I think you might want to stop with the YouTube. Or, if you insist on posting these things you mention, how about some concrete evidence and not just what you’re hearing. The whole he said she said argument doesn’t work with the adults in the room.
Last time I checked adults had the ability to check up on facts themselves. Stop being so lazy and try and research it yourself. Maybe you’d find out there’s something to the story?
I think this is quite a few steps below hardcore pornography. Perhaps you and I have a differing criteria as to what porn consists of. Dirty magazines at the gas station aren’t marketed towards kids, items/DVD’s inside sex shops aren’t marketed towards kids and websites containing XXX content certainly aren’t advertised towards children.
You could argue it has become very easy for children to access pornographic material during the digital age, but I can’t see how explicit XXX content is directly marketed towards children.
I have to research the things you’re hearing? I’m not the one making assertions.
They also chemically castrated him.
(^for people who don’t know how great of man we’re talking about here)
The man was also the origin of blockchain technology ffs. I’m not talking about just the bitcoin shit. I’m talking about the blockchain. Google it.
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So I was just doing some reading on wikipedia. About societal collapse. Which seems where we are inevitably headed.
Here are some of my favourite bits from the article:
“Societal collapse (also known as civilizational collapse) is the fall of a complex human society characterized by the loss of cultural identity and of socioeconomic complexity, the downfall of government, and the rise of violence”
An apt description of our current situation.
"Journalist Michael Rosenwald wrote, “…history shows that past pandemics have reshaped societies in profound ways. Hundreds of millions of people have died. Empires have fallen. Governments have cracked. Generations have been annihilated.”
Writing in The Histories , Greek historian Polybius, largely blamed the decline of the Hellenistic world on low fertility rates. He asserted that while protracted wars and deadly epidemics were absent, people were generally more interested in “show and money and the pleasures of an idle life” rather than marrying and raising children. Those who did have children, he said, had no more than one or two, with the express intention of “leaving them well off or bringing them up in extravagant luxury.”
Can you see the parallel between Ancient Greece and the West today?
Here read this about Rome in its twilight
“In the final years of the Roman Republic, Roman women were well-known for divorcing, having extra-marital affairs, and reluctance to bear children.”
Below is what Augustus said to the elite in response to the issues the above brought. Something I also think is occuring in the West.
“In a speech to Roman nobles, the Emperor expressed his pressing concern over the low birthrates of the Romans elite. He said that freed slaves had been granted citizenship and Roman allies given seats government to increase the power and prosperity of Rome, yet the “original stock” was not replacing themselves, leaving the task to foreigners.”
“Like their Greek counterparts, Roman elites had access to contraception—though this knowledge was lost to Europe during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern Period—and as such were able to enjoy sexual intercourse without having to rear additional children. In other words, people of high socioeconomic class of the Greco-Roman world were able to control their own fertility. Not only that, this ability likely trickled down to the lower classes. In any case, the result was predictable. Due to the absence of modern medicine, which could extend life expectancy, their numbers started shrinking. Moreover, population decline coincided with people being less religious and more questioning of traditions, both of which contributed to falling fertility as more and more people came to the conclusion that it was up to them, rather than the gods, how many children they had”
“Social scientists Edward Dutton and Michael Woodley of Menie make the case in their book At Our Wits’ End (2018) that to the extent that intelligence is heritable, the tendency of the cognitive elite to produce fewer children once a society reaches a certain level of development and prosperity precipitates its decline.”
And in the middle east:
“Dutton and Woodley assert that in during the early days of the Islamic Civilization, there was strong selection for higher g because Muslims practiced polygamy, in which case women strongly preferred men of high socioeconomic status (hypergamy). Men of higher g would have been able to achieve higher status more easily. Moreover, the preachers and scholars called imams were not forbidden to marry. As a result, the level of intelligence continued to rise, culminating in the Islamic Golden Age, which lasted from around A.D. 800 to the Siege of Baghdad (1258).”
And same thing that happened in Greece and Rome happened in the Arab civilization:
“But as their civilization became more prosperous, the level of stress and infant mortality fell. Highly intelligent people and those who were not highly religious started to limit their fertility. Contraception was neither forbidden, nor unknown. The level of intelligence consequently fell, which would explain why the scholars listed in The Encyclopedia of Muslim Scientific Pioneers all lived before 1750. Moreover, 64% of them lived before 1250, and thus before the end of the Islamic Golden Age.”
They discussed other factors but considering the theme of this thread I thought these were the most relevant.
Let me know what you all think?
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Well, where’s you research for dismissing the assertion, rather than just putting your head in the sand.
Thats not how he operates. Haven’t you learned that yet?
Good Post. As I have alluded several times we’re on the decline, and the decline is ugly.
I read a lengthy review of At Our Wit’s End and I want to purchase it.
That’s not how it works.
Because I’m not uneducated.
We weren’t conquered by the Macedonians and then the Romans.
That would be the Republic, not the Empire.
Yes, they were conquered by the Mongols and later the Ottomans.
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Why’d you delete this post, it was a thought provoking post.
It should also be noted, harbouring unpopular and/or potentially discriminative opinions doesn’t equate to you being a Nazi or having relation to supremacist groups. You’re biologically Jewish, it’d be pretty funny if you were a Nazi…
I’d stimulate the element you perceive being glossed over is STD transmission and downstream consequence associated with licentiousness. These are valid, factual viewpoints as we can look at the statistics and observe the emergence of new sexually transmitted diseases + an increased incidence of sexually communicable disease transmission following the sexual revolution. Societal pressure to conform/the hype surrounding virginal status or lack thereof isn’t a healthy construct and can lead to systemic anxiety and strained relations through purportedly ‘no consequence’ relations.
That being saiid, I see this as a lesser of two evils. Technological advancements partially dictate societal progressions. With the invention of the oral contraceptive, widespread availability of condoms it’s only conceivable the rate of casual encounters would increase amongst the general populace. One must also factor in there was clearly a large desire for this given the invention of these contraptions/devices in the first place. I’d argue historical societies might have adopted simliar patterns regarding the abandonment of religion and associated dynamics had current era technology been available. Hell… what was the average lifespan back then? Like… 35? No wonder people settled down so early
The largest potential consequence stemming from teenage sexual encounters is pregnancy, not (in most instances) curable STD’s or strained/decimated friendships. A teenager typically lacks the funds and emotional maturity required to raise a child, and bearing a child at such a young age is typically associated with higher maternal mortality rates and stifles future career opportunities as is conceivable one might drop out of school/college in order to cater towards the childs needs. At times if the teenager/family can’t cope with another child, the prospect of a neglectful upbringing comes into play; particularly if the parent resents the child for stifling his/her future. As for adoption, orphanages aren’t exactly the friendliest of environments to grow up in; and there’s still the chance the child grows up without a father/mother figure. With this construct at hand, perhaps aboortion is preferable to growing up in an orphanange/a broken, abusive home. You could argue for societal overhaul, but this isn’t happening anytime soon (at least in the direction you’re hoping to go).
Abortion has merit under certain circumstances, granted quite frankly I have no objections towards abortion under any pretence. I don’t view the life of an unborn child to have merit akin to a fully formed individual who is out of the womb (cOmE At mE BrO)
As for the current status of old fashioned societies, quite a few Middle Eastern societies accomplish the picture you more or less have in mind. A conversation about altering societal rule to cater towards religious law is understandably going to lead to a discussion about Islam as this is theoretically the only modern example we have regarding countries run under the pretence of a theocracy/under religious law. The result is a shit-show…
As to the argument “you can still get pregnant on the pill” or “condoms break, you can still catch an STD”, I’ll reply “you can get hit by a bus casually strolling down the street too. When employed correctly contraceptives are very effective”
You teach history right? College or high school if I may ask?
Most societies invariably collapse do they not? Our societal dynamics aren’t exactly sustainable.
Given the sheer volume of people alive at this very given moment I’d think it’d be quite difficult to stifle fertility rates to the point wherein we perceive a legitimate populational decline. I’d have to dig up the statistics again, but if I recall correctly the majority of adults end up producing offspring.
Did they even have condoms back then? How did this work? “Greek” method (i.e the way men/men have sexual relations)?
I believe technological advancements have given us more opportunity/a longer timeframe to find a partner/mate, to prosper and reproduce. There is no longer a set date (i.e you need to be married and settled before 25) as such a guideline is no longer relevant when you remain virile, healthy and fertile well into your late 30s/early 40s.
I do believe we are destined for societal collapse as it’d merely be a repeat of countless historical accounts. Global warming/dimming, economic crisis, famine, a large scale pandemic etc all come to mind as far more pressing potential concerns as opposed to promiscuity, legalised hedonism (i.e cannabis, alcohol and tobacco) and homosexuality.
To stipulate homosexuality would have any relevant rate on populational decline is ludicrous given homosexuals make up around 1-2% of the worlds population.
I believe certain societal constraints such as the development of modern medicine, scientific and technological progression etc factor in here regarding end stage societal rammifications associated with certain actions and attitudes. I can’t tell you everything is going to be alright; because quite frankly I don’t believe this to be the case.
Fixating on societal aspects like homosexuality, casual sex etc seems like a hysterical over-reaction to me. If anything a stark divide regarding sociocultural and sociopolitical beliefs could spark a civil war of sorts, the ensuing destruction could theoretically lead to societal collapse and/or large scale reform. This would be a byproduct of clashing political factions rather than direct consequence of hedonism.
Productivity and economic stability ought to be prioritised ahead of hedonistic attitudes, however I envision a happy medium as opposed to rigid, ridiculous societal constructs based in ignorance as opposed to scientific fact.
Tough titties:)
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Animal intestines were historically used.
Mate.
Education has nothing to do with it.
Discourse is a two way street. And you seldom come forth with any contribution to the discourse. But you are always very quick with the unsubstantiated half rebuttals and the more than occasional ad hominem.
This adds nothing.
Same with this.
People have investigated and searched for trends common amongst societies that have collapsed.
What I shared are a few common trends that are relevant to the subject matter of this thread.
So you don’t think any of that had any real significance in contributing to the collapse of those civilisations?
Fine. Fair enough.
I come here for the discussion.
Why do you come here?
Sheepskin condoms are still around, not exactly animal intestines but interesting nonetheless.