Rehab Finished - Next Go Round

Pharma / TRT
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Would love to hear opinions on how best to run these orals from the gang here on my first real cycle post surgery.

Finally good to go, and have been working hard since September when I had surgery. Here’s my next cycle idea.

Weeks: 8

GH: 5 iu eod post workout (had 100 iu’s left over)
TestP: 500/week
MastP: 400/week

Anavar and Winstrol up in the air…

Was thinking of running both together for 4 weeks in the middle of the cycle. Say weeks 2-6. Probably 50mg/day each.

I’m curious to what you guys like for an idea on the orals…Do you like my idea, or would you split them up, one at the start, say the var, and the winstrol at the end?

8 weeks is a bit of a stretch, but the var is pretty tame on the liver as we know…I don’t really have to throw them in and may not, depending on some of your reactions to be honest. For this reason,(liver), I liked the idea of tossing em both in at the same time together like I suggested.

Any suggestions and opinions more than welcome.
Thanks guys.
TB

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I have zero experience with orals but those injectables will be lovely together. :smiley:

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4 weeks var then 4 weeks of winny.

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[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
4 weeks var then 4 weeks of winny.[/quote]

Chillamang: How have you made it this far w/out the “oral experience”, no pun intended…lmao…

Yeah this is a sweet mix I’ll tell ya Chill. The ratio is different,(More Mast to Test ratio than the norm), than how most guys would run it I think, but it’s done that way to more closely gel with my own particular physio and sensitivity to test etc…

DD: You know thanks for saying that, I kind of figure it would be almost a bit too much and/or not entirely necessary to drop both together on top of the other stuff too. Plus I like the idea of going out with winstrol for the obvious reasons there too…

Thanks for the chime DDog. I think I’ll do just that.

TB

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[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
4 weeks var then 4 weeks of winny.[/quote]

Agreed, think SHGB

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No problem, ITZ. I was kinda thinking of several things. Var’s high AR binding would be great for helping lean you out while increasing strength. Then kick the Winny in to aid in SHBG control towards the end and continue with the lean hard look.

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[quote]xXDevilDogXx wrote:
No problem, ITZ. I was kinda thinking of several things. Var’s high AR binding would be great for helping lean you out while increasing strength. Then kick the Winny in to aid in SHBG control towards the end and continue with the lean hard look.[/quote]

Game: Hey bud, what’s been on with you dude?
Thanks, Yeah I was thinking that SHBG would be better helped at the end and all…glad you brought it up.

DD: Yep, good point on both orals buddy. Thanks.

I’m still up in the air on the gh proto…
It might make more sense to run it at 2-3 iu/day as long as possible, like I did before…I’m confused a bit, a very respected member gave me the advice to go with 5iu eod/postwkout, and I respect this guy enough to just do it verbatim…But the other part is that it would SEEM to me to make a bit more sense going with the lengthier, lower dose…

When it comes right down to it, to be honest, I’ll probably just do it like I was advised, like I said, there aint a whole hell of a lot to play with anyway, and it would give me the fresh perspective of using a higher dose post wkout, to compare to my other protocol I used already…

Yeah?!

Anyway the real meat and potatoes are the AAS in this shabang anywho, so I’m not too concerned with the gh thing, just need to use it up and not waste it.

Thanks guys.

TB

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What did u have surgury on? Because isn’t winny hard on joints?

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[quote]G.I. Joe Galway wrote:
What did u have surgury on? Because isn’t winny hard on joints?[/quote]

I had surgery on my left distal clavicle, where it had hypertrophied from absorbing it’s own calcium/minerals, and was pushing against my ac joint which caused a deep pain to shoot down my tricep, and caused an acute sharp pain right where my clavicle and acromium met. It’s an uncommon disease that a lot of weightlifters/Oly lifters get…

Usually it’s from heavier benching and overhead pressing and either hits you soon or after some years of time…Those movements in particular because of the physics involved in them, can cause microtrauma(fractures) in the distal end of the clavicle where the forces are concentrated, and that initiates the pathology and then it begins reabsorbing it’s own calcium/mineral/bone, and gets larger at the same time. It’s rather hard to diagnose, as was the case with myself, as it appears to be just another minor tear or pull at first…then you try to work through it, etc, and it just doesn’t go away, but gets worse.

It didn’t show on my initial MRI, but rather on the xray where my specialist observed the distal end of the clavicle to be bigger than it should be. The other radiologic “specialist” completely overlooked it and said it was fine…Go figure…lol.

On the winstrol, yeah it sure does…But my joint is now in good shape, and all the musculature is and always was actually solid as a rock. So I’m not too worried about it at the standard 50mg/day dose. Never say never though, and I’ll certainly watch things closely of course.

The only thing that took a hit was my acromioclavicular ligament, superior and/or inferior…One of which had to be cut in order to get in there and buzz down the end of said clavicle. The cool thing is that in the grand scheme of things, that particular ligament isn’t anywhere near the main stability enforcing component on the ac joint. Also, it was put back very expertly, and may well have reattached believe it or not. Especially in light of my initial rehab protocol, of gh and var which ran for about 2 months and a few days.

Anyway, long post there, but it’s hard to explain in a sentence or two, lol.

Thanks for the interest.

For the record, I was in the middle of a DC blast when the shit hit the fan fwtw. Go figure, heavy intense poundages, plus years of lifting, = distal clavicle osteolysis.

I’m sitting pretty good now though, and am quite happy with the surgeon and his skill set. Hope nobody else has to go through this shit though.

TB

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Hi Zone,

Why the heavy aas when you are coming back from a surgery? Does this help recuperation? Winny and var are both heavy androgenic so they will give strength that could lead to tendon overloading. Watch out and don’t go ballistic on the weights. Just a word of caution.

funmetal

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This looks like it is going to be quite entertaining. I’ll be keepin an eye on this thread for sure!

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
As I mentioned somewhere else, I think 2iu ED GH would be better.

I also think you should leave the winstrol and use proviron instead for SHBG control.

Anavar? Yes, lovely throw it in!

BBB[/quote]

GH, Proviron, var…$$$$$ my only reason for just suggesting the winny

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
As I mentioned somewhere else, I think 2iu ED GH would be better.

I also think you should leave the winstrol and use proviron instead for SHBG control.

Anavar? Yes, lovely throw it in!

BBB[/quote]

Hey 3B, lol,

Well, the win is around the bend, and I didn’t have access to proviron, due to some reasons which you might recall, or not…Perhaps I can do something about that, or if not, keep it a bit lower, (25/d) and moniter carefully…

I will give more thought to the 2iu/day, but in fact a more important question on that may well be it’s integrity at this point, lol. 6 months in the fridge now at this point…
Question: Is it to the point that I should begin that protocol immediately, a week or two before the main event?

The var is in fact part of the big picture which concerns the win also…do you recall that? If not I’ll pm you on those details…

Anywho, thanks as always bud…

TB

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[quote]funmetal wrote:
Hi Zone,

Why the heavy aas when you are coming back from a surgery? Does this help recuperation? Winny and var are both heavy androgenic so they will give strength that could lead to tendon overloading. Watch out and don’t go ballistic on the weights. Just a word of caution.

funmetal[/quote]

Fun: Well tbh, I don’t really consider this to be “heavy” necessarily, though it does pack a punch. The punch is coming from the two main components however, not the win and var bro. I’ve plenty of experience with both of these orals, and know how they affect me.

The thing is that the compounds aren’t going to hurt me, the intensity of lifting is where that happens, and I’m no boyscout, and I’ve definitely been around the block and know wtf I’m doing with regard to proper training…
I know damn well to keep taking my time and progress methodically and slowly.

You see, I’ve already been “coming back” from my surgery for 6 months now…during which I was on a very conservative but potent soft tissue assistance cycle of things. So basicly, I’m in the position now to go ahead and “bring it” to a point…Does that make sense now?

If you knew the progress I’ve made you’d understand…I just chose to stay out of the limelight during this time except to keep a small number of friends here in the know…They know the vast progress I’ve made, and the comfort level I’m finally at with everything now that I’ve been so very patient and careful.

That and the surgeon I had is the absolute best in this area and in my particular insurance deal…the guy is tops and does all the most difficult shoulder complications/injuries…Needless to say he took good care of me, and I kept my part of the bargain by being very patient and methodical in the rehab process.

So now it all pays off, as I move on to the next phase.

Anyway, good to hear from you Fun, and don’t worry homeboy, I’m all good here and moving forward dude. And I DO appreciate the words of caution even if it doesn’t seem like it, lol.

Thanks for the comments.

TB

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[quote]Thatguy1083 wrote:
This looks like it is going to be quite entertaining. I’ll be keepin an eye on this thread for sure![/quote]

Thanks!

I hope it entertains or does some good for a few peeps somehow, lol…

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[quote]Game_over wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
As I mentioned somewhere else, I think 2iu ED GH would be better.

I also think you should leave the winstrol and use proviron instead for SHBG control.

Anavar? Yes, lovely throw it in!

BBB

GH, Proviron, var…$$$$$ my only reason for just suggesting the winny [/quote]

Game:
Yep, good points bud…
The G I already had but the rest is just as you depict it Game.
Btw, sent you a pm, did you get it?
TB

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Just to be fully understood here on Fun’s and some of your points guys…

Both Mast and Winstrol work to “dry” one out, this is true. It may seem out of norm to run both, etc, or even at this particularly somewhat high end mast dose for a guy who just had surgery. Yes that is true.

But, here’s where I’m coming from, I have been rehabbing for 6 months now, and Test, whether it’s P,E,Cyp, whatever, hits me more “wet” than the average guy, so having said all that…

I feel strongly that I will indeed be able to control my E levels/joint comfort, without going too dry, by simply having my two main compounds at their respective ratios, because of this extra Test sensitivity, and feel very comfortable with using win also to help E control, and can then manage my AI at a lower dose than would be needed had I not used those two aforementioned compounds,(Mast/Winstrol), at the doses I have chosen to do so with.

So, there’s rhyme to the reason is what I’m trying to say.

All valid and good points/concerns though, and I respect them.

TB

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Good luck man

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Good luck man [/quote]

Thanks Bone.

Ok gentlemen, they’re off!!

Be around guys, miles of smiles to go!