You’re correct. There is a difference between an underdeveloped foetus not yet conscious and a braindead human being who will likely never regain consciousness.
That being said, with traumatic brain injury, how can you be absolutely certain of the prognosis, rare cases wherein comatose patients awaken years later do exist.
A similarity can be brought up here… Both aren’t currently conscious and both have the capability to be rendered conscious down the line. I suppose you could draw the line of ethicality after statistical analysis. It’s obviously more likely for an embryo carried by a healthy women to survive intact as compared to a braindead patient in a comatose state.
I don’t believe it’s unethical to pull life support provided the patient has priorly made a statement, just food for thought. I have my issues with banning abortion and I am evidently pro-choice, at this current point I have no more to say regarding the matter
I’ve seen stepbrothers… Very good movie
This one is my favorite/the most amusing insult out of them all.
There always seems to be issues with analogies and abortion (ime). I think it’s simpler just asking does one person have rights to another’s body? If no, the unborn doesn’t have rights to the mother’s body. If yes, why?
The profanity laced ones were even funnier but I’m not posting them since the humor will be lost in translation lol. People who descended from Fujian can turn profanity into poetry.
I’m generally anti-abortion, btw, albeit with LOTS of caveats, and it has nothing to do with religion. But I REALLY don’t want to get into a debate on this because I’ve seen how these debates always end up over so many years I’ve been on this site.
This will be my first and last post on this subject.
That’s totally fine! No problem with having an individualised opinion regarding a controversial topic. Lots of people are anti-abortion, it’s not a big deal.
I think physiognomy is a real thing, and I’ve observed there is a particular sort of man that is in demand these days because of temperament, disposition, and look, that wasn’t in high demand in the 90’s and early 2000’s.
Edit: considering we’re talking about religion and manhood, I’m sharing this, though some might not care for it. I’ve been listening to some of this guy’s stuff for the past couple of years even while atheistic. Admittedly I’m hung up on this topic.
For sure. I’ve often seen them in the mall appearing to be led by their slightly heavy set, doc martin wearing, bespectacled girlfriends.
I’ve often wondered. Does she wear the strap under her dress 24/7 or is that only for their special time.
Interesting video. I am only 8 minutes in and I can tell already I will only agree with like 20 % of this guy. But I am down to check it out. He is most likely a biblical literalist. I always struggle to communicate with people like that because they are so rigid in their viewpoint.
At around the three minute mark the guy quotes St. Thomas Aquinas definition on effeminacy.
This is fucking hilarious. I am not saying it is wrong but its funny as hell and certainly offensive to many people today.
So St. Thomas Aquinas. What is definition of effeminacy?
“An unwillingness to put asides ones pleasure in order to pursue what is arduous.”
Didn’t look for the actual quote to see what Aquinas said but I’ll trust this dude.
Essentially he is describing stoicism Right? Or at least a component of it. I think there is truth to this quote and its relationship to masculinity/effeminacy. It would be too easy to shit all over it by todays standards though. It would be important to look at it through the context of 13th century society.
I am gonna have to watch the rest of it if I can.
I love this video by my man JP where he talks about the main difference between Catholicism/Protestantism vs Eastern Orthodox.
I think it embracing the tenants of Eastern Orthodox is very masculine.
Some interesting points Peterson makes.
In the west with Catholicism/Protestantism. The component of Christianity given the most emphasis is that Christ is son of God and he died for you sins. Only through acceptance of this can you gain salvation.
The Eastern Orthodox place emphasis elsewhere. They say be Christlike. That is your main job.
And what I like about this is it allows me to feel comfortable being part of the conversation. Like ok I can totally get behind this even though I don’t literally believe Christ was the son of God and died for anyones sins I can still get behind aspiring to be Christ like. We should all aspire to be self less, compassionate and brave etc. Live a life like Christ.
I also aspire to live my life like Steven Rogers aka Captain America.
Today’s standards are VERY WEAK, hence the sheer amount of pathological, underdeveloped, or belatedly developed (that includes me) people.
Is it a good standard to have men flipping out at the truth? Poor life and coping skills? Being raised by women from one to 21 or later (that goes for the majority of time spent in school)?
What standards of today do you think have weight this?
“An unwillingness to put asides ones pleasure in order to pursue what is arduous.”
I can see people getting angry.
“Oh you don’t think women put aside pleasure to go after a hard goal.”
“Oh how about motherhood. Thats as selfless of an arduous pursuit as you can get you pig.”
I could keep going.
Just trying to see how critics would come after it.
Because you know most critics would fail to realise that there are components of masculinity/femininity that are positive. Really great qualities to have. And there are components of them that are negative traits to have that you really want to minimise.
Also. If I were to assess/critique that quote. I would say no women do that too and often.
But I think men should be expected to be that way by an order of several magnitudes higher.
The guy brings up something really interesting with the kid falling off the bike example.
I’ve said somewhere else in this forum before that I’m literally incapable of being anxious or developing anxiety because from an early age my father would slap me whenever i got anxious in the least bit. I really don’t know if that’s bad or good.
I do have very, and I mean VERY, intense feelings of guilt relative to the average person even over pretty mundane things. Perhaps it’s an overcompensation for a chemical imbalance in the brain or some shit like that. But I’m not a violent nor angry person despite being administered physical punishment.
In life, I was overly bullish during the shit that went down in the late 2000s and had to close a business and suffered a lot of loses and incurred substantial debt. But it served me well in 2015 went the market started booming. And the nice market rebound we recently had.
During this covid crisis, I purposefully refrained from making any major business decisions, leaving everything to my other associates to decide because I still question my objectivity in certain areas.
On a related note in regards to unusual punishments.
There was a period of time in my early teens that I was incredibly insecure and not confident.
To the point that it actually irritated my father. He had told me several times to stop being like that.
Well one day on way to his work (I often worked for him on the weekends/breaks and then ultimately in my 20s for an extended period of time.) we were at McDonald’s normally get coffee there.
He asked me to go inside to get the order I didn’t have shoes on or socks on yet can’t remember why.
He told me to not bother with the shoes and socks and just go in there and get the order. There were like 20 people in there. I told him there is a sign it says “No shirt, no shoes, no service”.
Of course he said he didn’t care, I shouldn’t care and to just go in there and get the order.
Seems trivial but I was so uncomfortable and embarrassed.
Lol my dad would have just said, “DO IT! If they give you problems, tell them to come talk to me!”. And then he’d create a ruckus if that happened and we’d probably get kicked without getting breakfast.
It’s why I agree with some of what the “left” is talking about that they’ve arguably taken too far. Hypermasculinity, as an example, caused a stigma against seeking medical help, or even admitting to having issues like major depression. Which resulted in a lack of resources and qualified doctors because of the lack of demand.
Depression is still an issue (due to other factors I think - on lexapro which helps).
I thank my wife for helping me through a lot of these things. In the spirit of this thread - I truly believe God gave her to me as the perfect companion, knowing that I would need her more than anyone/anything. It would have been a very dark road for me without her.
