We haven’t seen where these attitudes will end in these cultures yet. What you do have is a bit of a powder keg, in the NL. Add a lot of migrants from muslim countries that oppose all the western freedoms, let alone hedonistic attitudes, and you have a society that is set for nasty conflict, as one side or the other will eventually dominate. Diametrically opposed positions cannot live side by side peacefully for very long.
You’ve proposed an ideal framework somewhere on here before. If I recall correctly you’ve stated the ideal society would be run under the framework of a Christian/Catholic theocracy.
A society under biblical law would most certainly impose harsh restrictions/penalty for those caught having casual relations.
Homosexuality is always going to exist to some extent no matter what measures are taken . You accept that and decide to minimise any perceived negative impact. Its another thing to normalise it, or promote it without thinking it will have an impact on on your society.
Substitute homosexuality with addictive drugs. You could decriminalise them, people who were always going to use them will still use them, some others that wouldn’t have tried them may do so because of lack of stigma and availability. Promote drug taking as a normal part of life, tell impressionable school kids to experiment with them, before you know it a lot of people will be trying it out. The impact will be much greater.
I would, if I lacked common sense.
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Because life in the Papal States was so great.
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Yes I did bring the idea up for discussion in the past. But that’s not what was on my mind for my previous post here.
Should be noted removing criminal penalty associated with taking drugs doesn’t equate to inherent normalisation. Look at the way Australia/NZ has treated tobacco for reference
As to homosexuality/addictive drugs. Homosexuality isn’t a choice, the normalisation of homosexuality doesn’t equate to more people “turning gay”. Rather it may equate to more people coming out as they no longer feel the need to hide.
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Well if you don’t like addictive drug comparison, substitute it with crime. Just make all crimes, not crime.
Imagine how society would be if everyone just did what they wanted without any agreed consequences. Theft, murder, and rape would be rife.
Crime has negative connotations associated with it. Who is intrinsically harmed from two consenting males having sex?
You can’t associate homosexuality with rape and murder… that’s some ‘far right’ ideology lol
The body of thought “BuT tHe kIdS, ThInK aBoUt tHe KiDs’’ probably pisses me off he most. Homosexuality isn’t a choice, there is no body of data to suggest children will turn gay if exposed to homosexuality.
The truth is, disdain towards homosexuality as a concept typically stems from
- religous belief (fine)
- personal interpretation of morality (fine)
- ignorance (not fine)
Agreed. Normalisation is a another step after tolerance/open acceptance.
I don’t necessarily disagree. I think some people are born attracted to same sex. Some others will choose. Some others will have their choice taken from them, if they are molested as a child. The amount of kids molested by same sex offenders, a very large percentage later identify as gay(many others become offenders themselves). Because this happens at a young age before a kid has had a chance to develop an identity by themselves. Whose to say if they hadn’t been molested would they have developed straight. I don’t have figures either way, just an observation from people I have known over the years that got molested. At the very least it fucks up their minds and leaves them confused and emotionally damaged, in every case I can think of.
I would add that with normalisation, young impressionable children having it promoted as an option, without any consequences will experiment.
And if they don’t like it, they’ll find it repulsive and subsequently won’t do it again. Who cares?
In a general context, regardless of normalisation a heterosexual adolescent won’t be particuarly interested in same sex sexual relations. They’ll find the mere thought of it off putting, let alone the act.
I don’t think anyone is harmed from 2 consenting adult males having sex.
Promoting it as an option to every kid, isn’t necessary if people are actually born gay. Yet why is it increasingly being done?
You can compare anything with anything. Its not necessarily of the same order of magnitude, but it does illustrate that there are effects, often unintended by changing what is acceptable and what is not.
I was always for decriminalization of homosexuality, I just think now its gone from tolerance to acceptance, and now beyond. Toleration and even acceptance is not enough, its homophobic. We now are being forced to celebrate it, and promote it, to all children. To publicly disagree is to be a heretic, who faces cancellation. So much for tolerance and freedom of speech.
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And if they don’t like it, they’ll find it repulsive and subsequently won’t do it again. Who cares?
formative negative sexual encounters can have long lasting impacts on some individuals(others aren’t bothered at all though). Prolonged confusion and identity problem, mental health problems seem to be pretty common. Chicken or egg, ?
Are we referring to children having sexual encounters (i.e a child being molested, a child having a same sex sexual encounter). If this is the case I’d argue, why is a presumably prepubescent child engaging in sexual activity?
Sexual abuse/molestation does occur and can have devastating neurological effects on a child, adolescent or adult. Children however tend to be particularly vulnerable to adverse outcomes. Adolescents on the other hand have more or less reached sexual maturity (i.e can ejaculate/menstruate), they are capable of bearing children; although they probably shouldn’t as it is unlikely they’d have the financial needs to do so and under our current societal constructs it’d furthermore be unlikely for a teenager to settle down with one designated partner. One should also note maternal mortality rates are higher in adolescents as compared to women in their 20’s.
It can be argued there is potentially a correlation between sexual abuse during childhood and an increased incidence of homosexuality, thus an environmental variable (TRAUMA) may play a precipitating factor. I’d also postulate there is no correlation between the inherent normalisation of homosexuality and kids “turning gay”. Perhaps if they’re raising in those weird “gender neutral households” but otherwise… I doubt it. That’s just my opinion though
Not specifically referring to young children, more so for teenagers(even 19 year olds).
I’ve seen plenty of young people(yes even straight people) fucked up from bad relationships in their formative years. It seems to internally, unconsciously set a benchmark of what a relationship should be. The girl that always seems to pick someone who is abusive, time and time again. When they find someone who is not that way, and represents a healthy relationship, they run away.
Who is promoting this to kids?
I’ve seen studies that linked sexual abuse to obesity. Does this mean every obese man is gay?
depends upon the country,
Seems to be public education, sex ed. Then you have drag queen story time.
Same people that promote BLM, toxic masculinity, and other marxist type talking points.
No, sexual abuse is a highly traumatising event regardless of when it occurs. Some cater towards vices to cope/fill the void that may have been created through trauma. Whether this be drugs, promiscuity, eating etc… it’s all similar in nature. I’d argue those who have been sexually abused are probably more prone to making unhealthy lifestyle decisions (to note, homosexuality doesn’t count as an unhealthy lifestyle choice).
Higher rates of homosexuality have been noted to develop within individuals who were sexually abused as children. Whether the correlation is casual in nature or a direct, distinct correlation is up for debate.
This isn’t popular and is entirely optional to attend. I highly doubt toddlers listening are being influenced by a man dressed as a lady given they can’t even understand the construct of gender to begin with.
Toxic masculinity certainly does exist, but not under the realms parroted by certain organisations. Examples of toxic masculinity
- boys don’t cry
- men bottle up their feelings
- men only drink beer
- Etc