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I think rapists should simply be execute, and I donât think there should be any âf youâ to victims. I donât see how outlawing abortions would be an âf youâ to victims and as said before, the unplanned-for baby has no say in the matter of it being brought into existence. But I believe that there is life from the formation of a zygote. The reason you and I are alive today is because there was no interruption from zygote to who we are now.
And for a rape victim to give birth and raise a child would (and should) take enormous emotional help from family, friends and community. Every victim has resentment, in some cases a desire for revenge too, baby included in the incident or not. Of course the aim is to cope with it, though in some cases it cannot.
As for politics, I am all for good old-fashion mom-and-pop capitalism and entrepreneurship. I am not for global capitalism, which is simply the oligarchy and monopolization we have today.
I have concluded that mass democracy is a scam and that I donât think every person should be allowed to vote simply because they existed for 18 years. As and said, I have been around all sorts of people amongst the socioeconomic continuum, and from this Iâve concluded that there is, as I said, a âmessyâ element in the population. They might not be bad people, but they lack agency, are dim-witted, and highly irresponsible. So I donât want such people having much of a say in how I will be governed, nor would I mind them being kept in line. Have either of you tried managing such people? Should they manage others? Thereâs hierarchy in this world for good reason and I think a government should reflect that.
I think convicted felons arenât allowed to vote, this would include rapists.
I tend to disagree as I personally believe capitol punishment is barbaric and ought to be reserved only for the most heinous of cases (i.e Adolf Eichmann, serial killers etc)
In this case, are you also against emergency contraception (the morning after pill)? Do you also view this as a form of murder?
Yet I wouldnât be able to comprehend the concept of life had my pregnancy been terminated. I understand what youâre getting at though. Rather I donât believe we can consider an individual fully formed prior to having formed a conscious.
Generally they donât, unless the âmessyâ element of the populace is the designated majority I donât believe the majority of legislature enacted specifically caters towards the benefit of dysfunctional, jobless drug addicts.
I can understand what youâre getting at once again, but I donât believe in using penalisation/excess force to âforce a margin of the populace in lineâ. Historical accounts (i.e authoritarian regimes) appears to indicate this doesnât pan out time and time again. Power tends to be abused and taken out of context
I think you are looking at your perceived utopian ideal, however in practicality there are certain barriers that prevent a societal outcome existing under the exact specifics/constructs of which youâd prefer.
Great, but some people donât have supporting families, some people hardly have a place to call home. Sometimes your âfriendsâ arenât as âfriendlyâ as you once thought they were (I can vouch for this). Not everyone has an adequate support network, and in the case of medical intervention (even with universal healthcare) socioeconomic disparities dictate the quality of treatment one recieves.
Itâs more than this, sometimes victims wonât even take the care to court as they simply canât bear to be in the same room as the perpetrator/perpetrators. They donât want to relive the process through thought. PTSD is a complex entity, having to carry and raise a child formed through rape can/WILL lead to forced miscarriages, suicide etc.
If someone is stating âtake this baby out or ill do it myselfâ be it though suicide, forced abortion (drinking, self harm etc) is it really ethical to say âokay, you go ahead and kill your self or risk capitol punishment/severe penalisation for inducing abortionâ
I think what is ethical is having the appropriate healthcare workers (social workers, nurses, psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors) and spiritual leaders available to help victims and children. I believe the saying âit takes a villageâŠâ does not only apply to children. Sometimes adults need a lot of help too!
The sad fact that many people have no friends or shitty âfriendsâ or no family is a reflection of the increasingly alienating West. Either family and âfriendsâ donât value one another or the individual made no investment in forming bonds in the first place. That is perfectly reflected in the cosmopolitan nomads we see in our big cities. This is a whole topic altogether, but such bonds can be formed in religious communities. But then again these thrill seekers often scoff at religion.
This doesnât help the fact many still arenât going to be comfortable keeping the child. Regardless of therapeutic intervention, there will be disdain towards the child, yet alone the mere concept of having to deal with side effects associated with carrying a rapists offspring; the individual that has inflicted unparalleled trauma unto the victim.
I understand youâve experienced depression/suicidal idealation, I donât know the exact specifics of your circumstances so Iâll just delve into my experiences. Iâve never experienced sexual assault, but I can identify with feeling so broken there is no foreseeable way out, regardless of therapy, familial support etc. Idealation/thinking about suicide is one thing, acting out on these feelings is another ballpark (and dealing with the ramifications associated with these acts). Thatâs all Iâm going to say regarding that department
Some of these people require round the clock meds that are sedating and contraindicated within relation to pregnancy. The quality of life for the child and individual needs to be taken into account. There are some who will, and I repeat WILL take drastic action impeding the health of the individual and the baby in effort to expel the child. This child wonât be thought of as a gift from god, rather a vile entity, a parasite that needs to be expelled.
Speaking of bastard children and broken homes/your displeasure of these concepts. How easy is it going to be to explain to a child âyour mother isnât affectionate towards you because she was raped, you are the child of this rapist and we donât know who your father⊠the rapist⊠isâ. This opens up the potential for a whole avenue of neurodevelopmental issues/psychiatric pathology growing up.
Youâve specified you donât mind people being kept in line in order to cater towards your ideal. What about those who donât cater towards your belief (a stark majority), should we disregard the majority to cater towards the minority due to your specific beliefs? This is why democracy exists, had the majority harboured your beliefs; your ideals would become reality.
Disagree, the concept of evil, greed and rapacity has been described within religious scripture. These arenât concepts new to humankind.
Such bonds can be found within religious communities, but what about the large portion of society that sides with science as opposed to religion and associated beliefs (i.e the higher power within the context it is portrayed).
What about these people? Passive people like me that simply donât buy it but otherwise wouldnât harm a fly? To state that we ought to be beaten into subservience or put to death would be a very extreme belief.
I only mentioned religion. People can bond for a variety of reasons.
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Iâve never even thought of doing this to someone.
I mustâve interpreted your posts incorrectly. Iâve interpreted people who âlack agencyâ to be indicative of those who indulge/have indulged in activities you consider vice like. So casual relations, perhaps occasional recreational drug use, athiestic individuals, those who attend concerts consisting of âdegenerateâ music, etc.
Though perhaps your depiction of an individual who lacks agency is akin to mine. An individual who does not function as a productive member of society in any way, shape or form and/or serves to instill overt societal dysfunction through the manipulation of others for personal gain.
And you state this (keeping them subservient for the greater good through whatever means.) Youâve also alluded to capitol punishment being used as a means of punishment for various nonviolent crimes (i.e adultry), though I might be getting your posts mixed up with someone elseâs. You have alluded to violent punishment being used for otherwise victimless crimes like a kid taking a tablet at a festival (public flogging).
Perhaps Iâm taking things out of context, rather it was my interpretation.
More like this. And it doesnât even take extreme measures.
That wasnât me. I donât even recall this scenario. That would sure freak me out just hearing about it.
I mentioned fines for adultery, as is practiced in six states.
Exactly, Iâd be happy for friendship/community bonding to be a more valued commodity. That being said, I donât believe communities need to be tightly knit and isolated, branching out is important to broaden perspectives. Whatâs more, I certainly donât believe friendships or community bonds need to be formed through religion
I do wish more valued the loyalty associated with friendship, I also wish people werenât so self centred/focused on themselves as opposed to the needs of society. Supporting the foundational construct that enables you to live your life can serve to benefit everyone immensely as opposed to focusing on instantaneous gratification at the expense of/regardless of everyone else
It wasnât you, I apologise (went back and took a look).
Youâve alluded to the death penalty for large scale distribution of narcotics. Which is actually in line with the penalties associated with this act in numerous countries. Elsewhere (like Aus) its life in prison
I think youâd be be freaked out if you heard about some of the shit that went down in NSW regarding the overpolicing of festivals, the strip searching and intimidating kids (who typically didnât have anything on them).
I hope you know Iâm not some wannabe tyrant. I actually find it hard to be mean to people. I once almost couldnât bring myself to write up a worker I supervise.
No way dude, as Iâve specified prior I think youâre a kind, empathetic individual. Our conversations may cover tough and/or controversial topics, however this doesnât change the way I view you as an individual.
I donât know you in person, but from what Iâve percieved through your posts unrelated to political discourse you seem like a really nice guy.
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Donât hospitals give rape victims the morning after pill? The Bible doesnât say anything about that.
Is this a response to me or @BrickHead
Unfortunately a large portion of rape victims donât report the crime, as doing so puts them under scrutiny of law enforcement/the courts; thus the prospect of reliving the trauma associated with rape is very real.
The percentage of rape victaims finding themselves in hospital immediately after the act is likely a very small minority. I donât know whether hospitals give rape victims the morning after pill. Iâd assume theyâd require patient consent prior to administering a medication (provided the patient is conscious and able to provide consent).
They can still buy the pill.
What are you trying to argue here?
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Iâm not trying to argue anything. Iâm saying that regardless of abortion laws, women can buy the morning after pill. Obviously, if for some reason she canât get the pill weâre back to abortion. But another option exists and women should be made aware of that.
Fair, it definitely depends on the country one resides in though. Some women unfortunately donât have access to the morning after pill.
One can also take Mifepristone and Misoprostol to end a pregnancy in itâs early stages (called the âabortion pillâ)