Realistic TRT Recomp Progress

Still super economical. If you decide to run a blast you will either have to secure from another source or save some of your script for later use.

It seems like a newer protocol to apply twice a day. It makes sense, just as more frequent injections for some do, but I refuse to do it. To me its too big of pain in the ass to dictate my life around if I can swim, shower, sweat and have sex around one application a day so adding another is a no go. I don’t want to have to carry around a tube of cream around with me if I happen to not be home or interrupt something I may be doing when I need to apply either.

I am getting high readings late afternoon though, when I apply around 7:15 AM, so not sure if that is what my issue. Could just be sleep issue but sleep hasn’t changed really. Maybe thyroid. The only issue is I can’t sit down lately in the evenings without almost immediately falling asleep. Driving is bad for me too later in the day. Physically I feel fine just sleepy as all hell and its driving me nuts.

I meant to respond to your question about daily calories earlier, but you know, schizzel got in the way.

I ran your numbers through a TDEE calculator based on moderate exercise and your TDEE came out to 2,900 calories a day to maintain your body weight. If you want to gain some mass, highly recommended, add 250-500 per day and you end up right around what your doctor told you, about 3500.

I would do this gradually.

That’s where I would start and see what happens, tweak as you see necessary.

Nothing new here, but wanted to respond.

I totally hear you, brother. The cream can be a huge pain in the ass. I didn’t like applying twice a day, either. Fortunately I work from home so it was relatively easy, but still rather inconvenient to plan your life around it.

I also would get exhausted later in the day on the cream, but I kinda liked that. I don’t feel the same thing on injections. Just glad I’ve been sleeping through the night for the past week and a half.

Appreciate you getting back to me on this, man. It’s pretty exciting to think about eating that much food, to be honest, though it will definitely be an adjustment, and it may actually be difficult to get that much food down after getting accustomed to 1800 calories (and I’m heavily in favor of clean foods, ate Paleo for a very long time).

Did you mean per day or per week? Daily seems like a pretty rapid increase, and you said to do it gradually, so guessing week. That seems feasible. I’m at 2200 this week and it’s pretty great. So much better than 1800!

Eventual target for daily caloric intake would be 250-500 above TDEE, or 3200-3400 per day. Increase to that number gradually - I’m not sure how gradual that should be because I have never gotten above 195 since I got fit - I was 220 at one point, but then dropped and can’t seem to tolerate weighing more than 195.

How tall are you? Out of curiosity, why can’t you tolerate it? I’ve never been a ā€˜good’ 200 – only healthy and lean at 175ish or fat, sluggish, and over 200.

I’m 6’1", but 55 years old. It’s psychological, lol.

My blood sugar and blood pressure do rise a bit the heavier I get, regardless of body comp. I look decent for my age at 195 and 12-15%.

You look great, man! Nice to still see the veins in the arms, good sign of leanness. What’s the psychological hangup – health or fatness?

Fatness, lol. I was a very fat 220 in college.

That is good to hear that you don’t experience it with injections. Maybe not for you, if you enjoyed it, but it gives me hope. I don’t want to take more meds forever like thyroid. Just weird how it came just lately i had been feeling good for quite a while.

Don’t worry about shbg. Just be healthy bro. Take what your body needs. If you feel great on trt don’t worry about thyroid is my opinion.

Yes exactly and he might need more like 3.

Everyone on creAm I know takes twice a day. It’s a case study that shows the half life. Don’t take twice a day and have big jumps and drops in free t.

You haven’t even realized the benefits of cream Becusse it’s not being dosed right friend.

You think esters are better? They sit in muscle for weeks and process through liver . They have a bigger impact on rbc and hematocrit. Estrogen DHT and feee t ratio isn’t as great.

You really need to understand the benefits of cream. It absorbs directly into your system without having to go through the liver and SHBG isn’t as big a factor either.

Cream is king imo. I haven’t found one person who has said otherwise. Only guys who want to have sex often or don’t have time to apply daily or in am.

Otherwise it’s the boss right now and the science behind it paints the picture.

I’m glad you found something your happy about and works for you man but your not going to convince me it’s king. I have been on cream longer that you have been on TRT I believe, and have felt really good, hence you don’t see me asking for help. But i have minor annoyances. Will injections solve everything i don’t know but I would like to try. Just as others can do really good on injections and have for years I believe I can too, just as others do really well on cream also. Cream was not originally intended for twice a day, as far as I know, as it was meant to more closely mimic our more biological system. It makes sense why it would work better twice a day but i don’t like applying everyday so even if I felt better with twice it’s not worth it to me. To me it is too disruptive.

You sound ignorant man. Go
Piss away your time. I’ll do what makes
Logical sense.

Scrotal cream. Not jsut cream guy.

Ha ha I am on scrotal cream guy. I don’t know why you have such a hard on trying to convince me to stay on it and that it is superior. I find it inconvenient, deal with it, not sure how that is ignorant. Quit pissing your time away trying to convince me. I will do what makes sense to me and my lifestyle and wants, just as you will with yours. You come across as a bad used car salesman with pushy sales tactics and get pissed because I don’t buy.

You never said inconvenient you said no proof and I pretty much have no clue what I’m talking about.

To me that is ignorance.

It shows now that you changed your tone and tune from frequency to this inconvenience.

You use self realized evidence and methods.

I will stick with scientific findings and the clinical experience of docs I’ve been talking to and moderating their YouTube videos.

No my reasoning for wanting to leave cream has always been the convenience factor. I have never argued that injections are superior to cream as I have done well on cream so I would not. Yes I have had some minor negatives but nothing that I wouldn’t expect on injections also. Just as I expect other negatives that I don’t have on cream moving to injections. My eyes are wide open to that. To me there are downsides to both, just which are you more willing to deal with? That is a personal choice. You made yours I am making mine.

I have only argued on things that you have stated with regards to estrogen not being an issue with cream (as I experienced otherwise with labs to show). I countered on what I experienced (so yes self realized evidence which to me trumps studies). You gave me studies and I said why I didn’t agree and that the particular study did not prove what you were saying. I argued on what you stated for absorption rates of scrotal cream and I said why I didn’t agree. You didn’t convince me and I didn’t convince you, it is what it is.

I am not ignorant to learn new things and I went and read your studies you directed me to. I did not debate to just argue, I pointed out flaws to the points given and why I thought they were flaws. If you have more studies to direct me to I am more than open to reading them with an open mind to strengthen your case on any of the subjects we have debated.

Have a good day man.

Well, that escalated quickly!