Really bad knock knees : need loads of help

I’ve just woken up- had really bad sleep last night, and my left knee is really pulling inwards.

I appreciate all the background. If I may offer just a bit of advice, to help folks help, it would be to break up your posts into paragraphs. Many (most?) of us are reading this on a cell phone in between other things - some of your posts it’s a little hard to distinguish questions from context.

@j4gga2 is asking what I’m also wondering: you may be overly worried.

In any case, he’s the one that can help suggest any necessary focused work.

From what I read, my suggestion would really just be consistency and focus. You mention you tend to fall off the wagon when things aren’t all running together: do you have an eating and training plan you can just execute day in and day out? That will clean up a ton, and minimize variables so we can ID any real issues.

Similarly, on the focus front, we see this a lot with posture. A trainer will have bad APT, for instance, and try to work on it with 10 minutes of prehab before they lift every day (or 45 minutes of prehab and then they start hating/ skipping the gym, but that’s another story). That’s all well and good, but if they spend another 16 hours a day standing around with lazy posture, that work won’t do anything because most of their day is spent reinforcing the “bad” position. If we can focus on reinforcing the desired positions most of the time, you’ll end up strengthening the right muscles and it will become more automatic.

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Thanks guys, fantastic advice; I think you’re absolute right actually – I have also been reinforcing bad posture through the day by being slumped over, hunchback, I really need to dial in my lifestyle, and get an exercise routine up and running again and I need to be far more consistent. And I definitely need to do hip thrusts and kettlebell swings for my glutes. But just to show where I am now – and thankfully it’s not anything like patellofemoral pain so I’m very grateful for that, and there is no pain in walking, except sometimes a transitory pulling on the kneecaps, but I think that’s tightness more than anything else. I think I just need to dial in my lifestyle and hopefully get a good lifting routine going again. I’ll think of this as another day zero before I’ve started a serious block of training - as Tony Gentilcore says “I’m training for life“ . I may have given the impression of being overly worried because I’ve got into the nitty-gritty of it but thankfully it’s not a debilitating injury yet. I just need to work out consistently and get back to where I was, and hopefully go beyond that.

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Sorry for the cursing in the video, but I was…. Struggling….:joy::unamused_face:

So to really summarise that’s what I need to do – I need to get a clear training and eating plan that I can execute day in and day out . That’s exactly what I need to do. I think; many many thanks :folded_hands:

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I think this is all great advice, but at a certain point I need to start actually doing serious exercise again, because this could become paralysis by analysis. But provided I actually execute and act, I think this is a good balance so thanks everyone. But just my last video to show my de- exercised state at the moment, and I think if it’s not too presumptuous, I’ll start a training log; thanks guys even this, for me is a huge leap, thanks for helping me get my feet wet in the water.

Again, sorry for the cursing guys, last video I’ll try a double rack KB walk. And hopefully we can see my pathetic- ness! :joy: in all its glory. But this is thankfully getting me used to the forums, and I think I’ll start a training log- this is Day 0 : ‘ the start of my stupidity! :joy:

Very tongue in cheek, if I say I want to be the next Eddie Hall (!) or Dorian Yates , I don’t think that will end well at all!

Just for another perspective, and angle here’s kb deadlifts:

I hope this gives more of a rounded perspective. I don’t really want to monopolise the threads. Thank you everyone for your help. And this is just to show where I am at the moment on what I’m calling day zero. And hopefully I can shift to the training logs, and have a good long innings, :cricket_game: with all your help and best wishes. I’m beyond great for this website and all the fantastic people in these forums with all their fantastic advice and the very knowledgeable articles :folded_hands:

this is just to show the aftermath of what happens, especially now in my very de- trained state. I think as well as other things I need to really stretch my hamstrings and again is it that I can’t really straighten my left leg? :leg: and why when I’m just standing? This is all the information I can think of, but I think the advice may well be a variation of I need to develop a intelligent exercise and nutrition plan and get my lifestyle in order.

Assuming that the knee straightening deficit came on gradually, and you haven’t since consistently done the work to reverse it, I think this could be the case.

I really appreciate the efforts you’ve made to give us a variety of angles. Unfortuantely, all of the videos are very difficult to glean useful information from. Could you please find a camera set up where:

  • The camera is positioned horizontally at around waist-height to prevent any parallax error
  • You are far away enough from the camera that your entire body is in the frame.

With this set up could you please perform double leg squats with bodyweight and an 18kg kettlebell. Under both conditions please perform 5 “relaxed” reps with no attempt to control technique, and 5 “pristine” reps where you perform what you perceive as perfect technique. Could you also perform a walk toward and away from the camera.

I notice in a lot of the clips you stand in a quarter squat and push your knees in & out. What I’m not understanding is whether your knees passively come inwards without voluntary effort, or if you’re actively trying to pull them together and push them apart to demonstrate the overall “magnitude” (or excursion) of knee collapse.

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Fantastic. All this really helps- from the first point where to position the camera, I don’t know if I have a high enough table to position at waist height, but I’ll try.

Because I’m hideously de- trained, haven’t exercised seriously since moving into the flat one and a half months ago, now my squat pattern has completely gone, and I think because my hips are super tight I can only get into a quarter squat and my knees coming together, come together naturally, but I noticed that it’s even more pronounced and the knock knee effect looks worse, especially right after, I do the squat or farmers walks, and the deadlifts etc I don’t know why that would make it more pronounced,and for instance now touchwood lying on my bed I don’t have any pain or anything but I do have uncomfortable and tight pulling sensations specially on my left patella. It feels after I get a pump on my hamstrings., and my thighs and so they both get tight, then my knees excessively come together.

How much is 30 MB of video so I don’t panic when I go a bit over the five minute mark. Also, I’m conscious i could not follow your instructions exactly. I don’t know exactly where to position my iPad so that the camera is waist height and my entire body is in shot. I just had an idea. I’ll move to the study and put it on my desk and see if that helps.

My hips are really feeling it maybe that’s telling me something because I’m getting on and off the floor. I really feel like an old man.:joy: