Recent Thoughts

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
In such instances no one cares how great an artist you are if you’re difficult to work with,
S[/quote]

Eh, the business world is the complete opposite.

Most places will tolerate the fact someone is a total DBag 24/7 365, if the results of their efforts benefit the company. In fact, these people (DBags who get good results) tend to be very well compensated as well.

Every place needs finders, minders and grinders. Grinders tend to be total shit shows to work with, but very valuable to the firm. So you stick them in a corner, find some mid level talent that can deal with them, and allow the middle man to mitigate the annoyance of the rest of the company…

Off topic I know, but this is GAL after all. [/quote]

Pretty on point beans. In the business envoirnment the only thing that really matters is your personal effect on the bottom line. All exmployees are expenses, those in revenue generating positions have the ability to easily increase or prove their ROI and show themselves to be a financial asset if their cost is less than their increase or impact to EBITA. The greater the asset you are, the more of an asshole you can be and it doesnt matter.

That being said, rainmakers are usually d-bags because they can be. People in finance, operations, service or management positions etc have alot less room for error because they have a harder time creating a positive roi on their postion, or are basically just overhead.
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I have an office but the door stays shut. My only human interaction at this job is a short weekly face to face with my manager, and a weekly status conference call with my team. No other meetings, no other conversations, and only a few relevant emails here and there. The status meetings are truly “what have you been working on”, not “here’s what you should be doing”.

So I pretty much do my own thing, they pay me well, and I’m left alone. I get some basic direction in terms of what we’re building, product-wise, but everything else is up to me.

I wonder if that means I’m an asshole or a douchebag… based on the way you guys wrote that up there.

But I’m congenial and agreeable and cooperative and all that jazz too. I just don’t actually need to interact with people most of the time.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Okay guys, I heard what a mess of a thread occurred earlier today (Wed) from my conversations with Skynett and about how I’ve been feeling that the overall quality and especially the reputation of this site have dropped quite a bit. So let me just make a couple of statements here, and then leave it at that.

First, I have been on this site for over a decade. In that time, I’ve always had a certain image in my mind of what it represented to me. Yes, the forums themselves are the product of many many contributors, but overall, this site filled a certain role for me. I had one online site I would go to for my ‘fluff’ pieces on the latest celebrity to get into shape, one site I would go to in order to get results and discussions on the latest contests, and then I had T-Nation, the site where I could engage in intelligent discussion with serious trainers from different backgrounds and with their own opinions.

As I progressed in my own development, and was given a couple of ‘thank you perks’ by the higher ups for (as they put it) mentoring the newbs and more inexperienced T-folks, I was truly proud to be associated with the site. I puffed out my chest wearing either my Biotest or Testosterone T-shirts at contests, in a few of my training videos, heck, at any opportunity.

Well, in the last couple of years, I’ve started taking notice of just how this site is regarded elsewhere, on the internet, as well as among the other competitors in the sport. To be completely honest, I wasn’t really happy with what I heard. Now, I’m not going to get into particulars of why I feel things have taken a dip, but I will say that I’d love nothing more than for things to improve. I’ve written in many threads before that there are a serious number of people currently on here that are not only highly intelligent, but have educational credentials and real world accomplishments that allow for some truly high end discussions and sharing of information.

For the record, my issues were that as a WNBF Pro, as well as a coach, I try to keep an eye on my reputation. I’ve had videos and articles about me on several different sites as well as in magazines. I’ve even been offered monthly columns elsewhere. What I didn’t realize when I started out, was that as a successful competitor I have essentially become my own product. With all the BS flying around here lately, it made me realize that it was probably not the best place for my product to be associated with. Hopefully we can take steps to remedy this.

I had no intention of bringing more ‘drama’, or making a scene instead of just hitting the ignore button on certain posters. That really does nothing to address problems, it just hides them. All I can do at the end of the day is worry about me. If my considering taking a leave is enough to get some people’s panties in a bunch, so be it. If other people don’t care, just as well. Personally, I’d rather hope that we can get back to the days when TN was regarded as the place where the smart gym rats hung out. A site that I honestly cared about sporting their logos on my chest when I walked into the gym each afternoon to test my mettle.

S[/quote]

You’re a good guy Stu. I quite frankly do not care what peoples impression is of T-Nation. I like it here. I have good conversations here and I have met good people here, so that’s all that matters to me.
Training wise, this industry moves slowly. It’s hard to be cutting edge at all moments, but historically this site has been the most cutting edge and has made me rethink my training over and over again.

I quite frankly don’t care if anybody agrees or not, but between Waterbury and Poloquin, nobody has been more revolutionary with regards to training than those guys. I have learned several things. Hard doesn’t equal effective. Do what works, leave the rest out. There is a fine line between forcing adaptation and causing your physiology to shut down. Lifting more will always be better than lifting less for reps. Cardio is a high effort low result methodology, etc.
All that I learned here, way before anybody else caught on.

There are only a couple of things that hairlip me about this site. The name change. I much prefer ‘testosterone.net’ to ‘T-Nation’. And the stoned silence with regards to what happened to PM’s. I quite frankly don’t understand the latter, with no explanation.

Anyway, I always welcome your insight. Your successes make you a valuable resource, because while some claim to know what they are talking about, you compete at a high level with success and it’s clear you know what you are talking about.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Eh, the business world is the complete opposite.

Most places will tolerate the fact someone is a total DBag 24/7 365, if the results of their efforts benefit the company. In fact, these people (DBags who get good results) tend to be very well compensated as well.

Every place needs finders, minders and grinders. Grinders tend to be total shit shows to work with, but very valuable to the firm. So you stick them in a corner, find some mid level talent that can deal with them, and allow the middle man to mitigate the annoyance of the rest of the company…

Off topic I know, but this is GAL after all. [/quote]

I completely understand your point. However for an online web site that is composed of forum traffic and resultant supplement sales, a less than great reputation and a constant stream of posters fleeing elsewhere online ready to complain about the same specific issues can’t possibly be seen as a positive. IMO I don’t see how that could even slightly serve to “benefit the company”

While I can’t speak for the countless people who have left in recent years (many of whom I truly respected and thought had a huge impact on the quality of the forums), I certainly know what drove me to the point where I was just about to throw my hands up and say the hell with it. And this is despite my very long association here and admitted special treatment from time to time.

S[/quote]

Yeah, I should have been more clear that what I was talking about doesn’t really apply to the actual subject matter of your larger post and point.

lol, my B.

When I was researching lifting a few years ago, trying to sort everything out, the results on TNation were the most thorough, intelligent, non-BS answers to my questions. For every question I plugged into google, there were a bunch of “latest workout program” results, and a bunch of threads on various forums. Almost every single TNation result delivered quality information. That’s what led me here.

Now, I wouldn’t consider this place particularly “friendly” to anyone at the get-go. (It seems to be better now, but that could just be my perspective changing.) But if you can deal with being told your workout program sucks, that you haven’t made as much progress as you thought, that you have your priorities wrong, that your diet is absolutely horrendous… and you can look past that and learn something, this site has plenty to offer.

What I also like is that there’s an evolving knowledge base on this site, among the posters. While everyone has a different approach, and their own opinions, there’s a lot of overlap and common approaches that seem common sense to most everyone on this site, but that are clearly not common knowledge when you look elsewhere. There’s a lot of active learning going on here as people try new things and share what worked and didn’t work. I think this is incredibly valuable.

What I don’t like is when people make assertions and are unwilling to explain or back them up. I have no problem with someone justifying something by saying “oh, I don’t know why it works, but it worked for me”. I don’t mind using faulty reasoning and bro-science to back something up; at least there’s an attempt at discussion. But when someone refuses to have a discussion at all, that’s what rubs me wrong.

There’s room for all

Anyone remember meganewb from this forum (George leeman) the kid who became ultra strong? Gives massive respect to ‘the unnamable one’ and that’s not the only one I’ve read over the years

Let’s keep perspective and recognise there’s room, and value, for and from many diverse people on the forum

As much as we can conduct ourselves better at times we can also live and let live all the time

I am fairly selective of the threads I join in on now a days and I seem to avoid about 99% of the “shit storm” threads… You cannot imagine how much TIME this saves me from when I would read seemingly all the threads. Also… I exit promptly when I see the shit storm a’ brewing. Its tough to do at first… You want to go back there and give everyone a piece of your mind because damnit, someone on the internet was wrong and THAT CANNOT STAND!!!

Its pretty easy to do though, and I can teach you how to do it in my new members only, limited time offer eBook “One weird trick to avoid getting frustrated on T-Nation.”. Act fast thought, because after this month my investors are making me increase the LOW, LOW price I made them agree to in our contract. on $48. Let me know brother, you know I would never steer you wrong. Act now and I’ll throw in my 8 bonus books that industry insiders hate me for writing.

Thanks for the thread Stu, you are one of the most helpful and polite posters I have seen on the internets.

I also took your advice to not engage posters that annoy me and I can tell you it feels a lot better on here to me.

This thread as an example…is cordial and solid.

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I am fairly selective of the threads I join in on now a days and I seem to avoid about 99% of the “shit storm” threads… You cannot imagine how much TIME this saves me from when I would read seemingly all the threads. Also… I exit promptly when I see the shit storm a’ brewing. Its tough to do at first… You want to go back there and give everyone a piece of your mind because damnit, someone on the internet was wrong and THAT CANNOT STAND!!!

Its pretty easy to do though, and I can teach you how to do it in my new members only, limited time offer eBook “One weird trick to avoid getting frustrated on T-Nation.”. Act fast thought, because after this month my investors are making me increase the LOW, LOW price I made them agree to in our contract. on $48. Let me know brother, you know I would never steer you wrong. Act now and I’ll throw in my 8 bonus books that industry insiders hate me for writing.[/quote]

Have you ever read this?

articles.elitefts.com/business/under-the-bar-–-rumor-mill/

It should probably be stickied at the top of the forums where the shitstorms occur like tornado alley.

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]comus3 wrote:
People are not polite on the internet and that prevents many threads from getting to a helpful place. That and everyone likes to be funny/cool and that may not translate to the forum medium. I don’t have an answer for either. Better Mods? or no “off topic” forums? and then the unhelpful without manners or humor that is actually humorous may fade away? Split the site into supplements and training forums and a maxim/esquire/cracked kind of thing? I don’t know.[/quote]

Better mods? So you want more censorship? [/quote]

It’s a business and it might improve the product. I don’t have an answer, just my opinion

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]poophead wrote:

So are we to assume PX took a break from this place or was asked to take a leave of absence for awhile?[/quote]

Not sure it matters. Let’s just enjoy the result. [/quote]

Is there really a need to be a dick about it?

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yes.
PX chased away some of our coolest, most knowledgeable posters. I can go on and on but this is Stu’s thread. stu is the man

[quote]CircaThursday wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]poophead wrote:

So are we to assume PX took a break from this place or was asked to take a leave of absence for awhile?[/quote]

Not sure it matters. Let’s just enjoy the result. [/quote]

Is there really a need to be a dick about it?

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yes.
PX chased away some of our coolest, most knowledgeable posters. I can go on and on but this is Stu’s thread. stu is the man[/quote]
Did they ( the set of posters you consider cool etc ) tell you that? I can see a new myth developing with a handy scapegoat

Have you been on other forums where some ex t posters ended up? Its a different story. Do you know that some very ‘big name’ posters were banned?

Most just drift away. Look at old threads and note the average timescale for a poster is a 2 or 3 years or less

That’s why it’s best not to scapegoat someone and to adopt a more live and live attitude about a forum you like

[quote]gswork wrote:

[quote]CircaThursday wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]poophead wrote:

So are we to assume PX took a break from this place or was asked to take a leave of absence for awhile?[/quote]

Not sure it matters. Let’s just enjoy the result. [/quote]

Is there really a need to be a dick about it?

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yes.
PX chased away some of our coolest, most knowledgeable posters. I can go on and on but this is Stu’s thread. stu is the man[/quote]
Did they ( the set of posters you consider cool etc ) tell you that? I can see a new myth developing with a handy scapegoat

Have you been on other forums where some ex t posters ended up? Its a different story. Do you know that some very ‘big name’ posters were banned?

Most just drift away. Look at old threads and note the average timescale for a poster is a 2 or 3 years or less

That’s why it’s best not to scapegoat someone and to adopt a more live and live attitude about a forum you like[/quote]

I am fairly certain douchey newer members have chased away far more veterans than X has. That and changes to the site.

[quote]CircaThursday wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]poophead wrote:

So are we to assume PX took a break from this place or was asked to take a leave of absence for awhile?[/quote]

Not sure it matters. Let’s just enjoy the result. [/quote]

Is there really a need to be a dick about it?

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yes.
PX chased away some of our coolest, most knowledgeable posters. I can go on and on but this is Stu’s thread. stu is the man[/quote]

It seems as if you are using Stu’s thread for your own personal agenda against a poster. If you think Stu is the man, as you put it, why don’t you respect his wishes and stop singling out specific members of the forum.

For crying out loud, can we not turn this into another Professor X thread?
Seriously.
GTFO with that crap.
If you want to talk about how bad that guy sucks then bump the I Hate Prof X thread or the Prof X Meme thread and bash away.
This thread is about Stu staying and what he/WE ALL can do to improve this site.

First and foremost, not turning every single thread into a PX thread is step 1 IMO.
When he was here (RIP ProfX) e would do it by using himself as an example every single time and now that he’s not posting you all are doing it for him.

For the love of all that is good in this world stop.
You want to talk crap about him or vent or just laugh about it then go bump either of those treads.
The PX meme thread is particularly entertaining I will admit.

This goes for the haters and the white knight defenders.

Step 2 - stop mentioning his name.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Step 2 - stop mentioning his name. [/quote]

Who’s name?

;-)[/quote]

Your a quick learner grasshopper

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Step 2 - stop mentioning his name. [/quote]
I’m not exactly sure how to take your post so ill just leave it at this:
Saying things like “a certain poster” is no different, please don’t act like it is.
Everyone knows who is being talked about.
I’m saying just stop talking about it in this thread at all.
Go elsewhere for that.

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Step 2 - stop mentioning his name. [/quote]
I’m not exactly sure how to take your post so ill just leave it at this:
Saying things like “a certain poster” is no different, please don’t act like it is.
Everyone knows who is being talked about.
I’m saying just stop talking about it in this thread at all.
Go elsewhere for that.[/quote]

Take it like me being a ball buster, just as I took your as being high and mighty. I will also say that I was trying to deter a poster from derailing the thread as well

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Step 2 - stop mentioning his name. [/quote]
I’m not exactly sure how to take your post so ill just leave it at this:
Saying things like “a certain poster” is no different, please don’t act like it is.
Everyone knows who is being talked about.
I’m saying just stop talking about it in this thread at all.
Go elsewhere for that.[/quote]

Take it like me being a ball buster, just as I took your as being high and mighty. I will also say that I was trying to deter a poster from derailing the thread as well [/quote]
High and mighty?
Come on Matty.
I’ve gotten into it with him as much as anyone but I thought this thread was about turning over a new leaf and moving on?
That’s why I was saying we all move on and stop talking about X like LankyMofo (I think it was him?) suggested.