Religion Catch All

Natural selection/survival of the fittest, I don’t intrinsically have an issue with this. Attraction exists on a scale, attractive mates are more likely to seek out other attractive mates. Promiscuous women tend to frequent tinder, there’s a sea of women who don’t frequent tinder to court.

I can hop on tinder and match with women, it’s not that hard (most people will be able to find a match if they “shotgun swipe”). Granted at the moment I won’t find a match as my tinder profile only consists of dog pictures.

Actually we aren’t. And the data is in to support this. I’ve presented it several times already.

There is data to support both sides of the argument. If you look hard enough you can find literature to support almost any narrative. The key is finding a large enough body of literature consistently backing the same findings to support your conveyed ideology. At which point I’d still say you can find a pretty large body of literature apt enough to back both bodies of thought.

Have you presented scientific literature/historical accounts before? I think you’ve presented evidence within regards to the latter

Bingo! Like we said many times, lenient attitudes on sex made it so that many men… (drum roll)… don’t get sex.

Oh, the irony!

The sexual revolutionaries promised each man a harem and each woman a rich, handsome man.

The result: none of the above.

Statistically speaking, the average man will have more sexual partners throughout his lifetime now in comparison to pre sexual revolution.

Men get the most attractive women their status/wealth can get them.
Women get the highest valued/wealthy male their looks can get them.
Usually.

Bit rude and hardly true. Nearly everyone (below 40 I would say) uses Tinder these days. The same way people use Facebook or Instagram to stay connected people use Tinder to date.

There is an entire generation that probably doesn’t know any other form of dating that isn’t via Tinder or some other app.

Anyways my point is:

Do you not think there might be a ripple or domino effect.

I think social harmony is very dependent on obtaining mates/life partners. I couldn’t argue the degree of that dependence but I feel comfortable stating that it is to some degree dependent on that.

I can’t recall the article I read on the subject otherwise I would cite it for you.

Something they discussed was how religion allowed for everyman to have a wife. Jordan Peterson referred to it as “enforced monogamy” and was grossly taken out of context.

Moral decay leads to lack of enforced monogamy. Now if you are like me and think that a large part of social harmony is dependant on obtaining life partner you will think this is bad. A lack of finding social/life partners → decreased social stability.

Now with Tinder. It is hypergamy on steroids. Women usually want tall men, aesthetically symmetrical, educated and with some wealth.

The thing with men is they will fuck anything. Even if the women is not what they would normally go for.

Tinder is incredibly adept at facilitating these sorts of interactions.

So to use crude terms. A bunch of female threes and fours are matching with men who are eights. For example.

And more often than not since men have way higher sex drives. They will hit up these threes and fours who would normally not have a chance with them.

And since single mother hood is cool now these women can get knocked up by these guys occasionally.

So where does that leave men who are not eights or even sevens.

Tinder has effectively increased the number and calibre of men that women can choose from. While leaving “lower status” male with very little to choose from.

Thus leading to decreased social stability. I think there are a plethora of additional inadvertent side effects to this but this post is long enough already as it is.

This is a gross over simplification. But just an example. Or a thought of mine as to why I think Tinder and decaying of morals is bad.

Maybe I am crazy but I don’t think so. I try and look at it through a Darwinistic lens.

But maybe I am guilty teleological thinking on this one. I don’t know.

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Can’t say the same for the women/men I know… and I’m a teenager (not for long dammit… scary thought) but I digress.

Can get behind this

Fuck…

Anyhow, it’s late man. I’m zonked for the day, talk tommorow :slight_smile:

Yeah. It sounds good in theory. And when you are young. But it just doesn’t work out that way in reality.

And it is not because there is something wrong with the actual act of sex itself.

I wonder what would be some metrics we could use to measure outcomes of the sexual revolution.

I would imagine there would me too many confounding variables to accurately assess its impact but for a few obvious ones. Like single motherhood abortions per year etc.

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There is A LOT of info out there.

Yes, if we go by average number of partners considering post-revolution particularly attractive (resources included) and outgoing men can hog a number of women.

Good post. People can look at polygamous societies and see how they turned out: volatile, and with an element of hostile and dangerous men.

No…

It depends on how you define those terms. Unless a group is wiped out, something of it will remain. 1066 ended Anglo-Saxon rule in England and had a huge influence on the language however, is there nothing left of the Anglo-Saxons?

As usual we have reached an impasse. You are incapable of seeing my points, and you believe a baby “not formed” in the womb, but actually formed enough to have extremities dismembered by forceps, and receive oxygen and nutrition, to have less merit than a fully formed one birthed. That’s interesting considering some women are induced for pregnancy with a “merit”-free baby.

It’s not wise for me to discuss abortion with others because it actually is the one of only a few topics that I have a hard time controlling emotion with. Plus I might slip and mention one of my personal anti-abortion American heroes.

Again, providing information to back up what I say is pointless on some topics. And I don’t even need data for much of it. I have my own eyes and ears.

I was going to adopt my brother’s baby she/he not been aborted by his grossly irresponsible alcoholic girlfriend at the time.

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I am not Unreal, but IMO, it doesn’t matter the development of the unborn. It has to do with bodily autonomy. I believe everyone should have rights to their own body, and that others do not have a right to use another’s body. If you believe this, then the unborn doesn’t have a right to the mother’s body, and abortion should be legal.

Because of ones rights to their own body, abortion is not murder. Murder is killing without a proper justification. Bodily rights provide a justification to kill. It is killing, but not murder. This is why someone else other than the mother killing (likely with a violent act towards the mother) the unborn would be a homicide / murder (they didn’t have justification to kill).

I know this is a sensitive topic. Don’t feel obligated to respond if you don’t care to. I just thought I would give you something to think about.

Does this go for lack of rights for breastfeeding too? How about shelter and hygiene that the baby cannot provide for itself? Or shall we go full Murray Rothbard and Perhaps justify dumping babies in garbage cans or into the woods?

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Legally speaking, yes. We can’t force women to breast feed their children (it would be a violation of bodily rights).

This is separate (doesn’t have to do with body rights). It isn’t applicable to the legality of abortion.

So in this case their is no justification using bodily rights.

Just one more question, out of curiosity, and then I’m done with the topic. Do people maintain a straight face when you tell them such things, along with the aforesaid notion that there’s no such thing as a selfless act?

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Hard to tell on the internet. I don’t talk about abortion / religion outside of settings similar to this. BTW, this isn’t a fringe idea (abortion should be legal because of bodily rights), it is the backbone of Roe (right of privacy, which is interpreted as the right to bodily autonomy). The idea that you think it is laughable seems a bit disingenuous to me (SCOTUS sided with this argument over the pro life arguments).

It’s not laughable at all. I wasn’t laughing at your statements nor would I laugh if someone worded it like that to me in person. I don’t find it funny. Far different feelings come over me.