Religion Catch All

[BrickHead]

Then I’ll post it again. And no, you didn’t guess what element of homosexuality I refer to but won’t mention.

Here is the post again:

@mnben87
I was the one who mentioned slavery and homosexuality mentioned in the Bible. Mention of these topics is not inherently a cheap shot and I think they are important topics generally. What I believe is a cheap shot is bringing them up as zingers to gaslight religious people while glossing over all the good in religion and the parables and virtues mentioned.

Homosexuality and slavery, especially antebellum slavery, can only be discussed through extremely myopic standpoints these days, so I won’t discuss them in depth at all.

I’ve vaguely discussed homosexuality on here and won’t go farther than vagueness even though I see that there is an element of it that is completely glossed over on here which I won’t mention. I haven’t discussed slavery on here and won’t other than stating I don’t condone it. Considering so many peoples have enslaved and mistreated others, those who cannot abstain from emotions for the topic will likely be offended and will offend others. I believe most people cannot help themselves with these topics.

Hence I have brought up several times gaslighting and libel and the verbal arsenal of words such as bigot, Nazi, hater, fascist, extremist, and so on.

So with the current Zeitgeist, and the bullying and sheepish streak of Many people, the religious or “old fashioned” person can be put on the defensive right from the start of a conversation. That’s why some men ask others who they would let their daughters date. They want to see it they have an Archie Bunker before them. Before someone knows what’s going on, he might be in a conversation about evil mustache men and Islam.

A conversation can go like this:
Guy says something politically incorrect or harsh that might be factual —> poof! —> Islam, evil mustache men.

I believe discussing sex in here is fruitless considering many people, including on here, continue to speak as if the results of homosexual and straight sex actually remain “behind closed doors”, especially considering there are billions of people on earth and there has been abortions of tens of millions of babies that in the US.

@dt79 Why does one need a sexual CV before marriage? One can have no such CV and have a fine marriage. I’ve met many people with long lasting marriages who didn’t have one.

Perhaps @oglebee has some thoughts on these matters too considering he likes dabbling with reality too.

[unreal24278]

@BrickHead

And no, you didn’t guess what element of homosexuality I refer to but won’t mention.

If you don’t mention it then you must clearly be a nazi. It’s the only logical explanation… a Jewish nazi

For the record, I’m not serious

@BrickHead

Why does one need a sexual CV before marriage? One can have no such CV and have a fine marriage. I’ve met many people with long lasting marriages who didn’t have one.

You don’t but perhaps it’d be helpful to know how to actually please a woman before settling down with one for the rest of your life. Under "conservative’’ constructs wherein sex isn’t openly talked about those getting married are typically EXTREMELY inexperienced. I’d go as far as to say it’s plausible a large portion of women back in the day ever experienced an orgasm through sexual relations during marriage.

Out of curiosity, do you view masturbation as sinful/degenerate (without the aid of pornography)

[dt79]

@BrickHead

Why does one need a sexual CV before marriage? One can have no such CV and have a fine marriage. I’ve met many people with long lasting marriages who didn’t have one.

You might have misunderstood me. In the case of a priest, I would want to see his experience when it comes to a happy marriage before I listen to any of his advice.

@BrickHead

Why does one need a sexual CV before marriage? One can have no such CV and have a fine marriage. I’ve met many people with long lasting marriages who didn’t have one.

I was being humorous when I said “sexual CV”. I feel I made my stance clear, though. If you don’t have much experience with prior relationships, I see no reason to take your advice on what makes a relationship work unless you’ve been happily married for at least over a decade.

“Long lasting” relationships also mean nothing to me. It can be a shitty relationship that even well adjusted, responsible people can’t escape because of their children. I’ve heard enough whining and have had to keep my mouth shut about extra-marital affairs for a decade for enough people in shitty marriages to know that.

And as I said, I had a lot of relationships before I met my wife. I was able to spot red flags, or in her case, the lack of them, which is why I married her. I do not think noobs will be able to do that.

[oglebee]

@unreal24278

Hell… what was the average lifespan back then? Like… 35? No wonder people settled down so early

Probably not as low as 35. According to this article classical Greek lifespan was early seventies.

Granted, its obviously flawed regarding sample size and selection bias plays an affect but when you account for infant mortality I am sure most people live more than 35 years.

The length of life and eugeria in classical Greece - PubMed

@unreal24278

Most societies invariably collapse do they not? Our societal dynamics aren’t exactly sustainable.

Yeah. So. As someone who lives in a society. Would you rather your society continue? Or disintegrate?

The answer is obvious. You most likely want it to continue.

So examining trends of previous societal collapse may provide insight so that we ourselves may avoid future missteps contributing to our demise.

A worthy endeavour I think.

@unreal24278

Given the sheer volume of people alive at this very given moment I’d think it’d be quite difficult to stifle fertility rates to the point wherein we perceive a legitimate populational decline.

Yeah.

I don’t think it’s necessarily the plummeting fertility rates leading to negative population growth but rather the slow cultural erosion of that society by influx of other cultures to replace the population loss.

At least that was my interpretation and I did not include the full quote.

@unreal24278

There is no longer a set date (i.e you need to be married and settled before 25) as such a guideline is no longer relevant when you remain virile, healthy and fertile well into your late 30s/early 40s.

Just to clarify.

You need to check your privilege.
Your male privilege. Haha.

Women are not fertile well into their late 30s.

@unreal24278

I do believe we are destined for societal collapse as it’d merely be a repeat of countless historical accounts.

Wouldn’t you want to find out what happened to them and make sure it doesn’t happen to you?

@unreal24278

Global warming/dimming, economic crisis, famine, a large scale pandemic etc all come to mind as far more pressing potential concerns as opposed to promiscuity, legalised hedonism (i.e cannabis, alcohol and tobacco) and homosexuality.

I disagree with this.

I think you are understating the significance of the degradation of the moral fabric which our society is woven from on the potential for societal collapse.

I thought I laid out some solid evidence of trends previously seen through out history. At least worthy of note.

@unreal24278

Fixating on societal aspects like homosexuality, casual sex etc seems like a hysterical over-reaction to me.

Its more than just casual sex.

Don’t you see that?

Clearly not.

@unreal24278

ridiculous societal constructs based in ignorance as opposed to scientific fact.

Mate, what the hell are you on about scientific fact vs. ignorance?

[BrickHead]

@unreal24278

You don’t but perhaps it’d be helpful to know how to actually please a woman before settling down with one for the rest of your life. Under "conservative’’ constructs wherein sex isn’t openly talked about those getting married are typically EXTREMELY inexperienced. I’d go as far as to say it’s plausible a large portion of women back in the day ever experienced an orgasm through sexual relations during marriage.

Out of curiosity, do you view masturbation as sinful/degenerate (without the aid of pornography)

The experience comes from doing it, which in the cases I mentioned came from doing it with spouses.

I think masturbation is extremely difficult to abstain from if one does not have sex regularly. I don’t think it’s good but like other men I did it for much of my life. Several years ago I started feeling mentally uncomfortable after doing it, even into the day after. So I stopped. I also stopped watching porn several years ago, which greatly makes me uncomfortable.

[unreal24278]

@oglebee

You need to check your privilege.
Your male privilege. Haha.

Women are not fertile well into their late 30s.

Rebuttal, you aren’t aware of my health ailments. There’s a decent chance I’m not fertile at all. As a result I will NOT check my privilege. Also, most women are still theoretically fertile at age 40, albeit less/half so than at age 30.

@oglebee

Mate, what the hell are you on about scientific fact vs. ignorance?

In relation to hedonism, past trends and scientific literature would dictate we can probably handle the damages incurred from vices such as gambling, recreational drug use (within reason) and lenient attitudes towards sexuality. You are referring to historical examples well past their time as a relevant framework for ramifications associated with attitudes harboured in todays day and age.

If the romans were smoking a pack a day, chances are they wouldn’t be able to adequately deal with the health ramifications associated with tobacco use. With technological advancements we have been able to handle the burden associated with tobacco use despite the product being “pro-death”.

@oglebee

Its more than just casual sex.

Don’t you see that?

Clearly not.

No need for the condescending attitude my friend. I disagree with your narrative, chances are you aren’t going to win me over.

@BrickHead

I also stopped watching porn several years ago, which greatly makes me uncomfortable.

Watching pornography isn’t the same as masturbation. I don’t have a problem with pornography, but I do believe it is a vice; I don’t view masturbation in the same cotext.

[unreal24278]

@BrickHead

Several years ago I started feeling mentally uncomfortable after doing it,

May I ask what changed? Quite frankly I can go with or without. I prefer to masturbate and/or have a method of sexual release simply because it feels good and relieves stress. On the other hand, if I’m in an environment without privacy I am able to go without for weeks/potentially months without an issue.

Why is it you don’t believe masturbation is “good”. If you don’t believe in sex before marriage what do you prepose men do prior to the the age of married. It should also be noted men generally have higher libidos in comparison to women. I can “release” three or four times in any given day if I so please, granted I don’t as I don’t believe it would be healthy to spend this much time masturbating. There’s very little chance I’d be able to find a partner willing to reciprocate by having sex on a daily basis.

[oglebee]

@unreal24278

Also, most women are still theoretically fertile at age 40, albeit less/half so than at age 30.

Yeah. Well I can tell you from personal experience. Many women who’ve waited until their 30’s to conceive (for a myriad of reasons) would not have been able to have any children at all had it not been for IVF of some sort.

You are not wrong but you are not exactly right either.

Where as men can get women pregnant well into old age. Hence the check your privilege joke.

@unreal24278

In relation to hedonism, past trends and scientific literature would dictate we can probably handle the damages incurred from vices such as gambling, recreational drug use (within reason) and lenient attitudes towards sexuality.

Ok well show me the literature.

You don’t get to cite scientific reason and then now provide any.

@unreal24278

You are referring to historical examples well past their time as a relevant framework for ramifications associated with attitudes harboured in todays day and age.

Now I am sharing trends that people who look for trends in societies before collapse have discovered.

@unreal24278

No need for the condescending attitude my friend. I disagree with your narrative, chances are you aren’t going to win me over.

Aim wasn’t to be condescending. I just don’t feel like typing out massive paragraphs. Sorry if the bluntness offended you.

[unreal24278]

@oglebee

Ok well show me the literature.

I pinky promise I will tommorow as I’ve linked literature relating to this before. I’m currently tired and relaxing. I’m happy to converse on here with you as I do enjoy our conversations :), on the other hand me linking this literature and integrating it into our conversation will encompass a massive post that’ll probably take me 20-30 minutes to create as I have to sort through a large portion of literature, link it and pull out portions relevant to our discussion. Keep in mind a PINKY promise is not one I will break!

@oglebee

been for IVF

I was one of these!

[unreal24278]

@oglebee

I think you are understating the significance of the degradation of the moral fabric which our society is woven from on the potential for societal collapse.

Arguably let’s say unchecked global warming has the potential to make the earth uninhabitable within the next few hundred years. Do you really think societal collapse will occur within this timeframe due to societal catering towards hedonism?

I believe we are destined for eventual extinction, I don’t believe there is a way around this unless we manage to find a different planet to inhabit. Enjoy an adequate quality of life while you’ve still got it. Chances are no life shattering mass extinction will occur within our lifetime.

@oglebee

Where as men can get women pregnant well into old age. Hence the check your privilege joke.

Understood, I made a depressing joke back; insinuating perhaps I’ll never be able to get a woman pregnant

#comicalundertones

[dt79]

@oglebee

Let me know what you all think?

I think the sky isn’t falling and people who get sucked into all this would be better off spending their time focussing on things that actually matter - religion, kids, upgrading one’s skills, education, etc.

It’s a Chinese thing.

[dt79]

Shit, I’m more or less off till the end of the year and I spent the day learning nodejs for shits and giggles.

[oglebee]

@BrickHead

So with the current Zeitgeist, and the bullying and sheepish streak of Many people, the religious or “old fashioned” person can be put on the defensive right from the start of a conversation.

It’s funny how often me, an atheistic Jew, has had to defend Christianity amongst my peers/colleagues.

Many of them are incredibly educated with fancy doctorates and claim to be super liberal. Clearly their definition of liberal isn’t in line with the classical definition of liberal though.

They act as if it is so abhorrent that someone might conceivably think abortion is murder and you should wait to get married to have sex.

You can have those “conservative” view points and they are totally valid.

I don’t have an issue with them disagreeing with “conservative” view points.

My issue is when they disregard these people and try to invalidate their beliefs as if they are completely erroneous.

@BrickHead

That’s why some men ask others who they would let their daughters date. They want to see it they have an Archie Bunker before them. Before someone knows what’s going on, he might be in a conversation about evil mustache men and Islam.

@BrickHead

A conversation can go like this:
Guy says something politically incorrect or harsh that might be factual —> poof! —> Islam, evil mustache men.

Wait. Are you saying more conservative types employ this to see if they are speaking to one of their own or liberal types do this to weed out conservative types.

I never watched/read Archie Bunker so forgive me.

@BrickHead

I believe discussing sex in here is fruitless considering many people, including on here, continue to speak as if the results of homosexual and straight sex actually remain “behind closed doors”

@BrickHead

Perhaps @oglebee has some thoughts on these matters too considering he likes dabbling with reality too.

Mate. It’s just so vogue to be woke.

I wish I had more to add sorry.

But I will leave this here. If you all don’t chew tobacco you should.

Predator - Sexual Tyrannosaurus

[unreal24278]

@oglebee

You can have those “conservative” view points and they are totally valid

Should state I do believe these viewpoints are valid. I don’t agree with them, but I’m not going to call someone an idiot because they harbour these beliefs.

@oglebee

If you all don’t chew tobacco you should.

Nah man, I’ve seen what dip looks like. I once purchased it in Spain because I was curious but threw it out… looked nasty…

[oglebee]

@unreal24278

Arguably let’s say unchecked global warming has the potential to make the earth uninhabitable within the next few hundred years.

I am not going to open that can of worms. But I will say we should be more environmentally conscious as a species.

@unreal24278

Do you really think societal collapse will occur within this timeframe due to societal catering towards hedonism?

I honestly have no clue. But I wouldn’t be surprised.

@unreal24278

I believe we are destined for eventual extinction, I don’t believe there is a way around this unless we manage to find a different planet to inhabit.

Yeah doesn’t mean I don’t want to try to leave the Earth a better place in some fashion or another for my children.

@unreal24278

Understood, I made a depressing joke back; insinuating perhaps I’ll never be able to get a woman pregnant

Yeah. Well. The sex dolls are real life like these days. So thats a plus.

@dt79

I think the sky isn’t falling and people who get sucked into all this would be better off spending their time focussing on things that actually matter - religion, kids, upgrading one’s skills, education, etc.

It’s a Chinese thing.

Are you throwing shade at me dt79?

Are you saying I shouldn’t be concerned about societal collapse?

Did uncle Xi tell you to say that. Get us to put our guard down hey. Such a classic move. Well you won’t fool me!

Obviously jk bro. But seriously. How long you an uncle Xi been tight for?

[dt79]

@oglebee

Obviously jk bro. But seriously. How long you an uncle Xi been tight for?

Uncle Xi is too busy trying to take over the world. He’s got no time for me. SAD!

But you might want to check out his background and educational history to see what kind of man we’re dealing with here.

[oglebee]

@unreal24278

Nah man, I’ve seen what dip looks like. I once purchased it in Spain because I was curious but threw it out… looked nasty…

Oh dip and chew are not totally the same.

Dip is a bit more refined. Bunch of flavours. Chew I don’t believe comes in any flavours.

[unreal24278]

@oglebee

The sex dolls are real life like these days. So thats a plus.

Hmmmmm… I suppose this could serve as a decent outlet for those who can’t find a partner/would otherwise never be able to procure a mate.

This doesn’t help me though. I’d rather be having sex with a human as opposed to a doll. Adoption and/or potentially IVF would probably be the way to go if I have any viable sperm.

Gotta say I wouldn’t be too keen on these realistic dolls going mainstream, thankfully the price tag associated with them make this a financial impossibility.

… wonder whether I’d make a good father… I like to think I’d care for and try nurture my child to the best of my capabilities.

[oglebee]

@unreal24278

This doesn’t help me though. I’d rather be having sex with a human as opposed to a doll.

And now would be a perfect opportunity for me to explain how the degradation of morals via a multitude of avenues has significantly contributed to your dilemma. One shared by many men.

Loosening morals in conjunction with tinder have really made it hard for many men to obtain partners.

It is only a natural outcome. When women are the sex that get to choose the mate. They all partake in hypergamy. And throw Tinder into the picture and it is hypergamy on steroids.

Thats all I feel like saying on that for now.

@unreal24278

thankfully the price tag associated with them make this a financial impossibility.

Good point.

Heavy price tag. my advice find a mate or two. Split the cost. Sharing one costs way less.

[unreal24278]

@oglebee

my advice find a mate or two. Split the cost. Sharing one costs way less.

Dude… gross… eww