In the end it didn’t even come labeled as Odin it came in a generic looking bottle with a “capsule corp” logo on the side. I dunno. Prob just going to actually be patient for 2 weeks and go through the clinic.
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You could send a few tablets off to Janoshik and check results.
Underdosed, overdosed, who really cares? As long as you know how much you’re taking.
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Yea. Figure in the time that takes I could just get what I know is legit from empower. Might send it off for good measure though
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The problem with Anavar is getting legit stuff. There seems to be the wrong perception about it here. It does not build muscle but prevents muscle loss on a cutting diet, thats it, thats all. Large doses around 50 mg are crazy, you are asking for sides, mild though they are generally indigestion is the first one, not pleasant really.
It really isn’t. Bunk gear gets outed pretty quickly, and sources go upside down following that. I’ve seen ‘legit’ var from the dumbest .com source out there.
Ive got more than one study that says you’re wrong here, but just to entertain your argument… what mechanism differentiates whether an AAS saves muscle on a deficit, or builds it?
Maybe for you, but as a whole? Not really.
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The only part I partially agree with. I get some sides using 48.5mg daily, but at half that I feel great. Don’t get as much strength out of it, but still useful
Yes probably are a few legit sources butbunk gear is very common with anavar. I guess I have been unlucky even with following the best forum advice out there. Anavar is not adequately anabolic enough for muscle building. People use it for cutting as it is muscle sparing. As for how it works, rather like aspirin, no one really understands the complete mechanism of action. Finally in answer to your questions. I am 160 lb, an average weight for most men. We are not talking dosages for heavy weights here are we? A higher dosage does not always result in more gains, 50 mg is too much for most “average” men.
I agree, I had very unpleasant sides at 40mg and backed off to 20mg, there was some benefit but even at that dose I had constant stomach upset and had to stop. Perhaps I had another sample of bunk gear
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If you’re an average sized man, why are you taking gear at all? 
I’m 210 at roughly 12% BF, for what it’s worth.
I genuinely do not think this is true. I’ll concede that it is a subpar muscle builder when compared to the likes of real anabolic steroids though.
I think a lot of people believe it aids in fat loss, which is partially true but not entirely understood. What makes it special over other compounds, though, is that it binds to androgen receptors in adipose tissue. It will only help spare muscle if you are not using any other anabolic as a test base, but it is far from ideal to solo anavar as a male.
Different drugs have different ROI regarding muscle gain for dosing. Many folks are taking many grams of gear weekly and still seeing progress, but I agree that there are diminishing returns. For most, particularly on this forum, higher dose = more gains. Some folks may not fit that mold, I suspect that most do.
The stomache issue you mention is common for most. I anticipated it in myself but am happy to report 0 stomach issues from anavar up to 40mg (would’ve gone for 50 but my supplier only had 20mg tabs and I didn’t want to bother with 60 daily).
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Appreciate the ongoing conversation fellas. Little update. Since I’m impatient and probably irresponsible but also a grown up, I decided to start with what I had on hand (25 mg tablets) while waiting for my appointment with Dr on May 1. Started last Sunday with half a tab in morning half in evening for 2 days then said YOLO and started on 25 morning and evening. I’m not experiencing any noticeable strength gains at all yet but I did a pull day yesterday and my pump was absolutely insane. Was working out with my fiancé and she even commented “damn babe you’re looking really good”
When I don’t have a pump my muscles are noticeably harder than before. My triceps already look a bit different. Zero side effects thus far. No stomach issues, no indigestion. The only concern about the legitimacy of it is that I must be holding water because I haven’t seen 200 on the scale for months and weighed at 200.8 the other day from 196 before I started taking it 6 days prior.
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My many experiences with oral AAS is that it took 10 days to notice strength gains, almost to the day.
BUT… for strength gains, which was my aim at the beginning of every cycle, I never chose Anavar. I might switch to Anavar half way through the cycle, especially for a contest.
BTW, I never started a cycle that didn’t include an oral AAS at the beginning of the cycle
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Right on. Have heard from others they added a decent amount of strength on it. Time will tell.
I am 11% body fat but like all of us here I am trying to improve lean mass, hence my use of a few AAS compounds. I agree Anavar solo is not that effective solo, I was using a testosterone base with it but still ended up with no measurable progress. I too am totally in agreement with diminishing returns with increasing doses but also increasing sides are common with this kind of use, rather like taking two aspirin does not help your headache disappear twice as fast.
For me, Tbol plus Testosterone had a lot more of a wow effect than jut Testosterone solo. Now I was using like 875 mg/wk of Test with 40 mg per day of Tbol, vs 650 mg/wk of Test solo. The Test with Tbol produced strength gains that blew away the Test solo. I also had really round delts on the Test Tbol stack (just more round muscle than normal for me). I was looking pretty lean even at 215 lbs at 5’10", still lots of vascularity.
I didn’t have that experience with Anavar, but I won’t blame the Anavar in this case. To little info to go on. Got the Anavar from a gym buddy, and it could have been fake, or under dosed. I was also on a lower Test dose (325 mg/wk) at the time. I shouldn’t have been using AAS at that point. I was too fat, and my diet wasn’t too good. I was afraid of gaining weight, so strength and muscle gains were likely inhibited by not eating enough. Many like Anavar more than Tbol as their choice for a mild oral, so there is that.
I don’t think the guys that get into the strong stuff usually have a high opinion of either drug. It just isn’t going to compare to Tren, Superdrol, Anadrol, Dbol when it comes to strength gains, unless you mega dose it (which works, but then it’s probably super expensive, and the side effects are comparable to using less of the strong stuff).
Had my call with the Dr today and he suggested 100mg a week of deca instead of the Anavar. Got off the phone and immediately read for a couple of hours. Now I am just more confused lol. Seems like such a low dose but he said I could stay on pretty much indefinitely. So 250 test and 100-125 deca a week sound any better/worse/indifferent than the 50mg Var to you guys?
I like Defy. I go there too, but reading stuff like this has me doubting their credibility. You don’t want to run ANY steroid at any dose long term if you value your health. Even at 100mg you may experience erectile issues and mental health changes.
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Agreed. Not Defy though not that that matters. Aside from that is it worth running for 16-20 weeks?
I don’t know how I read Defy, must have had it on my mind. Regardless you could try it for that period and see how it goes. It didn’t go well for me, but if it’s a successful adjunct I would at least only run it every other quarter and see how the blood look. Bloods wont tell you squat though if you have some cardiac remodeling as a result.
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When you say it didn’t go well, can you elaborate? ED, mood?
Both. Nandrolone takes awhile to build up too so any sides you may not notice for up to 6 weeks and then if you bail it could take equally as long. Despite what others will say at this small dose it did build mass for me as well as make the joints feel great.
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