[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]GhostOD wrote:
This is a really cool thread. Phil harrington is so sick. [/quote]
The fucking guy did a 5’5’’ broad jump from his knees with a 20lbs weight vest on when I was up there. That’s one of the craziest things I have ever seen. [/quote]
That’s so ridiculous, but I completely believe it. He’s Phil Harrington, of course he can do that.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
The residual training effect of reactive/speed/explosive abilities lasts ar most 7 days ater training ceases.[/quote]
Mind expounding on this? Do you mean gains made from this training only last 7 days or some other effect?[/quote]
No, I THINK what he is saying is that you get a speed boost in other training sessions from a reactive session for up to 7 days after said workout. But it also means that in order to maintain or gain reactive strength you need to train it at least once a week, probably more.
Gains made in reactive strength are more volatile than other kinds, but also “permanent” in a sense just like gains in strength or mass…the gains in reactive strength you make over a year or several years will make you a faster, more explosive athlete/lifter for the rest of your career. They do fade faster though without training (like the guy who quits competitive bodybuilding–natural or not-- will have a greater amount of muscle even years after stopping all training…but he’ll lose a lot from his competitive days. Same thing with reactive strength only you lose the “edge” faster).
Unless you’re just naturally explosive. Then I’ll hate you for your gifts :).
Storm please correct me if I am wrong.[/quote]
You are about 90% correct.
Residual Training Efects are the amount of time you retain the improvements of training a specific skill after a period of concentrated loading. Concentrated loading periods can last anywhere from 2-5 weeks and the exact time is totally dependant on the adaptability of the lifter. Once contentrated loading has ceased, you AT MOST 7 days that the gains from explosive/reactive/speed training remain optimal, then they slowly start to taper off. This is one of the main principles behing Block Periodization but if you really think about it, everyones training is built around it. Think about your own training or other training programs you have seen, all of the heaviest, most technical, and most eplosive work is prioritized the last couple weeks before the meet because those effcts last the least amount of time. The rest of training is usually month long cycles or high volume, low intensity work and/or high intensity, low volume. The Residual Training Effects of the working mechanisms for size and strength can last up to 30+ days. Good training programs have all of the skills nessecary to the sport being trained year round just with different emphasis during different periods during the macrocycle.
Does that make sense? I explained it as best I could, if you want a deeper understanding, go get Block Periodization. It’s nuts.[/quote]
I think so. If I understand correctly your talking about application to a maximum lift. So that hypertrophy program/ or basic strength cycle would leave you able to lift max or near max for around 30 days. So if you may be able to taper down those cycles two weeks away from your peak while you would need to make sure the reactive/speed block would have to end within a few days away.
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As long as you are still placing some sort of training emphasis on strength/max efforts but the priority o your training has changed. Say you do a high volume block (hypertrophy/strength emphasis) for 3 weeks followed by a high intensity block (strength/hypertrophy emphasis) theoretically, you would hold on to your size gains for around 30 days after that is not the priority in your training. Make better sense now?
It is a guideline. It is not exact. Look up “Residual Training Effects” there is a shit load o literature out there about it that could explain it better than me. haha.
Well, something is working:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Well, something is working:
Holy fucking shit
[quote]xneverbackdown wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Well, something is working:
Holy fucking shit[/quote]
X2
[quote]xneverbackdown wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Well, something is working:
Holy fucking shit[/quote]
x3
Yes, well done Stb. That impresses me, too.
lol @ that laugh. nj dude.
Nice box jump. What’s it up from?
What’s your vertical jump?
or is this not a relevant measure for your goals?
(My best box jump was 42inches at 260lbs and my vj was 20inches at the same time. My squat was a pathetic 280lbs and my dead 380lbs when I did these jumps - interestingly when I took these numbers up to a mighty 360 squat and 540dead my jumps were about the same or worse, but I was unpracticed with them)
Nice man try to get it posted here, I like the reactive training ideas. I am actually doing a block until i receive a new TPB(nice not twice).
[quote]ros1816 wrote:
@Stormthebeach
Nice box jump. What’s it up from?
What’s your vertical jump?
or is this not a relevant measure for your goals?
(My best box jump was 42inches at 260lbs and my vj was 20inches at the same time. My squat was a pathetic 280lbs and my dead 380lbs when I did these jumps - interestingly when I took these numbers up to a mighty 360 squat and 540dead my jumps were about the same or worse, but I was unpracticed with them)[/quote]
My previous best was 44inches but I only weighed 260. So, I am 32lbs heavier and jumped 3 more inches.
My best veritcal ever was 38. That was while I was still playing football and only weighed about 250. I tested it again not too long ago but before I started incorporating all the reactive jumps and it was still 34inches at around 275-280. It might be a little more now after the last few months of doing the reactive work.
Nothing I do in training is a relvant measure of my goals. The only time I know anything I do in training works is when my numbers go up in a meet. So, we will see if any of this stuff is actually helping my strength when I compete december 10th.
Funny thing about your scenario you described. I have seen that a lot with athletes that I have been around. They get strong as shit, or at least stronger, but speed and explosiveness either does not improve or gets worse. Reactive and explosive strength skills are in the catergory of “if you don’t use it you lose it.” Building absolute strength will help increase these skills but if you don’t train them specifically you will lack the form and neural coordination to disply any improvements. Does that make sense?
Makes perfect sense. I’ll have to keep them in my program. See what I can do in a few months.
What’s most confusing is how you can have a 34 inch vert and a 47inch box jump. That’s a 13inch difference.
As I said in my post my vert was 20inch and my boxjump 42. That’s a 22 inch disparity. Possibly accounted for by the fact that I was landing on the box ATG in poor form - what else could explain the difference???
If you had the same vert-box difference surely you could hit 56inches if you were happy to land ATG and in poor form. What do you think?
[quote]ros1816 wrote:
Makes perfect sense. I’ll have to keep them in my program. See what I can do in a few months.
What’s most confusing is how you can have a 34 inch vert and a 47inch box jump. That’s a 13inch difference.
As I said in my post my vert was 20inch and my boxjump 42. That’s a 22 inch disparity. Possibly accounted for by the fact that I was landing on the box ATG in poor form - what else could explain the difference???
If you had the same vert-box difference surely you could hit 56inches if you were happy to land ATG and in poor form. What do you think?[/quote]
A vertical jump is strictly a test of veritcal displacement. Your ability to set-up, counter move, and move straight up.
A box jump has some horzontantal displacement (if it didnt you wouldnt land on the box) but the objective of the skill is to hit a point below you as opposed to above (like a vert.). Because of this, the your max box height is determined by ver/horizontal displacement, hip mobility, and the ability to actively pull your knees up. So, whatever your veritcal is, you should be able to hit that on a box plus the degree you can actively contract your hip flexors. This is why I like box jumps so much, they are a whole lot more complicated than a vertical.
Some weighted kneeling broad jumps to a tire jump (2 feet to 21inches holding 60lbs). These were pretty tough.
