Do you believe he got that physique on 200 Primo, 200 Deca, and occasional A-bombs? Even if we double it (200 mg/mL Primo and Deca which was not common back then, and not common now with Primo, but is with Deca), that makes 400 Deca, 400 Primo and occasional A-bombs.
I think Lee had amazing genetics for BBing, and whatever he was on doesn’t take away from that (I doubt anyone on T-nation would look anything like Lee on whatever he took).
Ft3 is at the very top of range 
Thanks, brother! You think that would explain the typical low-T symptoms our friend is describing? FT3 is the only one that looks ‘off’ to me. I’m wondering if Cytomel would be enough to fix him up. But I also encouraged him to pursue T if he’d like to. I see no reason not to when you’re 40.
Probably stupid question, but is Primo used in place of a more common base like Test C or Test E?
So, keep a few things in mind. He’s probably discussing his “Cycle”. If you think guys at that level ever came off, you’re delusional. The “Cruise” portion is not discussed, it’s a base that doesn’t change. There are also a lot of other drugs that are not technically AAS that get used. Or, conversely, some guys seem to really be talking about their cruise, and leaving out the contest prep. When Yates give his dose, I’m pretty sure he’s only discussing his cruise numbers.
Does he mean RT3? That was top of range, and will block FT3 from doing its thing (attaches to the same receptors). When your body converts T4 into FT3 it also creates some RT3 (Ignoring the non-free versions here, but there is conversion to those as well). FT3 is like the gas pedal, RT3 is like the brake. When you take cytomel (synthetic FT3) your body produces less T4, and therefore you have less to convert to FT3 (which is okay since you are taking it directly), and less RT3 since there is less conversion.
I believe cytomel is the preferred method if one’s RT3 is high. Taking something like Armour Thyroid will cause conversion to RT3, Cytomel will not, and will actually reduce it.
Oh, he specifically says he came off completely in the off season and relied on food intake to build his physique. The 2 CC’s of Primo and Deca with occasional A-bombs was the contest prep.
I don’t believe him. I was just making a point that the Youtube channel host did state that he believed him because he did not see a reason Lee would lie.
I am pretty sure someone has done it. I don’t think it is a good idea to use something that won’t convert to E2 as a base. You should want some E2 in your body if you want to function close to normally.
LOL. Yeah, okay. I think that less is more and many guys used unnecessary levels for their result, but …
He says 400-600mg Test a week was his guess.
Yikes im looking for the post. He should definitely make his own post so its a focused topic. But yah if thyroid is low you do armor thyroid. Only use cytomel if reverse t3 is high. Otherwise armor is better. My fiancé was on cytomel and dropped her rt3 with diet. She tried amour and she said she feels way better on it versus the cytomel. You will find that many folks report this boost in well being when they switch as well.
If thyroid is totally tanked you will notice that T usually won’t work until thats fixed.
Is the thyroid “tanked” based on TSH + rt3 or are you saying JUST rt3 being fucked is equal to thyroid “tanked”?
Sorry for the thread hijacking! Labs along with my history here:
Anyone else is welcome to join in!
Interesting. What dietary changes did she make?
Lee was a top of his class competitor that would have done anything to win. You have to be to be that big. There’s literally zero chance he didn’t take grams (plural) of gear minimum. He probably took anything he could get his hands on until he found what he responded well to. There’s no chance a guy in a sport where the biggest most defined guy is crowned the winner would take less than his competitors regardless of whether he responded better to the drugs or not.
Low free t3. If Rt3 is high then yah it’s still bad. Anything that means you have heavy thyroid symptoms like fatigue depression and etc
More carbs. More healthy foods and more sleep.
I wish I could get updated bloodwork – haven’t had any since starting cytomel months ago. I also expect my T is very high at the moment. Excited for life to get back to normal so I can find out
I generally agree with you, but I do think some top bodybuilders (like people in general) are more risk-averse than others. Some don’t mind throwing the gauntlet at their bodies in the name of winning, and others obviously still take lots of gear but are also more fearful of dying.
Well this is my demon. My TSH looks good and havent had the other thyroid tests done and I am battling heavy fatigue. Taking Preg and DHEA (which was supposed to fix it based on my limited research). Im wondering if a full thyroid panel would be worthwhile given a lowish TSH. Thanks.