Religion Catch All

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Noice, I’ll give it a watch now

This is fascinating stuff, even if I don’t agree with it.

Provides a nuanced portrayal of a different perspective that I’m more than happy to learn about.

They referenced euthanasia as an example of societal decay. I can’t see how letting a terminally ill ALS patient die in the late stages of disease as opposed to leaving him struggling to breathe on a ventilator, being unable to control bowel movements, talk, swallow or move is representative of moral decay.

You’re alleviating suffering… have you ever seen a late stage cancer patient bed bound and moaning in pain? It’s not a pretty sight. I’d argue if someone is so against euthanasia, they should go spend some time in hospital wards endlessly hooking these emaciated patients up to fentanyl drips… if you’re still against/unphased it when you come out, fine

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We’ve gone over this who knows how many times. The world works partly by people forcing their will on others. It always has and always will!

Nearly everyone in PWI wants to impose their will on others or have others do it for them!

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Chill out, no need to be snappy; we’re all friends here

There’s a differentiation between me trying to convince you to conscribe to my set of beliefs and threatening you with violence, expulsion or imprisonment in order to force you into line.

There’s also a degree of control most are willing to impart in order to get their way (same with societal governance). A little nudge, a little bit of coercion and policies aiming at deterring large scale atrocities is different relative to a degree of control that acts to interfere with low scale, day to day activities.

Religious fanaticism being used as a means to justify the murder of those who believe in a different god is a good deal more extreme relative to public safety enforcement dictating you can’t drive over the speed limit.

I’m not trying to force my set of beliefs onto you. You can believe what you want. I like talking to you, our conversations typically go like this

  • I tell you what I think
  • you tell me what you think
  • we compare and contrast our (typically) different set of beliefs and the motives behind them. The motives frequently have common ground
  • we either agree to disagree or somewhat agree

Who is forcing anything here? Now agree with me or else!

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Why? I don’t see any difference between this and picking up chicks at clubs.

This already happened over 20 years ago. Obviously much longer in the West since I remember one song by Genesis about TV evangelists. One of the churches used an auditorium in a shopping to conduct their services. They received multiple complaints from various store owners and their landlord was pressuring them to move because the soundproofing was not up to standard and I’m assuming they couldn’t make such changes under the terms of their lease.

You know what they did?

THEY BOUGHT THE FUCKING SHOPPING MALL.

I’m not making this shit up. I’m probably downplaying it because I can’t remember the full details since it happened about a decade ago and I tend to error on the side of not exaggerating shit if I’m not sure of something. If you’ve figured out where I live (don’t say it), you can google it.

:joy:

Have you seen that movie where Steve Martin plays a pastor in one of these churches? I think it’s called Leap of Faith or something. There’s scene where he puts on a glimmering suit on stage and the crowd goes nuts for some reason. That movie was released in 1992. The pastor of this church did the fucking same thing 10 years later.

That’s like saying the sky is blue lol.

HOWEVER, as I’ve said several times and I believe you have too, some chicks just rebel and turn into sluts when they’re out in the “real world”. Everyone knew Christian school girls were some of the biggest sluts and I was surprised when Joe Rogan said it was similar in the West. Of course, this was WAY DIFFERENT when I said I went to such churches to pick up chicks since that happened in my late teens to early 20s and they’re weren’t even a thing before that over here.

The girls I’m talking about in Christian schools were underaged and so was I. And when I say “underaged”, it would be in the context of morality, not legality but when you’re in your early to mid teens, you generally don’t think about these things. Over here, the age for statutory rape was 16 for boys and 14 for girls so technically I was the one being raped when I was first sexually active.

Of course we’re talking about evangelicals. These chicks are WILD. They are fucking far from naive. You think I’d go to a Catholic church to pick up some chick who has a 8pm curfew on weekends LMAO?

The evangelical churches attracted a younger demographic because they had great staging, lighting that changed accordingly depending on what the pastor was saying and a fucking rock band at the place where you would have a choir in a normal church. Any real Christian would smack their kid if they joined one of those.

I’ll give you an example from a country in my region. This CHICK was a PASTOR and wife of the main Pastor who used millions in church funds to fund her singing career. IIRC she couldn’t even make it in the Asian market so they spent even more millions trying to break into the West:

What kind of chicks do you think would join her church? YOU’D be more likely to be taken advantage of by them than the other way around LMAO.

Would any of you guys here let your kid(s) join her church?

:joy: :joy: :joy:

These churches are fucking nuts. I was first dragged to one BY A CHICK hoping to convert me despite having already told her I was a Catholic and was almost mindblown by the elaborate staging and production with bigass LCD screens and audio setups. LCD screens were new and cost several times the current prices 2 decades ago and they weren’t smart TVs like the ones we have now that this generation takes for granted and lighting and audio technology was primitive compared to what we have now so coordinating and controlling them required a large production crew behind the scenes.

What really blew my mind was at a performance somewhere in the middle of the session.

A bunch of fuckers dressed like caricatures of other major religions and denounced them as the work of “evil spirits”.

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I was not being snappy. I apologize for coming across as if I was.

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Similar to synogague, though women don’t need to have covering (though men and women are separated and both genders are subject to a dress code). The veil IS see through in the photo you’ve posted above. Are the men subject to a formal dress code like synogague?

I don’t think it’s an appropriate place to try pick up women or vice versa. I’m sure you’d agree

The events you speak of, synogague was the same. Some events (like purim) I can certainly see being conducive to allowing one to meet a woman. But we are talking about going to service to try meet a woman.

I think doing so is in bad taste.

Men/women were separated within many events though. I don’t agree with this, particularly considering the whole cohort mingling is Jewish.

My big question is… can you speak, read or write Latin? Is there a word for avocado or grapefruit in Latin?

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@BrickHead

Do you believe in evolution (humans have been around for a loooonnnng time)?

Or climate change?

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It sort of does. Not clinically, but social awkwardness, a lack of knowledge in how to behave in the greater public, or and unusual amount of naivety is what I suppose you are referring too. That is also not true for the majority.
I am not calling you out, I am just saying that what ever your experience, the plurality is not like that, because they are not sheltered in that way. Some outliers exist and I am sure that is what you witnessed. But that is not the majority.

Anyway, I was just popping in to see how the conversations were going. I am not trying to participate in a meaningful level.

And I also happen to disagree with your original point, partially. Obviously, chasing tail shouldn’t be your primary purpose in going to church. But, dating in the church community is perfectly fine, in fact preferable, when it comes to mate selection. You have a concentrated group of people who are more likely to share your values in that community. It eliminates a large degree of the issues with open dating. And especially in an increasingly secular (and falling apart) world, church dating for those in that world is where it’s at. By default, you are eliminating a healthy percentage if marital problems many people have, by finding someone with the same value system. Making a married life much, much more tolerable to navigate.

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I witnessed it a little bit with Catholicism, Christianity but more extensively with strict albeit semi secular modern orthodox judiasm.

A step below dress codes, wearing black/white clothing and tzittzit all the time but a step above reform judiasm and many steps above not practising at all.

With the proper ultra orthodox… the kids didn’t have a clue about secular society for the most part, but that didn’t matter as they couldn’t really stray even if they wanted to. There is no support network for an individual who never properly receives a formal education, nor do many have the knowhow to socialise normally outside of their tightly knit communities

However said communities for the most part tend to be quite functional, with happier families relative to many modern households. Though I feel bad for the odd ones who stick out yet can’t break out.

It’s not a life I’d choose knowing what I know now… as a matter of fact I’m fairly happy with the way things are for me as of current.

I’m not in Australia! What more could I want? It’s very different here, I cycle around everywhere… but I don’t wear a helmet (stupid… I know, but I don’t have one… that and no one wears one around here)

In Australia if you don’t wear a helmet you WILL be pulled over and subject to a massive fine, people will also look at you as if you’ve got a screw loose

It’s not to imagine how such a populace would over react to covid. Though with this safety obsessed dynamic I can’t for the life of me understand how Australia has such a high rate of drug use and addiction per capita relative to other developed countries.

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Yes.

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2467

Micro-evolution, yes. Macro-evolution, no.

I have never looked into this or even thought about it for longer than someone can say the term. It does not occur to me

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This isn’t a thing, only evolution. The scale of the changes depends on the time allowed. These terms were invented by creationists to create a stawman argument.

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I believe what I do because of the the definitions I’ve been provided for those terms. @mnben87

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Just know, those are not scientific terms. Evolution is just change over time. If you believe that happens, you believe in evolution. I and basically every scientist also doesn’t believe in macro evolution (if the definition is similar to what I was taught). Macro evolution is a purposefully deceiving stawman that doesn’t represent what the scientific community for the most part believes about evolution.

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Well, I am Catholic and I am not sheltered by any stretch of the imagination. The sheltered do exist, but it’s rare. But occasionally you see a van pull up with 15 kids all dressed the same falling out of it and parents seems to have this sarcastic, phony smile going on all the time.

I am happy for you, I really am. Where did you land?

I don’t think Australia can be saved without a revolutionary war.
We have helmet laws here too though and I think they suck. I went all my life with out a bike helmet, never even thought about it. Now the government tries to wrap people in bubble wrap. I just don’t do it. The rare occasions I do ride a bike, I don’t wear a helmet and won’t. It’s my head. And I’d rather splat it on the sidewalk than live under the thumb.

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The sources I’ve looked at regarding this topic were not creationist. Anyway, this is a topic I have not looked into much and I only answered the question with the limited knowledge I have. It is not significantly consequential to my faith.

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It was for me. Just sharing. I found that if the first story in the Bible was not factual, that I really should be skeptical of all of it. We know it didn’t happen as in Genesis, unless it did and it was made to appear different to trick us and test our faith. We know the flood didn’t happen as described in the Bible. How do we determine which parts are true and which parts are myth?

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Slow day at work so I guess its’ about time I hop into another circus.

UNPOPULAR OPINION:
I do not believe in a higher power, but I respect everyone’s right to believe in what they want. Except Mormons.

Okay, let me elaborate before people start hating on me.
The Mormon religion was created in 1830 by a known con artist (supposedly who had made a bet that he could create a religion, unverified) who claimed he was the only person who could read this book… making him a self-proclaimed prophet of the lord. People chose to believe this, and also that having multiple wives was 1) a good thing and 2) morally/religiously acceptable.

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I consider polygamy destructive to society. An incongruency I’ve noticed in many who feel the same is none of the same loathing for racking up a hefty lay count and very lax sexual standards.

Despite my loathing for it, at least men who are polygamous for religious reasons have family and community orientation versus men who “pump and dump”.

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