[quote]SexMachine wrote:
A recent poll in France showed that 16% of French citizens support ISIS.[/quote]
7% of Americans think the moonlanding was faked and 14% believe in Bigfoot. All these numbers are disturbing but not enough to nuke France, unfortunately.
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There’s a big difference in believing in some whacky conspiracy theory and professing support for IS.
“France’s far-right National Front ‘is at the gates of power’, the country’s Socialist Prime Minister has admitted.”
I have no idea what to expect from Le Pen and the National Front. The French right have always been weird - NF changing its policies every other week, the Nouvelle Droite flirting with the hard left and batshit like paganism. Even the old Gaullists were always weird too.
Edit: interesting interview with British revolutionary conservative Jonathan Bowden that talks about the far-left/far-right overlap a bit:
Not much.
And i’m not even speaking about their political orientations. I’m speaking about their raw (lack of) competencies.
The National Front is an electoral machine. Not a governmental one.
They may be at the gates of power, but i don’t think they are ready to govern an ungovernable people like the French.
Historically, the Front is a precarious “entente cordiale” among antagonist currents of our far-right. They are united to win, and only to win.
Their entente will explode the day they will have to actually choose a line, vote a budget, name people, etc.
The people who vote for them do not even vote FOR them. They vote against “the establishment”. And many of them will stop supporting the Front the day after the election.
Not much.
And i’m not even speaking about their political orientations. I’m speaking about their raw (lack of) competencies.
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Yes I know. The Weimar revolutionary conservatives were able to get support from traditional conservatives/monarchists like von Papen and a senile Hindenburg. Then they wiped out the riff raff in their ranks(SA) and made a deal with industrialists and the General Staff. The conditions are simply not in place for such a thing today.
From what I understand they can’t even agree on immigration. A small faction of the European far-right wants to seek an alliance with Islamists. Sounds crazy but the North African vote could conceivably be harnessed by the far-right. Inevitably such an alliance would schism once they gained power and either side could end up at the helm - more than likely the Islamists as they are “true believers” so to speak.
-the North African vote : it’s not only a conceivable possibility. It’s a distinct probability.
Many of my muslims students are in favor the National Front.
They don’t remember or know much about the colonial past. And if they do, they don’t care anymore.
They are seduced by the social promises and the anti-establishment rhetoric of the Front, like the rest of the french youth.
And many of them think : “Now that we’ve entered the country, we should simply close the door behind us”.
In other words : they adopt an anti-immigration stance because they hope it would protect their own asses.
Interestingly enough, many of those who are born here have nothing but contempt for the “bledards”. (derogatory word for “those who are born in the Bled, ie : the Maghreb”).
-the “pro-islamist” position of a small-but-vocal minority of far-right activists.
That’s not as crazy as it sounds.
Those activists and the islamists have a lot in common :
-they are nostalgic about old empires who have been ruined by the american hegemony. They are, first and foremost, anti-american and they share much of the same historical resentment.
-Both are anti-capitalists and anti-communists
-Both are in favor of a very strong executive power, and they want a socially-but-not-economically conservative government.
Anti-americanism
Anti-westernism
Anti-modernism
Add antisemitism to the mix, and it start to “make sense”, so to speak.
And think about it : if you want to advance a socially conservative agenda (things like banninb abortion, opposing gay marriage, ending the welfare state, stopping judicial laxism, fighting criminality, putting women back in the kitchen, etc) ISIS is actually a better bet than another decade of eurocommunism.
Does France/Europe have a right to travel but not a right to work? My French business friend was lamenting a while back that they let stacks of muslim folks into France, but didn’t give them the right to work or issue work visas and this contributed to radicalization. As in, it created a really bad situation and hordes of angry youths. I had this conversation a while back so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Paris and London have been wrecked by the Muslims. These cities are would be foreign to their Grandfathers. A travesty. [/quote]
Even people who grew up in London and Paris 50 years ago don’t say that, so I dunno where you are getting it from.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Does France/Europe have a right to travel but not a right to work? My French business friend was lamenting a while back that they let stacks of muslim folks into France, but didn’t give them the right to work or issue work visas and this contributed to radicalization. As in, it created a really bad situation and hordes of angry youths. I had this conversation a while back so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly. [/quote]
Well there are lots of illegal immigrants in France if that is what your friend meant?
But most of the North Africans are a hangover from when Algeria was part of France. There probably aren’t that many first generation Muslim immigrants in France; just as in Britain there are quite a lot of Muslims, but most are 2nd or 3rd generation (when there was freedom of movement and work within the commonwealth, but not in Europe).
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Paris and London have been wrecked by the Muslims. These cities are would be foreign to their Grandfathers. A travesty. [/quote]
Even people who grew up in London and Paris 50 years ago don’t say that, so I dunno where you are getting it from.[/quote]
Actually they do. My uncle was born in North London during The Second World War. He was a radical leftist - studied at Oxford and hung around with other radical academics. Since 911 he has started to become conservative. He’s waking up to the fact that the ruling class screwed him over. The Muslim population in Britain has doubled in the last ten years. The civil society has been transformed and is in crisis. Mass immigration poses an actual existential threat to the state.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Does France/Europe have a right to travel but not a right to work? My French business friend was lamenting a while back that they let stacks of muslim folks into France, but didn’t give them the right to work or issue work visas and this contributed to radicalization. As in, it created a really bad situation and hordes of angry youths. I had this conversation a while back so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly. [/quote]
Well there are lots of illegal immigrants in France if that is what your friend meant?
But most of the North Africans are a hangover from when Algeria was part of France. There probably aren’t that many first generation Muslim immigrants in France; just as in Britain there are quite a lot of Muslims, but most are 2nd or 3rd generation (when there was freedom of movement and work within the commonwealth, but not in Europe).[/quote]
When France pulled out of Algeria in the 50’s there was a huge influx of Algerians into France. They were Algerians who had sided with French colonial forces and were in danger from the Algerian nationalists. Even though these Algerians were secular and pro-French they radically transformed France.
France had huge problems trying to deal with the numbers and trying to assimilate them. In the last 15 years or so massive numbers of North African illegal migrants have flooded into Europe along with massive numbers of legal migrants from North Africa. Europe has been completely unable to cope with the economic and social problems this has caused.
The first port of call is Italy - they have devastated the country. There’s literally millions of illegal immigrants in Rome alone as well as huge numbers from Europe. There are hundreds of thousands of gypsies living in shanty shacks around the Tiber. Immigration has literally transformed Western and Southern Europe in a single generation. It’s the single biggest problem facing the West today - in fact it’s insurmountable. It’s already too late to reverse.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Does France/Europe have a right to travel but not a right to work? My French business friend was lamenting a while back that they let stacks of muslim folks into France, but didn’t give them the right to work or issue work visas and this contributed to radicalization. As in, it created a really bad situation and hordes of angry youths. I had this conversation a while back so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly. [/quote]
Well there are lots of illegal immigrants in France if that is what your friend meant?
But most of the North Africans are a hangover from when Algeria was part of France. There probably aren’t that many first generation Muslim immigrants in France; just as in Britain there are quite a lot of Muslims, but most are 2nd or 3rd generation (when there was freedom of movement and work within the commonwealth, but not in Europe).[/quote]
When France pulled out of Algeria in the 50’s there was a huge influx of Algerians into France. They were Algerians who had sided with French colonial forces and were in danger from the Algerian nationalists. Even though these Algerians were secular and pro-French they radically transformed France.
France had huge problems trying to deal with the numbers and trying to assimilate them. In the last 15 years or so massive numbers of North African illegal migrants have flooded into Europe along with massive numbers of legal migrants from North Africa. Europe has been completely unable to cope with the economic and social problems this has caused.
The first port of call is Italy - they have devastated the country. There’s literally millions of illegal immigrants in Rome alone as well as huge numbers from Europe. There are hundreds of thousands of gypsies living in shanty shacks around the Tiber. Immigration has literally transformed Western and Southern Europe in a single generation. It’s the single biggest problem facing the West today - in fact it’s insurmountable. It’s already too late to reverse.[/quote]
From what I gather from your posts, you’re a follower of the school of thought epitomized by Samuel P. Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations?
That is correct. Europe is already at the point of no return. Though Marine LePen claims that she’ll reverse that once (not if) she’s in power, but her election will likely trigger a civil war in France.
Quel bordel!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]squatbenchhench wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Does France/Europe have a right to travel but not a right to work? My French business friend was lamenting a while back that they let stacks of muslim folks into France, but didn’t give them the right to work or issue work visas and this contributed to radicalization. As in, it created a really bad situation and hordes of angry youths. I had this conversation a while back so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly. [/quote]
Well there are lots of illegal immigrants in France if that is what your friend meant?
But most of the North Africans are a hangover from when Algeria was part of France. There probably aren’t that many first generation Muslim immigrants in France; just as in Britain there are quite a lot of Muslims, but most are 2nd or 3rd generation (when there was freedom of movement and work within the commonwealth, but not in Europe).[/quote]
When France pulled out of Algeria in the 50’s there was a huge influx of Algerians into France. They were Algerians who had sided with French colonial forces and were in danger from the Algerian nationalists. Even though these Algerians were secular and pro-French they radically transformed France.
France had huge problems trying to deal with the numbers and trying to assimilate them. In the last 15 years or so massive numbers of North African illegal migrants have flooded into Europe along with massive numbers of legal migrants from North Africa. Europe has been completely unable to cope with the economic and social problems this has caused.
The first port of call is Italy - they have devastated the country. There’s literally millions of illegal immigrants in Rome alone as well as huge numbers from Europe. There are hundreds of thousands of gypsies living in shanty shacks around the Tiber. Immigration has literally transformed Western and Southern Europe in a single generation. It’s the single biggest problem facing the West today - in fact it’s insurmountable. It’s already too late to reverse.[/quote]
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Does France/Europe have a right to travel but not a right to work? My French business friend was lamenting a while back that they let stacks of muslim folks into France, but didn’t give them the right to work or issue work visas and this contributed to radicalization. As in, it created a really bad situation and hordes of angry youths. I had this conversation a while back so maybe I’m not remembering it correctly. [/quote]
Well there are lots of illegal immigrants in France if that is what your friend meant?
But most of the North Africans are a hangover from when Algeria was part of France. There probably aren’t that many first generation Muslim immigrants in France; just as in Britain there are quite a lot of Muslims, but most are 2nd or 3rd generation (when there was freedom of movement and work within the commonwealth, but not in Europe).[/quote]
When France pulled out of Algeria in the 50’s there was a huge influx of Algerians into France. They were Algerians who had sided with French colonial forces and were in danger from the Algerian nationalists. Even though these Algerians were secular and pro-French they radically transformed France.
France had huge problems trying to deal with the numbers and trying to assimilate them. In the last 15 years or so massive numbers of North African illegal migrants have flooded into Europe along with massive numbers of legal migrants from North Africa. Europe has been completely unable to cope with the economic and social problems this has caused.
The first port of call is Italy - they have devastated the country. There’s literally millions of illegal immigrants in Rome alone as well as huge numbers from Europe. There are hundreds of thousands of gypsies living in shanty shacks around the Tiber. Immigration has literally transformed Western and Southern Europe in a single generation. It’s the single biggest problem facing the West today - in fact it’s insurmountable. It’s already too late to reverse.[/quote]
From what I gather from your posts, you’re a follower of the school of thought epitomized by Samuel P. Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations? [/quote]