questions and I’m not going to lie to him if he asks the right questions, but I’m certainly going to choose my words carefully out of respect for my wife. Ultimately, it is going to be his choice what path to follow and I don’t feel like I need to shove my beliefs or lack thereof down his throat. Where I draw the line is I have several anti-science young earthers in my family, and I just can’t tolerate that shit.
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X2
[quote]AceRock wrote:
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?[/quote]
Been here, for the most part.
Still sort of here, but not at the same time.
I’m not “religious” in the sense of this thread, but if you want to hear about it, let me know.
[quote]AceRock wrote:
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?[/quote]
That’s between you and God (since you’re asking us).
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
My position on religion has somewhat softened as I’ve come to oppose immigration. Religion commands people to procreate, albeit from a fictitious authority.
I’m also weary with Dawkins and the liberal-skeptic-atheist sphere with their ultra pro-feminist anti-male stances.
[/quote]
The fertility rate of the US and the EU isn’t the fault of the immigrant and their culture.
[/quote]
And the moon is made of green cheese, Just because you have six wives and 16 children doesn’t mean you have a cultural or over fertility rate. Regardless, after the Lord made his circumcision covenant with Abraham he promised Ishmael a huge number of descendants…only he added this curse: ‘your hand will be drawn against everyone and everyone’s hand will be drawn against you!’ That doesn’t sound like arabs does it? Fortunately he promised the house of Jacob/Israel that he would ‘bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you, and through you all the nations of the earth will be blessed.’[/quote]
I don’t follow.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]AceRock wrote:
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?[/quote]
Been here, for the most part.
Still sort of here, but not at the same time.
I’m not “religious” in the sense of this thread, but if you want to hear about it, let me know. [/quote]
I’d love to hear about it. Side note, loved the accounting thread. /hijack
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]AceRock wrote:
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?[/quote]
That’s between you and God (since you’re asking us).
[/quote]
That was entirely unhelpful, at best; and plainly insulting, at worst.
Really, dude? Total cop-out, IMHO. No harm, no foul, just completely useless.
[quote]AceRock wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]AceRock wrote:
If I asked God for the answers to my questions, and I did not receive an answer, then what?
I prayed. I begged. I screamed. I went to church. I read the Bible. I would love faith, it seems nice. As it luck would have it, I don’t have it.
Now what? What does that leave me?[/quote]
That’s between you and God (since you’re asking us).
[/quote]
That was entirely unhelpful, at best; and plainly insulting, at worst.
Really, dude? Total cop-out, IMHO. No harm, no foul, just completely useless.[/quote]
I’m sorry you’re upset.
However, I’m genuinely lost as to how that was offensive.
You told us you’ve tried and struggled (and I’ll take you at your word), yet couldn’t find faith. There’s nothing I can do, as a man, for you. It’s between you and God (since you’re asking us believers).
Take care.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
BTW just about the earliest bible history is supported by archaeology and hieroglyphics. [/quote]
Is there any support for the divinity claims outside of the bible?
[/quote]
There is no factual evidence to be found in the Bible or outside of it. It is all perception, interpretation and hearsay. Even if Jesus existed and he performed the miracles attributed to him the witnesses to those miracles still had to interpret that evidence as proof he was the son of God. In other words, their belief was still based on faith. [/quote]
I never mentioned the Nazarite. I was specifically referring to the recorded exodus of 1.5 million Israelites without weapons beyond field tools from the advanced army of Pharaoh Thutamoses II with scores of chariots and heavy, cavalry and light and heavy infantry. The deaths of all military age Israelites in the Sinai explains the difficulties explaining how millions of soldiers and camp followers could have made such a journey at an estimated 150 a breadth. However living on manna and quail and the deaths of all military age men helps to explain that anomaly.
Furthermore the proof of Joshua’s conquests of much of Canaan including the world’s first description of envelopment at Ai and the taking of the highly fortified Jubusite towns of Hebron and Jerusalem only add to its authenticity.[/quote]
So you have an extraordinary event that you don’t have a good explanation for?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
My position on religion has somewhat softened as I’ve come to oppose immigration. Religion commands people to procreate, albeit from a fictitious authority.
I’m also weary with Dawkins and the liberal-skeptic-atheist sphere with their ultra pro-feminist anti-male stances.
[/quote]
The fertility rate of the US and the EU isn’t the fault of the immigrant and their culture.
[/quote]
I know. That’s not why I’m oppose immigration.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
My position on religion has somewhat softened as I’ve come to oppose immigration. Religion commands people to procreate, albeit from a fictitious authority.
I’m also weary with Dawkins and the liberal-skeptic-atheist sphere with their ultra pro-feminist anti-male stances.
[/quote]
The fertility rate of the US and the EU isn’t the fault of the immigrant and their culture.
[/quote]
And the moon is made of green cheese, Just because you have six wives and 16 children doesn’t mean you have a cultural or over fertility rate. Regardless, after the Lord made his circumcision covenant with Abraham he promised Ishmael a huge number of descendants…only he added this curse: ‘your hand will be drawn against everyone and everyone’s hand will be drawn against you!’ That doesn’t sound like arabs does it? Fortunately he promised the house of Jacob/Israel that he would ‘bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you, and through you all the nations of the earth will be blessed.’[/quote]
I don’t follow.
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Ditto