which side of issue
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
;;;;If they wanted to fight the infidel they would join ISIS, Al Nusra or Islamic Jihad, who are forcing men under their territorial control into their ranks. Instead they spent their life savings to escape ISIS, Al Nusra and Islamic Jihad to come to western democracies.;;;;
Many are Muslim, many are Christian, many are minority religions, some are athiests.
the western infidels in mideast tend to carry GUNS lots of GUNS and for the most part know how to use GUNS however alot of western european countries have lots of soft targets [lone wolf attacks anyone]
alot of people think muslim extremist are stupid,you overwhelm your target anyway you can strech his resources how many refugees are real and how many are loyal jihadist??[/quote]
As this screenshot shows, your arguments are exactly the same as WASP rhetoric about German, Irish and Italian immigrants in the 1850ās. The lynching of immigrants and widespread attacks and repression of them hinged on the rhetoric you are employing about muslim immigrants.
Guess what, those immigrants are now completely assimilated into America.
ask native american indians about Immigrants from the european countries
my grandparents[father side] grew up in germany, during the thirties they realized things didnt look good for germany and came to the us
i have nothing against immigration when it is done in a controled manner however when you throw that many people out of a country with religious extremism you are just asking for trouble
but why are these people not going to saudi ,uae or iran ,china ?
i use to work in a chinese restaurant owned by a Vietnamese couple
the husband said in veitnam the woman always walked behind the man
the wife said in america the woman walks behind the man with a big stick
love our culture
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
ask native american indians about Immigrants from the european countries
my grandparents[father side] grew up in germany, during the thirties they realized things didnt look good for germany and came to the us
i have nothing against immigration when it is done in a controled manner however when you throw that many people out of a country with religious extremism you are just asking for trouble
but why are these people not going to saudi ,uae or iran ,china ?[/quote]
Some German immigrants had extremely racist political identities. That does not mean we stop and scaremonger about German immigration. Same as we shouldnāt reject refugees, from a civil war, that came about due to our invasion, because a tiny minority might hold crazy views.
What you are saying about these people is what was said by white Americans about German, Italian and Irish immigrants. It is based on an irrational fear that all these people are secretly Jihadists who want to kill us.
As my experience living amongst immigrants has shown, this is dumb, it lacks any basis in reality. If they wanted to live under Sharia and kill infidels they would embrace IS, not risk their lives and spend their life saving to escape IS.
These are not your great-grandfatherās immigrants.
They came to join a nation.
This Marauding Horde seeks to change a nation.
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
ask native american indians about Immigrants from the european countries
my grandparents[father side] grew up in germany, during the thirties they realized things didnt look good for germany and came to the us
i have nothing against immigration when it is done in a controled manner however when you throw that many people out of a country with religious extremism you are just asking for trouble
but why are these people not going to saudi ,uae or iran ,china ?[/quote]
Some German immigrants had extremely racist political identities. That does not mean we stop and scaremonger about German immigration. Same as we shouldnāt reject refugees, from a civil war, that came about due to our invasion, because a tiny minority might hold crazy views.
What you are saying about these people is what was said by white Americans about German, Italian and Irish immigrants. It is based on an irrational fear that all these people are secretly Jihadists who want to kill us.
As my experience living amongst immigrants has shown, this is dumb, it lacks any basis in reality. If they wanted to live under Sharia and kill infidels they would embrace IS, not risk their lives and spend their life saving to escape IS.[/quote]
Naive to the core.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
These are not your great-grandfatherās immigrants.
They came to join a nation.
This Marauding Horde seeks to change a nation. [/quote]
The Iraq immigrants who live where I do came to join a nation, they pax their taxes, they work, they take their kids to football. They didnāt come to topple a nation. Just like Americans who were ranting and raving about Jewish trojan horses claimed jews were here to subvert and control, the modern day equivelents are claiming the muslims are coming here to destroy us.
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
;;;;If they wanted to fight the infidel they would join ISIS, Al Nusra or Islamic Jihad, who are forcing men under their territorial control into their ranks. Instead they spent their life savings to escape ISIS, Al Nusra and Islamic Jihad to come to western democracies.;;;;
Many are Muslim, many are Christian, many are minority religions, some are athiests.
the western infidels in mideast tend to carry GUNS lots of GUNS and for the most part know how to use GUNS however alot of western european countries have lots of soft targets [lone wolf attacks anyone]
alot of people think muslim extremist are stupid,you overwhelm your target anyway you can strech his resources how many refugees are real and how many are loyal jihadist??[/quote]
Since the 90ās Irish terrorism has killed far more than Muslim terrorism in the UK. MI5 in 2008 said the biggest national security threat was from republican splinter groups than Islamic terrorism. More Irish immigrants in England have committed terrorist acts than Muslim immigrants have.
So why single out muslims?
i think muslim extremist are just getting started
but what about the native american indians they lost there whole country to Immigrants
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
i think muslim extremist are just getting started
but what about the native american indians they lost there whole country to Immigrants
[/quote]
No they lost their entire country to invaders. The English and Dutch and French didnāt come to the U.S to assimilate and work in common with native tribes, they came, took slaves, demanded goal and colonised. A better example would be the jewish immigration into Palestine. But even then they didnāt go to become part of Palestine, they wanted to create a state, they were given one by the British despite the wishes of the native population.
However Muslims coming here are not trying to establish a state, they have no power to do so even if they did. The comparison is ridiculous.
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
i think muslim extremist are just getting started
but what about the native american indians they lost there whole country to Immigrants
[/quote]
Not arguing with you but there were/are multiple native american tribes/nations ā¦ not one dominated the whole country with, maybe, the exception of the Incan empire (Peru and parts of Chile I believe), which was still a collective of smaller tribes dominated by one more powerful one (the Inca ā¦ even when Pizarro landed, the Inca empire was in the midst of a civil war, without which, Pizarro most likely would have had his ass handed to him quickly). So, yes, they lost their countries to foreigners, but, depending on the timeline and what you consider foreign, that wasnāt a new thing for native Americans (as with the rest of the world).
i work with a woman who was born and raised in somalia moved to this country
she is muslim she is not very book smart but she is very intelligent she speaks english like she was born here
she believes the extremist are crazy people[her words] one day she had a flat tire on her car i changed it for her she thanked me
next day she said her husband [muslim] told her make sure to thank me for changeing the tire
from what i have read most muslims are like this, when she slips i tell her stop acting like a Christian
However Muslims coming here are not trying to establish a state,
been to ohio or mminisota lately?
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
However Muslims coming here are not trying to establish a state,
been to ohio or mminisota lately?[/quote]
You mean the Ohio which is part of the united states of America? Yeah that isnāt a muslim state. You been to new York? 19 million jews, are they creating a Jewish state? 2.6 million muslims in Ohio for contrast.
my brother was living in Michigan when i went to vist him the map was not clear on one of the turns
he tells me turn left at the mosque i said what if i miss it he says you wont he wasnt kidding
you seem like you are hung up on acouple of terms
but if you follow news in england and us there is a push for sharia law where muslims would be accountable to sharia law and not to us or english law
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
my brother was living in Michigan when i went to vist him the map was not clear on one of the turns
he tells me turn left at the mosque i said what if i miss it he says you wont he wasnt kidding
you seem like you are hung up on acouple of terms
but if you follow news in england and us there is a push for sharia law where muslims would be accountable to sharia law and not to us or english law[/quote]
No muslims use muslim civil courts, this if for settling disputes, this does not mean for criminal court! We have jewish civil courts the orthodox jews use too. This isnāt a push for Sharia, bloody hell dude.
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law[/quote]
Yeah that is not happening but OK. Is this the same fox news that said there were no go zones in Birmingham then had to apologise on TV for talking out their ass and admitting they were wrong? This whole thing even being debated is mental.
[quote]DBADNB1 wrote:
[quote]cavemansam wrote:
go back and check news services bbc ,rt, fox,cnn, whoever the articles basicly say the same thing the push is for muslims to follow sharia law not us or english law[/quote]
Yeah that is not happening but OK. Is this the same fox news that said there were no go zones in Birmingham then had to apologise on TV for talking out their ass and admitting they were wrong? This whole thing even being debated is mental.[/quote]
While the FOX news were talking out of their ass as usual, there ARE many no go zones in Europe, Clichy near Paris being the most famous and notorious example.