I knew a guy who was a Phd. in Biology who ended up being a car mechanic. His explanation was really simple, he just liked to work on cars more than he liked biology.
There are smart and dumb people everywhere in every walk of life, except for Portland. There stupidity seems to be in over supply.
I didnāt say it wasnāt reasonable. I agree 100% that itās not only reasonable, but highly probable to be the right way to go about science. But it does rely on unprovable presuppositions. Like that the future will resemble the past and that laws of nature are static.
An example of patās ignorance.
Go to Pornhub.
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Not really, roughly 70% of Australian adults either exercise too little or are outright sedentary. Fast food consumption is fairly rifle here. Health outcomes associated with this behaviour arenāt always great, but people certainly arenāt miserable and our avg life expectancy far exceeds that of third world countries (and is higher than that of the USA).
As to covenant communities, I mentioned theyāve been semi trialled before. Look up Christiana Freetown in Denmark. The hippy utopian idea didnāt pan out due to repeated government interference but itās an interesting idea. We have differing sociocultural normalities within differing countries, shouldnāt that be good enough? Covenant communities do sort of exist in Isreal (Haredi neighborhoods etc), though itās very difficult to leave these tightly knit communities as leaving equates to a net ban, never seeing family ever again.
Drug use isnāt necessarily associated with misery either if said use is casual. Certain societal models imposing the legalisation of softer substances and results associated have somewhat proven this. I think you generally equate drug use to hysterical outcomes like āguy strung out on a park benchā or āman stealing a bunch of shit to pay for crackā. This opinion of mine isnāt related to me being hedonistic, itās been a very long since Iāve been to a party or even a pub for that matter. This opinion is related to what Iāve observed; that is that the vast majority of drug use is casual/low risk in nature (and from reviewing medical literature looking at certain outcomes.) As to children being exposed (potentially a concern of yours), children generally donāt frequent clubs or keg parties.
A small percentage of the population handle the prospect of polyamory without negative downstream consequences. Tight knit swingers clubs do exist. Just because this infringes upon your individualistic sense of morality doesnāt equate to a net negative outcome induced for all. Some swingers appear perfectly happy. Not everyone forms emotional attachment from intercourse and the prospect of condoms + birth control (a tactic of which quite a few promiscuous people employ) makes pregnancy/STI transmission incredibly unlikely. The āchildrenā donāt necessarily have to find out either.
A grown male purchasing toys made for children (video game consoles, memorabilia and/or mint condition boxed sets) isnāt a set up for failure, people have hobbies.
As to being a degenerate/having no fundamental sense of morality and being well adjusted, I legitimately canāt argue with that. You may infer variables above to indicate degeneracy or lack thereofā¦ But keep in mind the definition of degeneracy by these terms is fully open to interpretation. I donāt think someone is a degenerate if they pop a pill a few times a year, or if they collect star wars memorabilia, are sexually promiscuous, eat badly or donāt exercise (esp the exercise aspect, many people are inherently disabled/have chronic ailments that make the prospect of following a fitness routine incredibly difficult. Exercise causes tremendous discomfort for me, but I still vigorously exercise against my better judgement because I love it. I think the majority of well adjusted adults would throw in the towel if exercise induced significant pain + aggravated pre-existing neurological abberations).
I think we are at an impasse. I think we should simply agree to disagree at this point as further debate wonāt get us anywhere.
At times I do look at couples who are so tightly wound they could eat a lump of coal and crap out a diamond and think āwhat sad livesā. Keep in mind this isnāt how I percieve you and I am making a joke (though I do think this occasionally about other people). Regardless, it doesnāt matter what I think if the couple is legitimately happy (so long as they arenāt hurting anyone)
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Why do you dislike pat so much? Whatās the issue here? His outlook differs from yoursā¦ Who cares? Am I missing something
The pornhub comment was very clever, I liked that one.
Sorry, been indisposed. God be with you through your journey. I wish you all the best.
I have to confess that I have personally moved away from Roman Catholicism.
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You can look through the push to 2020 thread for info. I said the same as you. Apparently Z and Pat have some history here, and Pat has apparently said some unfounded awful things about Z (this was confirmed by multiple posters). The post in question was removed by moderators (according to Pat).
Just giving you the down low. I asked the same question as you about 3-4 days ago.
Why is that? Just curious. At one point it seemed that you were pretty sold on Catholicism? Moving to another branch of Christianity?
Heās a piece of shit and when it comes to religion, a phony. He claims to be a Christian but heās one of the least Christian posters here. There are atheists here who are more Christian. If we ever meet, he is going to require hospitalization.
@Unreal24278 is going to stay out of this.
I percieve a lot of anger to be present here.
#avoidingconflict
#science
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Good idea. Hindsight is 20/20, I should not have probed into it.
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Yeah, solidly Christian and non-denominational at the moment. When I have some time I might go through it a bit if youāre still curious. Running around at the moment.
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Iāve been ranting about the āfar leftā propaganda slipped into Hollywood movies, and the reviewers who give them good reviews not because of quality, but because they like the politics, in the movies thread for YEARS.
I donāt oppose including and critiquing politics of any side in movies. Mad Max: Fury Road was almost a fucking feminist manifesto but it was made as a MOVIE, as in one that puts filmmaking first over being a fucking checklist of SJW talking points. And it was AWESOME.
Others like the Charlieās Angels remake were essentially just propaganda for stupid teens. Fuck them.
Look at the latest criteria for a movie to qualify for nomination for Best Picture at the oscars. Itās mindblowing.
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Iād call it āfaithā in the current science we have TODAY since weāre taking the words of professionals and āexpertsā in their respective fields in which we have limited expertise in, which weāve seen rapid changes in NOT because they arenāt sure what theyāre doing nor simply flip flopping all over the place, which seems to be the perception of the extremist science deniers, and people who have just got tired of hearing so much conflicting info such a short span of time.
Itās because weāve developed technology advanced enough to figure out what went wrong with existing conclusions and what has the higher probability of being accurate at a rate multitudes of times faster than any other point in history as more and more data comes in, plus the development of online infrastructure for rapid and concurrent sharing of data globally amongst professionals and experts.
I donāt blame people who may not understand how much weāve advanced in the aforementioned technology because I was completely clueless about tech until several months ago when I had to do a project which included quite a bit of tech.
However, some of these āexpertsā have sometimes been a little loose in their interpretation of data because they lean to one end politically, to put it mildly. Politicians have further fucked things up by selectively using, hence further diluting, their conclusions to push their own agendas.
BUT I agree with your point mostly. The fact is weāre discovering more and more and discarding things that have been disproven while moving forward and weāve seen the tangle and quantifiable outcomes of new discoveries with science. We simply cannot compare this to religious faith at all.
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Can you describe this if/when you have time? Itās ok if youāre arenāt willing to, though. Iām taking the chance to ask since there have been no posters actively and fervently arguing against religion in this thread for the last 2 weeks. First time Iāve actually seen this happen on a religious thread on this site actually lol.
This is rich. Such animosity.
At least he isnāt a fan of certain protocols regarding a certain group of coin collectors.
Did someone say Protocols? Lol.
Describe what I mean specifically by that one sentence? Hmm, just what youād expect out of small-āoā orthodox Christianity. Trinity. Heaven. Hell. Manās sinful nature. Salvation. Jesus, fully man, fully God. Nicene Creed is a good start. But as of now I havenāt settled into a specific denomination.
Believerās baptism and lordās supper as two ordinances.
Common traditional Christian morality.
Cessationist.
Soteriology? Havenāt really settled.
Let me know if I can clarify more on specific points.
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The academy has lost credibility when it comes to selecting what was the best movie, actor, etc. They are credible for finding what movie meets a checklist of diversity and ideas though.
Somewhat true. If one is interested, they could dig into it, but I estimate some / most are probably not bright enough to do this successfully on something like the big bang. I would like to think most people could do this with evolution, but I donāt think this is true based on the evidence (maybe people are too lazy to look into it though).
I do think it would be faith to blindly ābelieveā a science theory. I accept something like the big bang tentatively. I donāt think it is a good idea to say the science has it all right, and we should just believe.
Agree. It is not at all fair to say one tentatively accepting science is the same as religious faith.
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