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[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law[/quote]

Yeah that is not happening but OK. Is this the same fox news that said there were no go zones in Birmingham then had to apologise on TV for talking out their ass and admitting they were wrong? This whole thing even being debated is mental.[/quote]

While the FOX news were talking out of their ass as usual, there ARE many no go zones in Europe, Clichy near Paris being the most famous and notorious example.

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Clichy is a poor crime ridden ghetto. It isnā€™t however a no go zone in the way the poster above referenced. They are only no go in the sense that Harlem or Compton are no go zones, basically just unsafe places where people will be victimised by criminals. They are not territory held by Muslims and racist groups who control the area and politically intimidate white people based on religious or racial hatred. Clichy became a trouble spot after police chased a bunch of kids into an electrical power station where they died of electrocution. Tensions had been high for months after numerous incidents of police beating the shit out of people there, specifically very young kids. White french, Africans and other took part in the weeks of riots.

I donā€™t see how this meets the criteria for a no go zone. A good example of a no go zone was the Shankill road during the troubles in Northern Ireland.

For example I am from quite a rough area and I have stayed in London in parts which fox news claimed were no go zones. It wasnā€™t a no go zone, it was simply a scary place for white middle class non street smart people to be, because of general high levels of crime. Not because of an organised Islamist control of the area.

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

Clichy is a poor crime ridden ghetto. It isnā€™t however a no go zone in the way the poster above referenced. They are only no go in the sense that Harlem or Compton are no go zones, basically just unsafe places where people will be victimised by criminals. They are not territory held by Muslims and racist groups who control the area and politically intimidate white people based on religious or racial hatred. Clichy became a trouble spot after police chased a bunch of kids into an electrical power station where they died of electrocution. Tensions had been high for months after numerous incidents of police beating the shit out of people there, specifically very young kids. White french, Africans and other took part in the weeks of riots.

I donā€™t see how this meets the criteria for a no go zone. A good example of a no go zone was the Shankill road during the troubles in Northern Ireland.

For example I am from quite a rough area and I have stayed in London in parts which fox news claimed were no go zones. It wasnā€™t a no go zone, it was simply a scary place for white middle class non street smart people to be, because of general high levels of crime. Not because of an organised Islamist control of the area.
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My mistake, I thought the original poster was referring to no-go zones in general.

However, Iā€™m not so sure about your statement about the lack of racist/religious undertones, especially for French ghettos (banlieues), as it seemed to me that virulent antisemitism is pervasive.

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Here are some articles which spread light on the so-called migrantsā€™ invasion of Europe:

ISIS infiltrating Europe: Even the Pope warns Europeans to beware.

Lebanese education minister Elias Bousaab warns David Cameron that two in every 100 Syrian migrants smuggled into Europe are Islamic State-trained fanatics

Migrants as a weapon of terror:

an older one about fleeing migrants killing Christians en route to Europe:

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
i think muslim extremist are just getting started
but what about the native american indians they lost there whole country to Immigrants
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No they lost their entire country to invaders.

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Rank stupidity.
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Sorry, when did the European colonists go to America as migrants, looking to enter the native population and assimilate? They didnā€™t, they went and took control of the land, took slaves, abused and made war. Comparing the intentions of the European arrivals in the Americas to that of Syrian and Iraqi refugees is incredibly disingenuous.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Here are some articles which spread light on the so-called migrantsā€™ invasion of Europe:

ISIS infiltrating Europe: Even the Pope warns Europeans to beware.

Lebanese education minister Elias Bousaab warns David Cameron that two in every 100 Syrian migrants smuggled into Europe are Islamic State-trained fanatics

Migrants as a weapon of terror:

an older one about fleeing migrants killing Christians en route to Europe:

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Do you not see how utterly idiotic these claims are? There have been more Irish immigrants in England connected/carried out terrorist attacks. If thousands of IS fighters are pouring in why have there been no attacks? Why are all the refugees who live in my area assimilating? where is the terrorism?

Also the idea IS, who are battling on many fronts and are in some cases losing ground, are sending their much needed fighters around the world in the thousands is drivel. This is almost like a contemporary parody of the headlines about Jewish immigration to Europe. One out of every 10 jews is a fifth columnist. Predictably sad.

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
This is a humanitarian crisis and the proper and humane thing for us(Europeans) to do is to take in and help those who are fleeing war, oppression and horror. It is situations like this that test the moral fiber of a nation or in this case an entire continent With many nations. If we fail to help the refugees we fail the moral test. I am glad to see that in my own city(Bergen in Norway) many People are saying they are willing to open up their homes for the refugees.

These People are fleeing from the horrorshow in Syria and Libya, two countrys who where cast into chaos in the aftermath of the interventions in Iraq and Libya. We(Europeans) ergo have a special responsibility to help. Now offcourse I wish that more middle-eastern countryā€™s would help, but even if they dont, does not excuse

Our future course of action regarding this. [/quote]

And how is this going to work out for the European taxpayer? And just how long can Europeans play Santa Claus for the world by supporting millions of people who by and largely despise the European race and European culture?

And these people going to be thankful and assimilate and obtain employment or live for free? I think the latter. If I were fleeing mistreatment in my own country and another welcomed me with open arms, I would literally kiss the damn ground that my host walks on! Iā€™d think, ā€œMy god am I lucky! I better learn to speak the language quick, take night classes to learn it, watch TV with a dictionary in my hands, whatever! Iā€™m going to get employed somehow. Iā€™m going to pay taxes. Iā€™m going to to take on the patriotism of my new country. Iā€™m going to follow THEIR rules! Iā€™m going to take on THEIR culture and THEIR norms! Iā€™m not going to bitch and moan when they donā€™t show an interest in or donā€™t tolerate the ways of my old country! Iā€™m in their house now, and I am going to make this work! Iā€™m not going to meander about the streets like a damn shiftless zombie on the government dole!ā€ This is exactly how my granddad went about things when the USA accepted him. What is an estimated percentage of the modern-day refugees who even think like this? [/quote]

Iraqi refugees have settled in my area, many came over a few years back. Some opened small businesses, some work at the takeawayā€™s and other work in the local shops etc. They are some of the friendliest people I have ever met. They employ some of the locals, pay taxes and take their kids to football on Saturdays.

This notion people fleeing Islamist rule and war want to impose sharia and kill infidels in their new homeland is so far from reality it is laughable. Just like most of the people who came to the U.S from Northern Ireland were not fanatic PIRA supporters who were hell bent on establishing a socialist republic as per the SF platform. They went to work, got jobs, had families.
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The real issue is you may be right but under estimating the number who may actually be extremists. Conversely, others are exaggerating how many have ill intentions. There will be examples and counterexample on both sides to try and prove each other wrong. There is also the case of neutral people who ā€œsupport the causeā€ which you canā€™t get numbers on. If 0.001% of them want to kill infidels and another 1% silently support them, thatā€™s a lot of people to worry about and a lot of innocent people affected by it.

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

Do you not see how utterly idiotic these claims are? [/quote]

No.

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There have been more Irish immigrants in England connected/carried out terrorist attacks. [/quote]

The Irish were fighting to free their country from British rule. ISIS is carrying out an international war of terrorism. No comparison.

Give it some time. Iā€™m sure it will happen. It is happening on a global level already.

Shit, did you see the one Australian Jihadist keyboard warrior was a Jewish kid living in his parentā€™s basement in America?

But how would you know what ISIS is planning,& how they are operating? Care to post a link to back up your claims?

BTW the head of Al-Qaeda just posted a tape calling for terrorist attacks by Muslims living in Europe and America, so the idea is out there, itā€™s not predictably sad in the leastā€¦unless you are calling Ayman al-Zawahiri predictably sad. Desperate to keep himself relevant is more like it.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

Do you not see how utterly idiotic these claims are? [/quote]

No.

You completely ignored my point, more Irish immigrants have been connected to plots/carried out terrorist plots in England than Muslim immigrants, why donā€™t you advocate stopping Irish immigration but focus on Muslim immigration despite the fact more Irish immigrants have committed/supported terrorism in England than Muslim ones?

Could it be an agenda you argue for despite the actual facts?

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law[/quote]

Yeah that is not happening but OK. Is this the same fox news that said there were no go zones in Birmingham then had to apologise on TV for talking out their ass and admitting they were wrong? This whole thing even being debated is mental.[/quote]

While the FOX news were talking out of their ass as usual, there ARE many no go zones in Europe, Clichy near Paris being the most famous and notorious example.

[/quote]

Clichy is a poor crime ridden ghetto. It isnā€™t however a no go zone in the way the poster above referenced. They are only no go in the sense that Harlem or Compton are no go zones, basically just unsafe places where people will be victimised by criminals. They are not territory held by Muslims and racist groups who control the area and politically intimidate white people based on religious or racial hatred. Clichy became a trouble spot after police chased a bunch of kids into an electrical power station where they died of electrocution. Tensions had been high for months after numerous incidents of police beating the shit out of people there, specifically very young kids. White french, Africans and other took part in the weeks of riots.

I donā€™t see how this meets the criteria for a no go zone. A good example of a no go zone was the Shankill road during the troubles in Northern Ireland.

For example I am from quite a rough area and I have stayed in London in parts which fox news claimed were no go zones. It wasnā€™t a no go zone, it was simply a scary place for white middle class non street smart people to be, because of general high levels of crime. Not because of an organised Islamist control of the area.
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I would say after a run-in with the Religious Police you would say otherwise.

London is a cesspool. The immigrants have destroyed that once-great city. In 20 years it will be a no-go city for infidels. Anyone in favor of refugees, please look at London.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law[/quote]

Yeah that is not happening but OK. Is this the same fox news that said there were no go zones in Birmingham then had to apologise on TV for talking out their ass and admitting they were wrong? This whole thing even being debated is mental.[/quote]

While the FOX news were talking out of their ass as usual, there ARE many no go zones in Europe, Clichy near Paris being the most famous and notorious example.

[/quote]

Clichy is a poor crime ridden ghetto. It isnā€™t however a no go zone in the way the poster above referenced. They are only no go in the sense that Harlem or Compton are no go zones, basically just unsafe places where people will be victimised by criminals. They are not territory held by Muslims and racist groups who control the area and politically intimidate white people based on religious or racial hatred. Clichy became a trouble spot after police chased a bunch of kids into an electrical power station where they died of electrocution. Tensions had been high for months after numerous incidents of police beating the shit out of people there, specifically very young kids. White french, Africans and other took part in the weeks of riots.

I donā€™t see how this meets the criteria for a no go zone. A good example of a no go zone was the Shankill road during the troubles in Northern Ireland.

For example I am from quite a rough area and I have stayed in London in parts which fox news claimed were no go zones. It wasnā€™t a no go zone, it was simply a scary place for white middle class non street smart people to be, because of general high levels of crime. Not because of an organised Islamist control of the area.
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I would say after a run-in with the Religious Police you would say otherwise.

London is a cesspool. The immigrants have destroyed that once-great city. In 20 years it will be a no-go city for infidels. Anyone in favor of refugees, please look at London.
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The BNP said it would be a no go zone for whites in 15 years in 1985. These insanely irrational claims get made every decade, they never come true, because it is based on nonsense.

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German sign on overpass: ā€œyour children will pray to Allah or dieā€.

Compliments of their new refugees.

Wake up Infidels.

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]loppar wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]cavemansam wrote:
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law[/quote]

Yeah that is not happening but OK. Is this the same fox news that said there were no go zones in Birmingham then had to apologise on TV for talking out their ass and admitting they were wrong? This whole thing even being debated is mental.[/quote]

While the FOX news were talking out of their ass as usual, there ARE many no go zones in Europe, Clichy near Paris being the most famous and notorious example.

[/quote]

Clichy is a poor crime ridden ghetto. It isnā€™t however a no go zone in the way the poster above referenced. They are only no go in the sense that Harlem or Compton are no go zones, basically just unsafe places where people will be victimised by criminals. They are not territory held by Muslims and racist groups who control the area and politically intimidate white people based on religious or racial hatred. Clichy became a trouble spot after police chased a bunch of kids into an electrical power station where they died of electrocution. Tensions had been high for months after numerous incidents of police beating the shit out of people there, specifically very young kids. White french, Africans and other took part in the weeks of riots.

I donā€™t see how this meets the criteria for a no go zone. A good example of a no go zone was the Shankill road during the troubles in Northern Ireland.

For example I am from quite a rough area and I have stayed in London in parts which fox news claimed were no go zones. It wasnā€™t a no go zone, it was simply a scary place for white middle class non street smart people to be, because of general high levels of crime. Not because of an organised Islamist control of the area.
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I would say after a run-in with the Religious Police you would say otherwise.

London is a cesspool. The immigrants have destroyed that once-great city. In 20 years it will be a no-go city for infidels. Anyone in favor of refugees, please look at London.
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The BNP said it would be a no go zone for whites in 15 years in 1985. These insanely irrational claims get made every decade, they never come true, because it is based on nonsense.
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Are the sharp demographic shifts nonsense too?

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

Could it be an agenda you argue for despite the actual facts?

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Possibly because the IRA gave up major terrorist operations in 2005 in search of a political solution and the last time I checked ISIS and Al-Qaeda were still operating.

What agenda are you arguing for?

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]idaho wrote:
ā€œThis notion people fleeing Islamist rule and war want to impose sharia and kill infidels in their new homeland is so far from reality it is laughableā€

^^^^^^^^^^^^After fighting/working/training troops in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 10 years, this statement is either incredibly naive, or just plain stupid.

ā€œJust like most of the people who came to the U.S from Northern Ireland were not fanatic PIRA supporters who were hell bent on establishing a socialist republic as per the SF platform. They went to work, got jobs, had familiesā€

^^^^^^^^^ They were not of the Islamic faith. Not a valid example. [/quote]

The same was said of the bog trotting, priest ridden poppery of the Irish and Italian immigrants, who were not considered black and whose loyalty to the vatican was seen to outweigh duty to their new homeland. We saw Irish and Italian immigrants lynched by WASPā€™s. Irish people for a couple generations along with Italian people didnā€™t integrate, just the same as the jews, many had their own courts within communities, this is particularly true for jews today, who choose civil religious courts often times.

Stop being bigoted against Muslims when you wouldnā€™t find it acceptable to do to the Jews, Italians or the Irish. Italian immigrants have been responsible for far more crime than Muslim immigrants to the U.S. Donā€™t let the fact some people are darker and identify as muslims let you act like a WASP did to Italians and jews and the irish 100 years ago.
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Yeah, okā€¦when all else fails play the racist card, its your only fallback. Have a nice day.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
German sign on overpass: ā€œyour children will pray to Allah or dieā€.

Compliments of their new refugees.

Wake up Infidels.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/german-highway-banner-your-children-will-pray-to-allah-or-die[/quote]

So Jihad watch, that reputable media source, shows a banner that could of been put up by anyone ( we have seen far right activists do this sort of thing before in Germany) and that is evidence of some grand muslim trojan horse conspiracy?

Do you by any chance like Alex Jones?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

Could it be an agenda you argue for despite the actual facts?

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Possibly because the IRA gave up major terrorist operations in 2005 in search of a political solution and the last time I checked ISIS and Al-Qaeda were still operating.

What agenda are you arguing for?[/quote]

There are several active irish terror groups still operating, one of them being the group who killed 30 people in a pub including American children. These groups killed soldiers a couple years ago and have planted hundreds of bombs around Belfast and Derry.

They also do business with Islamic extremists, acquiring their small arms and explosives from Jihadist groups and ex war criminals in the Balkans. They are also allied and have shared arms and training with Palestinian terror groups and Colombian terrorist group FARC. They accumulate the majority of their finances through large scale drug trafficking.

And the PIRA, supposedly decommissioned recently murdered someone in Belfast which has caused Stormont government to collapse. So you were saying?

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
German sign on overpass: ā€œyour children will pray to Allah or dieā€.

Compliments of their new refugees.

Wake up Infidels.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/german-highway-banner-your-children-will-pray-to-allah-or-die[/quote]

So Jihad watch, that reputable media source, shows a banner that could of been put up by anyone ( we have seen far right activists do this sort of thing before in Germany) and that is evidence of some grand muslim trojan horse conspiracy?

Do you by any chance like Alex Jones?[/quote]

Your probably right. The Muslims are far too peaceful and tolerant to believe that.

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[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

There are several active irish terror groups still operating, one of them being the group who killed 30 people in a pub including American children. These groups killed soldiers a couple years ago and have planted hundreds of bombs around Belfast and Derry.

They also do business with Islamic extremists, acquiring their small arms and explosives from Jihadist groups and ex war criminals in the Balkans. They are also allied and have shared arms and training with Palestinian terror groups and Colombian terrorist group FARC. They accumulate the majority of their finances through large scale drug trafficking.

And the PIRA, supposedly decommissioned recently murdered someone in Belfast which has caused Stormont government to collapse. So you were saying?[/quote]

This:

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:

[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:

There are several active irish terror groups still operating, one of them being the group who killed 30 people in a pub including American children. These groups killed soldiers a couple years ago and have planted hundreds of bombs around Belfast and Derry.

They also do business with Islamic extremists, acquiring their small arms and explosives from Jihadist groups and ex war criminals in the Balkans. They are also allied and have shared arms and training with Palestinian terror groups and Colombian terrorist group FARC. They accumulate the majority of their finances through large scale drug trafficking.

And the PIRA, supposedly decommissioned recently murdered someone in Belfast which has caused Stormont government to collapse. So you were saying?[/quote]

This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks[/quote]

Irish immigrants have committed more terrorist attacks in England than Muslim immigrants. So why do you think muslim immigration should be stopped but not Irish immigration? In fact you not only ignored this discrepancy in your policy advocacy, but you then basically condoned Irish terrorism, which includes bombing a veterans remembrance day parade for ww2 vets, bombing pubs which killed civillians, bombing places which killed children, including American citizens. Seems quite odd to be so against Islamic terrorism but staunchly defending Irish terrorism.

Does this in some way point to an agenda?